Lister Engine Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: guest23837 on September 23, 2018, 10:19:59 AM
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Hi Chasingcars, and welcome to the forum where old guy like me hang out once we have stopped chasing girls, reading pornography and getting drunk.
So you have petrol Lister that will only run for about a minute. You have checked the fuel side of things and all is OK. A couple of things spring to mind the first is that a minute of running produces a lot of heat, especially in things like the valves. If the valve tappet clearance is too tight you will start to loose compression as the valves heat and grow in length. Second is faulty high tension lead that can also get warm and fail. Try starting it in the dark, if there is lightening running all over the HT lead replace it.
You don`t tell us which model of Lister petrol engine you have so it`s very difficult to provide any further advice at this time. Just a thought, if the fuel is gravity fed to a carburetor try unscrewing the fuel filler cap, some of these have a breather hole in them that can get blocked, any slight vacuum will prevent fuel flowing to the float chamber.
Bob
Bob I still like getting drunk!
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Hey Jonhdoh, so do I occasionally, I also smoke too much (tobacco not weed). My doctor doesn`t approve of my doing either, keep telling him that giving up all the things I enjoy probably won`t make me live longer, it`ll just feel like longer cos I`m so miserable! :laugh:
Bob
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Hey Bob
I have been using an ecig for the last few years, different addiction but no coughing any more. I'm too old to chase girls and porno seems like instructions to me now and I already know what to do! So it's the shed some Jim Beam, country music and the music of old engines
Paul
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Hey Paul, my Father told me years ago, that looking at porn would send me blind, He didn`t tell me that it would take nearly 60 years. It would be a shame to go blind having never seen some of the finer things in life.
I have looked at and even tried some of the vaporizing ecigs, trouble is I am addicted to Nicotine and the government in Australia has banned the sale of nicotine containing ecigs and vapors. I have a mate who has lung cancer and has given up tobacco products, he has to illegally import nicotine vapor liquid from New Zealand.
Just when you think you are making some progress there is always some government dick head to spoil it for us all!
Bob
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It's like when I turned up at the doctors for my annual inspection, completely knackered and unable to even touch my toes. I asked the Doc what the fudge was wrong with me and he said.........
'Remember the twenty years you hoped to gain through clean living, not smoking, avoiding alcohol and not letting excess sexual activity strain you body'?
i said 'Yep'
He said 'Well, this is them'...........
Cheers
Stef
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It's a bloody lottery, isn't it?
There's sort of a graph/curve/continuum thing with "Longevity" on one axis and "Quality of Life" on the other - and you can kinda have lots of either but not both . . . .
It's like the Maintenance Engineer's standard joke/response to customers: You can have any two of "Good", "Cheap" and "Fast" - as in: You can have a cheap job and it'll be fast, but it won't be good, or you can have a good job and we can do it fast - but it won't be cheap . . . .
Or, as I tell my service customers: We charge $65 per hour for our engineers. Or $100 per hour if the customer is watching. Or $120 per hour if the customer is watching and helping . . .
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eCig juice
Can cause cause the same sort of problems as Popcorn Lung, from the vapors condensing in your lungs. It's pretty much like smoking, but without the carbon monoxide.
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My sister-in-law a 20+ a day smoker keeps telling me how bad ecigs are. They may well cause problems I don't know but I will bet they are better than inhaling smoke. The two groups of people in Ireland that are the loudest anti ecig shouters are cigarette smokers and the smug git "i don't smoke so why would you" types along with the ex-smokers. God preserve me from born again Christians, reformed alcoholics and ex smokers there's no hoor like a reformed hoor!
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Very glad it is legal to import it from NZ cos that is what I have been doing for my neighbor with lung cancer. I order it for him online and pay using my PayPal account, he refunds me the money in cash which my Wife then goes and spends. No good turn ever goes unpunished! :laugh:
The guy mixes up his own vapor medication, it`s a mixture of cannabis extract (which he grows himself) nicotine and industrial ethanol. He`s been sick for a long time and has had many rounds of Chemo, he must be in a lot of pain but he never complains and is always happy. Hat off to him for finding a way to stay positive and happy in a very difficult situation. (in his case it is hat on as all his hair fell out due to the Chemo)
My best advice is don`t smoke it`s expensive. Spend your money on wine, women and song, anything you have left you should waste on paying the bills.
Bob
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Hey Glort, yes it`s a vile disease, I know five people locally with it, two of them are mothers with young children. How their families will cope I have no idea.
Wouldn`t surprise me at all to find that there is a cure that is being withheld for financial reasons. The other problem is that there are really only four killer diseases left: cancer, heart disease, stroke and dementia. Any clinical trial of a successful cancer treatment will show an increased risk of dying from one of the other three diseases. Hence the new treatment will be labeled as causing heart disease, stroke or dementia and may be denied drug administration approval.
