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Lister Engines => Things I want to Buy => Topic started by: fallingblock on May 07, 2018, 01:22:27 PM

Title: 2 kW generator head
Post by: fallingblock on May 07, 2018, 01:22:27 PM
Wanted.  A 2kw to 2.5 kw 240volt single phase 2  bearing generator head, preferably 1500 rpm.
United kingdom.
Title: Re: 2 kW generator head
Post by: glort on May 07, 2018, 01:37:19 PM


I'll take a 5Kw version in NSW Australia.
Title: Re: 2 kW generator head
Post by: mikenash on May 07, 2018, 09:31:19 PM


Check these ones out

This is sold in NZ; but I'll eat my hat if it sn't made in China

I'd be surprised if versions of the same thing aren't available elsewhere on the planet

Glort - it'd probably cost bugger-all to ship one to Oz

cheers

https://www.trademe.co.nz/business-farming-industry/industrial/generators-power-supply/diesel/auction-1625468314.htm?rsqid=88fb834aa24a47909a19f3ce508b12ed
Title: Re: 2 kW generator head
Post by: basewindow on May 07, 2018, 11:27:04 PM
Yeah mark me down for one in Oz as well!!! Cant seem to find much over here either.
Title: Re: 2 kW generator head
Post by: ajaffa1 on May 07, 2018, 11:48:40 PM
Yes it`s Chinese. http://www.genfor-power.com/product/html/?32.html
Title: Re: 2 kW generator head
Post by: mikenash on May 08, 2018, 12:36:05 AM


Just as a comment to all that

A while back I imported an ST-type generator head from China

Never used it, in the end

It was a bit of a mission with customs etc - but only time, no real cost

total was about $NZ600 from memory

Quite "do-able"

Cheers
Title: Re: 2 kW generator head
Post by: ajaffa1 on May 08, 2018, 01:06:57 AM
Hey Mike, I thought about importing one a while ago. It would have to come in through either Brisbane or Sydney, trouble is its a five hour drive to Brisbane and seven hours to Sydney. One would think that someone would be importing them commercially but I haven`t been able to find them. Nice little business for someone.

Bob
Title: Re: 2 kW generator head
Post by: glort on May 08, 2018, 11:32:02 AM

If you find some Bob, I can easy take one to Taree for you.  Save you about 3.5 Hours to Sydney.

I have thought about bringing a bunch of gennys  in to resell but I know nothing about importing and don't want any nasty Surprises.
I could bring in some China Diesels at the same time but would want to make sure there was a demand for them and I wouldn't be trying to move them on forever.
I was looking a few vears ago for vertical shaft diesels that would fit Lawn Mowers.  Very hard to get a ride on with a diesel at a reasonable cost and never seen a push mower with one.  There are a few weird looking outboards that are belt driven but I wouldnt be interested in having much to do with those I don't think.
Title: Re: 2 kW generator head
Post by: ajaffa1 on May 08, 2018, 11:53:51 AM
Hey Glort, I wouldn`t know where to start with an import business but how hard can it be? Bunnings do it every day. I have tried to contact Ozlisteroids with regards to generator heads but I think they have pretty much retired. Perhaps this is something we should investigate further. I suspect that people like Dieselgman in the USA know which Chinese suppliers are reliable.

Bob
Title: Re: 2 kW generator head
Post by: mikenash on May 08, 2018, 03:16:10 PM
Hey Mike, I thought about importing one a while ago. It would have to come in through either Brisbane or Sydney, trouble is its a five hour drive to Brisbane and seven hours to Sydney. One would think that someone would be importing them commercially but I haven`t been able to find them. Nice little business for someone.

Bob

Bob those guys in Tauranga might ship you one if you asked?  But I can't believe someone in Oz isn't importing them.  Have you had a google?
Title: Re: 2 kW generator head
Post by: AdeV on May 08, 2018, 09:40:28 PM
Wanted.  A 2kw to 2.5 kw 240volt single phase 2  bearing generator head, preferably 1500 rpm.
United kingdom.

eBay is probably your best bet.