I watched my Aunt die of lymphoma, took twelve months. She was in a wonderful hospice near Cardiff, the staff were caring and managed to keep her pain free. I watched her put away a three course meal the day before she died, She was happy and chatty. The following day she was gone. Cancer doesn`t have to be scary or painfull.
Bob
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Bob, it's naive to think that everyone will do as well as your relative with morphine, though that's also the thought of young idiot MDs who haven't seen many painful deaths. Liver cancer is almost always a gruesome, painful death, as with your liver shot, you can't handle the morphine. Likewise anyone with any sort of liver disorder (common in MS). Many people can become utterly deranged on high levels of opiates, having terrifying halucinations yet still in pain. Anyone with brain inflamation/infection will be in pain, as opiates increase spinal fluid pressure and thus increase the head pain. (I'm in that group, and the MS-liver problems group.) In some places, Hospice can use extreme measures and up the morphine until unconsciousness followed by death, but in others, this is not allowed or the staff is too afraid of repercussions.
I am a fan of Hospice, they helped my Dad's ALS exit along though he was begging to go days before, but think that their toolset should be expanded way beyond Morphine, and that anyone should have the right to say "enough" at any time and be assisted with any and all means. At present in the US, they are only allowed to opiate you to death, and sometimes that's a long, drawn out horror show.
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Hey BruceM, sorry to hear you are in the group for which morphine is less effective. There are alternative synthetic drugs now but I don`t know how effective or toxic they are.
In terminal patients it is common practice to slowly increase the opiate dose until it becomes lethal. This is legal as the prescribing physician can show the need for this level of pain relief, a nasty slow way to die.
A much kinder way and one practiced by doctors in my Father`s era, is to prescribe opiates and write "nil by mouth" on the patients chart. Opiates suppress thirst, a patient will usually die of dehydration within three days with out ever knowing they were thirsty.
Bob
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For a maximum of 2 days, Fentanyl does work for me, but by the second day the headache from increased spinal fluid pressure is so bad I'd rather tough it out without. None of the other opiates are tolerable at all. High CBD pot (with only a tiny bit of THC) is much safer and works fairly well and helps me sleep. I don't care for the THC (paranoia) but a tiny bit does help with depression, I'm markedly in a better mood the next day. Alas, with regular use I get bad vertigo so can only use it a few times a month at most.
Modern medicine is pretty damn disappointing when you are forced to be a customer.
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Hey BruceM, my Wife suffers from idiopathic inter cranial hypertension (too mush spinal fluid). She suffered from vertigo, head aches and feeling like her eyes were going to pop out of her head. She has had a couple of lumber punctures to reduce the pressure. She has been OK for over five years since her last drain. Don`t know if this would help in your case, I hope it will, can`t hurt to ask your GP.
Bob
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When I smoked cigarettes I only smoked after sex, I was on 10+ every day...
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When I smoked cigarettes I only smoked after sex, I was on 10+ every day...
You should try sex with a partner next time. Probably be able to cut down on your smoking but have more fun! ;D
Touche!
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Excellent
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Wow Glort, you don`t take any prisoners. Still laughing, sorry Johndoh.
Bob
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Wow Glort, you don`t take any prisoners. Still laughing, sorry Johndoh.
Bob
Walked into it Bob!
Paul
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Hey Paul, thanks for taking this so well, I`m sure it wasn`t personal but hell it was funny.
I suspect Glort may be in need of some appropriate pay back, keep your eyes and ears open!
Bob
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Hey Glort, I think you may have some coming your way but It`ll probably be a couple of days till folks stop laughing. In fairness I smoke a packet a day and don`t remember the last time I had sex, with myself ,the wife or anyone else. Then again I struggle to remember what I had for breakfast. I may have fathered a city full of kids and know nothing about it. Doubt that will stand up in court if CentreLink come after me.
Bob
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Every road has a blind corner somewhere along it's length. I hope to be around one such corner when glort comes along clog buried into the carpet!
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Ah, so if sex between two people is called a "twosome" and sex between three people a "threesome"--------------now we know why people call Johndoh "handsome" :D
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Handsome John has a ring to it.
Think AdeV may have been right to move this thread. He might also be right to remove it before it gets out of hand. No pun intended.
Bob
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I myself have a pretty thick skin plus I know a little of what Glort is like he's actually the type of bloke I like to have a pint with, I'd maybe end up using a shotgun to get him to buy his round.
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Hi all, I'm late to the discussion but since I am newly suspected of having lymphoma I thought I would add my 2 cents as well.
After my brother died a few years ago following chemo and radiation due to stomach cancer I told myself if I ever faced cancer I would try a natural route. Not to bother you with too much detail of my medical history, I have been looking into Rick Simpson Oil on YouTube.
There are loads of testimonies of people healing themselves using this stuff from all sorts of cancer, usually they try it out of desperation after chemo and radiation have failed, they are pronounced stage 4 and sent home to die.
I sure do not intend to go the chemo and radiation route after what my brother went through, and as I told my pharmacist a couple of days ago, if cancer patients were convinced that eating dog poo would cure them, every dog on this island would have a group pf patients following it around. I think she finally got the picture of the level of desperation people feel when facing a gruesome death.
As for me, I will gladly choose Rick Simpson Oil every time over Chemo and dog poo:)
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Guys, guys... helloooooooooooooo
I'm relying on your knowledge... please come back to earth.
I got a Petter and the 12/2 to get straigth.
you know too much to walk with gerontine discussions. what you know is worthless. Of course all machines have an end, including ours. Are not interested in passing this knowledge on to the younger ones? (since Monday I'm fifty).
Now I'm here "on the left side of the moon" and I can not get the knowledge - globally - because www allowed strangers to become known, and even in some cases friends.
Do not you consider the value to have an older engine than I am and to be trying to get it back to life?
I also take tablets for hypertension, + 3 herniated discs, and anything else I still do not know yet.
I still know very little of listers and Petters compared to you. I need your precious help.
I'll stop writing to not steal the poet's license to Glort.
Cheers
Pedrosa
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Guys, guys... helloooooooooooooo
I'm relying on your knowledge... please come back to earth.
I got a Petter and the 12/2 to get straigth.
you know too much to walk with gerontine discussions. what you know is worthless. Of course all machines have an end, including ours. Are not interested in passing this knowledge on to the younger ones? (since Monday I'm fifty).
Now I'm here "on the left side of the moon" and I can not get the knowledge - globally - because www allowed strangers to become known, and even in some cases friends.
Do not you consider the value to have an older engine than I am and to be trying to get it back to life?
I also take tablets for hypertension, + 3 herniated discs, and anything else I still do not know yet.
I still know very little of listers and Petters compared to you. I need your precious help.
I'll stop writing to not steal the poet's license to Glort.
Cheers
Pedrosa
The manuals and information you are looking for are readily available you seem to want them for free thats very different from being unobtainable!
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Pedrosa, a lot of the people who can help you stop reading threads when they turn like thus one has, which is most of them on here these days it seems. Only reason I am here is because I was curious why it got moved. If you care to start another thread asking for manuals I will be glad to tell you where to get them. That way maybe somebody in the future will benifit from thr information instead of it being given here among this crap.
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Hi 38AC
Again you did not disappoint.
And again I repeat that I have had better expectations of the forum. If it does not serve to share information, then what will it serve?
And once again I have nothing to sell, neither manuals, and if I had it, it will already been in pdf to send the one that needed them.
I'll start that treath.
Kind regards
pedrosa
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Now see what you did :police:
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Don't know about extracting the cash with a shotgun but you'd probably need one to get an Ocker to swallow anything decent like Guinness.....
Cheers
Stef
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Now you pretty much come out and berate people for not giving you what you want in the manner you demand it.
It seems to escape you that peoples help here or any other site is VOLUNTARY. You get it great, you don't, well there is no obligation on anyones part.
Do what the rest of us have to do and figure it out for yourself it you can't or are not prepared to find the info you want. It's called learning.
I apologize to everyone if I was misunderstood.
I do not want to force anyone to do anything. The notion I have of the forum is that anyone has more knowledge than I do.
I have no aspiration of arrogance at all.
Understand that the question of potatoes was to begin to adapt to the status quo of the forum, at least I wondered how to break the ice.
I wish a sunny Sunday for everyone.
Pedrosa
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A forum is a means to exchange views and ideas and to discuss and debate issues relative to the members of that forum. It's not a place where people go to simply answer questions or pass on literature it would be a very dull and short lived exercise if thats what it was. A lot of the time you dont need a manual for every job on a stationary they are basically the same so a Lister LD 1 manual will have enough information for you to work on an LD2 an SL1 or 2 etc. If you really need a manual "Internal Fire" has what you need for a small donation or become a supporter and download them all. There are also a few stationary engine sites that sell reprints of manuals for a small fee. To paraphrase Groucho Marx "i did answer your question i just didnt give you the answer you wanted"
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Johndoh
Said that way I take my hat off...
BR
Pedrosa
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Have to agree with Glort again (dammit) Most of those old engines were designed to be maintained by their owner an illiterate farmer/peasant/serf etc with few tools. They are well made and thats half the battle. You do get a feel for how tight a nut or bolt should be as a rule and tolerances aren't near as critical as what the purists tell you.