They can be had for £nuppence from China direct, but the shipping kills it (door-to-door, look at £500-750, if you can find a seller who will use a courier; by sea is cheap but you'll have all kinds of aggro when it lands at your local dock, plus around £400 "import charges" (read: official backhanders).

If you've got the money, buying a shipping container full of them would be cost effective (unless you count losing all of your hair, after it turned grey to be a cost too far); then you'll fall down because either they won't be CE marked, or the CE mark will be fake... and you'll lose the lot.


Clarke do a nice unit, available from Machine Mart, but it's a 3000rpm head. Seems to be available in 2.2kva and 6.5kva versions at the moment. The 6kva is probably the better one if you're looking for 2.5kW.
Title: Re: 2 kW generator head
Post by: AdeV on May 08, 2018, 09:46:02 PM
For info, a Chinese 3KW alternator: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/ST-3KW-2KW-1KW-1-Phase-220V-50HZ-AC-Synchronous-Alternator-Generator/32298374993.html

Ignore the £50 postage... it'll be waaay more than that by air.
Title: Re: 2 kW generator head
Post by: mikenash on May 09, 2018, 03:53:33 AM
For info, a Chinese 3KW alternator: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/ST-3KW-2KW-1KW-1-Phase-220V-50HZ-AC-Synchronous-Alternator-Generator/32298374993.html

Ignore the £50 postage... it'll be waaay more than that by air.

FWIW when I bought mine from China the communication was good from the supplier, and they were helpful with the import paperwork.  Sent by sea the freight was $NZ16  Yes, really.  The customs guys was helpful.  There were no customs duties on a generator from China but I paid GST and some import charges or something.  i forget the details cos it was easy and cheap.  Circa $NZ600 all up

I do believe this happy account may be atypical?  But that was my experience

Just saying
Title: Re: 2 kW generator head
Post by: glort on May 09, 2018, 10:19:27 AM

Alli express have generators on their site with shipping.
They come in with private courier companies but I have not yet researched to see if there are any more fees. Reading the site it appears not which makes me wary.  Could be possible though. If they handle all the import Duties and the things are Under $1000 there is no GST.

Some current offers:


ST 10KW/10KVA Single Phase Brush Diesel 1500rpm 50hz ac alternators 220v -Free Shipping to Australia by sea
1 order
Price:
AU $625.40 / piece


ST-5 alternator 5KW/5KVA 220v 50HZ 1500RPM AC Single Phase Brush Diesel Alternator-Free Shipping to Australia by sea
Price:
AU $558.49 / piece


STC-10KW 3 phase brush 10kw alternator 380v 50hz shipping by sea
Price:
AU $630.87 / Set

Shipping:
    AU $77.05 to Australia via



For those that need a bit more Power......

STC-50KW 3 phase brush 50kw alternator 380v 50hz shipping by sea
Price:
AU $1,254.90 / Set

Shipping:
    AU $77.05 to Australia via DHL

Total Price:
    AU $1,331.95

Looking at the prices, may as well go for a 3 Phase 15Kw unit as a 5 Kw Single.
Title: Re: 2 kW generator head
Post by: AdeV on May 09, 2018, 08:36:31 PM
Unfortunately, shipping to the UK is a whole different gether all to twist.

Basically - forget it, it's a nightmare.

Door-to-door shipping works really well, but for anything that weighs more than about 10kg, the price starts racking up something fierce. On top of whatever the port charges you for handling your shipment, you also have to pay VAT (20% of the entire cost, including shipping), and quite possibly an import duty as well (that's added before VAT as I understand it). VAT  is the UK/EU equivalent of GST for you antipodeans. Finally, your shipment may well be rejected because whatever you've bought doesn't have a "CE" mark, which is a certification required by pretty much anything to be imported into Europe (well, any EU country).