My first car was a Morris Oxford horrible car that required loads of things being done to it constantly. My second car was a Hillman Imp not a lot better but after 3 months of owning the imp I knew I could do a lot of my own maintenance and I still do. Cars have changed surprisingly little in real terms in the last 100 years especially the mechanical aspects. Diesel engines now have turbos inter-coolers common rails electronic injectors and ecu's but its still a diesel engine.
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Don't know about extracting the cash with a shotgun but you'd probably need one to get an Ocker to swallow anything decent like Guinness.....
Cheers
Stef
Stef, I had to look up Ocker thanks for the new word this forum is indeed educational! I drink bourbon myself!
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my good fellwos
I'm an illiterate. period.
And from what I only remember I asked for manuals - luckily they will have the tolerances and torques - and torque values. I asked for help and opinion. I even asked for an opinion on the design of the alignment of the CAV pump control rod - and no one answered.
I took the finger tight advice ... and then went to see how much lbs / ft was. An improvement...
I would like you to realize that we are certainly on different continents - not to mention countries - and i think you can realise that the price of a part for some can be a bargain, and for me it can be very costly since I have to import it - not to mention in the difference of the economic level between countries.
My friends, I even had great difficulty in buying imperial spanners, not to mention nuts, bolts and everything else whether of British origin.
Have some patience, I am not here to censor you, only to gain knowledge - so you want to convey it.
Have a nice day.
Pedrosa
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So I went on ebay.co.uk and typed in imperial spanners set the destination country as Portugal and viola! loads of people selling imperial spanners and sockets and posting them to Portugal. It's the ebay international postage rate but it's not excessive at about £9.00 QED
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Illiterate regarding stationary engines...
Please Glort, I think thats enough about kicking my ass.
Let's return to the main subject.
Have a nice week.
Pedrosa.
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Glort: Thank you for your concern; I share your views regarding a cure and treatment for cancer.
I wish the best for you and all members here. I will let you know how it goes.
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Willw I hope you get the best treatment you can get. My wife got a letter from the hospital on Friday the third in 3 years. She is on a list to see a rheumatologist and every year they write to her to asking if she has recovered or had treatment somewhere else. You'd have to wonder what the record keeping is like, surely they would know if she had recovered or had treatment elsewhere? They require a reply within 7 days otherwise you lose your place on the list. Ireland is not a country you want to be in if you are unwell.
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my good fellwos
I'm an illiterate. period.
And from what I only remember I asked for manuals - luckily they will have the tolerances and torques - and torque values. I asked for help and opinion. I even asked for an opinion on the design of the alignment of the CAV pump control rod - and no one answered.
I took the finger tight advice ... and then went to see how much lbs / ft was. An improvement...
I would like you to realize that we are certainly on different continents - not to mention countries - and i think you can realise that the price of a part for some can be a bargain, and for me it can be very costly since I have to import it - not to mention in the difference of the economic level between countries.
My friends, I even had great difficulty in buying imperial spanners, not to mention nuts, bolts and everything else whether of British origin.
Have some patience, I am not here to censor you, only to gain knowledge - so you want to convey it.
Have a nice day.
Pedrosa
Illiterate is the wrong word ,maybe agnostic is closer?
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Hi Johndoh
Please, note that I only asked for help, I did not ask for adjectives.
Maybe that's why there are so few regulars.
BR
Pedrosa
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Hi Johndoh
Please, note that I only asked for help, I did not ask for adjectives.
Maybe that's why there are so few regulars.
BR
Pedrosa
I think that statement sums you up perfectly, an illiterate person complaining about adjectives. Agnostic means "without knowledge" BTW.
There are plenty of regulars on here they don't always post on every visit. Your idea of help still seems to be getting copies of engine manuals emailed to you gratis. That doesn't seem to be happening!
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So I must be the one who walks with the right step...
Give me a break!
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What kind of break? arm leg or neck?
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Glort I will defer to your seniority on this site as well as your vocabulary on this matter. All the words I have left start with F and W!
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Mr. Glort
it's not worth getting red with anger! spare your heart for better things.
you seem to have a good fall for statistics, I didn't knew that I participated so much.
I also noticed that the forum is cannibalized - that is, I am the biggest in my neighborhood, but I live alone.
You do not know me from anywhere. Do not adjective. Keep the high level.
The 66 posts, was only to get to junior member status (lol).
I could not read anymore ... it's too long, and too low for my gray hair.
In fact this forum is becoming deserted, by making judgments of character when you do not know people from anywhere - even knowing they have good intention!
Do not worry about johndoh he knows how to defend himself well ... he does not need a tutor (from my point of view).
By the way Glort do you need any help with anything, and that is within my reach?
Encourage that life is two days.
BR
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