It's possible - although unlikely - that the CE mark requirement will cease to be an issue post-Brexit, but since Brexit is likely to end up being "Bre-stay-in-sorta-kinda", I'd not hold my breath.
Title: Re: 2 kW generator head
Post by: ajaffa1 on May 10, 2018, 09:44:20 AM
Hi Guys, Alibaba and ebay have some generator heads for sale but the quality is unknown. There are some businesses in Oz that sell 240 volt alternators but the mark up is excessive. Looking forward to Amazon expanding it`s interests I Australia. Good for the consumer lousy for the retailer, job losses and etc.
Title: Re: 2 kW generator head
Post by: glort on May 10, 2018, 12:10:15 PM

Can't Stand amazon.
Everything I have ever tried to order I have got the " Does not deliver to your country" or whatever crap.
Tried different accounts, different tricks, Never worked.

From what has been said here, the 3 phase heads are better than the singles.
Not sure whether it's better to have a single or 3 phase power in practicality, not a lot of 3 phase loads to run these days but If I get a 3 that does the output I want in single, all good.
Heard a lot about Imbalanced loads but experience leads me to believe it's a lot more beat up than a real concern.

Title: Re: 2 kW generator head
Post by: glort on June 03, 2018, 05:47:06 AM

I found a truck 24V, 80A alternator on the local Fleabay for a tad over $200.

That makes it roughly 2Kw and I have a very nice 2 KW inverter.
I'd really like a Leece Nevile and get one of those external Controllers  ( was that you that did the great paper on those Ade?) but the things are stupid expensive here.

I have never rang truck wreckers to see what they want for used alts because I never figured it would be anything but a waste of time. I fully expect I could get a new one from OS cheaper than the locals will part with one used.
Title: Re: 2 kW generator head
Post by: Johndoh on June 03, 2018, 08:26:13 AM
Stationary engine parts in the UK sometimes have 2 bearing, 1500 RPM alternators and I believe they can get them to order as well. This is good value

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MeccAlte-s16w-90-2-generator-alternator/192452838298?hash=item2ccf15439a:g:Ds0AAOSwqfZafxOt
Title: Re: 2 kW generator head
Post by: Hugh Conway on June 03, 2018, 05:14:27 PM
Then there is this method that was mentioned here on LEF in a different thread. Looks like an inexpensive way to go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se6ceGegUYQ

Also this http://www.utterpower.com/a-free-diyer-generator-head/

Worth a look anyway!
Cheers,
Hugh
Title: Re: 2 kW generator head
Post by: Johndoh on June 03, 2018, 07:44:58 PM
Then there is this method that was mentioned here on LEF in a different thread. Looks like an inexpensive way to go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se6ceGegUYQ

Also this http://www.utterpower.com/a-free-diyer-generator-head/

Worth a look anyway!
Cheers,
Hugh

I saw this a few months ago and I actually checked and you can buy a 4 bolt pillow bearing that lines up perfectly with the holes in the alternator end casing The bearing should be the same size as the shaft too . A taper lock pulley and Robert's your mothers brother
Title: Re: 2 kW generator head
Post by: Hugh Conway on June 03, 2018, 09:45:46 PM
Johndoh, might you have a contact for that adapter?
Good information to have!
Cheers,
Hugh
Title: Re: 2 kW generator head
Post by: Johndoh on June 03, 2018, 09:53:11 PM
Johndoh, might you have a contact for that adapter?
Good information to have!
Cheers,
Hugh

It's just a standard pillow block bearing if you're in the UK you can buy imperial or metric sizes.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UCF204-20mm-Mounted-Bearings-4-Bolt-Square-Flange-Pillow-Block-Bearing-Housing/122687376627?var=&hash=item1c90bcccf3
Title: Re: 2 kW generator head
Post by: ajaffa1 on June 03, 2018, 10:53:20 PM
Mr Hanglands is a very useful mammal. Love his outside the box thinking.

Bob