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Slow Speed Diesel Engines => Other Slow Speed Diesels => Topic started by: listerdiesel on July 03, 2014, 07:32:48 PM

Title: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: listerdiesel on July 03, 2014, 07:32:48 PM
Ruston & Hornsby 1HR, smallest horizontal diesel they made and relatively rare with only 200 or so built from what I have been told.

5.5bhp, nearly half the weight of the 1ZHR and quite dinky  ;D ;D

(http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded25/Image003.jpg)

Bought another Lister S-O-M alternator to go with it, that will be rigged up the same as for the big engine.

Peter
Title: Re: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: ronmar on July 03, 2014, 10:51:12 PM
I think it is time we seriously discuss your addiction...  In the interests of your future health and happiness, I strongly suggest you ship that thing to me:)

That is a great looking little engine. 

Can you put up a video of it running at some point?  I would really like to see it in operation...
Title: Re: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: BruceM on July 03, 2014, 11:03:09 PM
I'll second that;  I'd love to see a video of it running.  The exposed connecting rod is awesome.  What a beauty!
Title: Re: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: listerdiesel on July 04, 2014, 09:29:18 AM
The crank guard is not fitted, here's a picture of a nice one:

(http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded22/Locomotion08.jpg)

Here is the 1ZHR for comparison:

(http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded22/Locomotion01.jpg)

Both taken at the National Rail Museum, Shildon in April this year.

Peter
 
Title: Re: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: listerdiesel on July 04, 2014, 10:30:27 AM
The plan is to build a mini-version of the 1ZHR setup, I have acquired a Lister SOM alternator from the same guy, so just need to get some chassis members together and fabricate a chassis etc etc.

I'll post pictures as we go along.

Peter
Title: Re: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: dieselgman on July 04, 2014, 10:32:31 AM
Gotta love that old British iron! Wow!  :o

dieselgman
Title: Re: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: listerdiesel on July 04, 2014, 11:52:07 AM
Here is another picture of it with the crank guard fitted:

(http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded25/bighrready.jpg)

Peter
Title: Re: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: listerdiesel on July 05, 2014, 08:31:46 PM
Reply from Ray Hooley this morning:

"1HR 288869, rated 5.5hp/550rpm, was sold on 19.1.1950, to Watford Technical  College, Little Cassiobury, Hempstead Road, Watford.

I don't have the erection dates, but it would have been erected towards the end of 1949."

So a 1940's engine by a few days

It is Watford UTC these days, but I have contacted them to ask about any archive material they may have for the engine. Ray has also sent me a package of info.

 Peter
Title: Re: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: contaucreek on July 06, 2014, 11:53:22 PM
Nice engine Peter.
Title: Re: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: honda lee on October 13, 2014, 02:00:31 PM
Hi all, I have found a Ruston Hornsby grain elevator engine from the 1940s used in Canada . It is around 15hp , dirty but in working order as far as I can tell in original unrestored condition. The question is what's it worth or should I say what's a fare price? After seeing what these engines can look like it would surely be the pride of any collection !
Title: Re: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: dieselgman on October 13, 2014, 03:15:26 PM
How bad do you want it? How many people are looking at it? Can you afford the restoration costs? The problem with some rare antiques is that there is no sale history from which to derive a value. I presume it is still in Canada? What will the shipment costs amount to? We routinely purchase truckloads of engines, although rarely just singles... and all above factors must be considered. The starting point is always weight and value of scrap iron... the rest is either market driven, or can be based on other personal or emotional factors. Feel out the seller regarding their own attachment to the piece and make a deal that you are both happy with!

dieselgman
Title: Re: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: contaucreek on October 14, 2014, 11:43:03 AM
Complete engine undamaged 2.5k
Complete engine undamaged stuck 2k
Complete w/Carter rad, pot, receiver 4k

Cdn money

I have access to ALL parts for  17 and 20h HR series elevator engines

Prices are my opinion.......
Title: Re: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: dieselgman on October 14, 2014, 02:43:18 PM
You are talking about pricing on Ruston Hornsby 17 and 20H (horizontals) here? (I actually know very little about the Rustons, and HR also refers to a commonly available Lister model.)
How many of these are available?
How extensive is that spare parts inventory? Is that also located in Canada?

2.5k certainly sounds like a fine starting point for a good complete engine.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: 38ac on October 14, 2014, 05:14:58 PM
Gary,
 Unlike a lister CS there is little practical use for a R-H elevator engines,  the value is as  show engines, and they are darned heavy lumps to haul around. Now that there is one or two of them at any decent sized show guys arent hauling them around like they did 10 years ago and the demand, and price has fallen considerably from the highs of about 10 years ago. Paul's prices are real close IMO. I know of a good runner that is complete, decent appearance and with starting vessel and the guy cant pull $4500. Also know of a complete but stuck one that the owner cant pull $2000.
Title: Re: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: BruceM on October 14, 2014, 05:45:33 PM
Just wondering, 38AC, why isn't it practical to use the R-H engines as a home generator set?  Seems like a nice slow speed diesel...
Title: Re: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: 38ac on October 15, 2014, 02:25:27 AM
First thing is Peter I somehow missed this posting earlier, sorry. That is a dandy engine you have.

Bruce, Have you ever been up close and personal with a 15 or 17 HP R-H elevator engine? They are flat huge as compared to the child's toys we generally talk about here. and not to mention HEAVY and a lot of HP for somebody's off grid set up. Dont get me wrong, I love them and only other purchases and the fact they are easily obtained have kept me from owning one. If there was a practical use they would not be selling dirt cheap I dont think?

 Bob Leonard out in Ill has the 17 HP version made into a nice genset but he is having some real  problems with flicker. Here is Bob's engine set at the Oblong show a couple years ago.
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Title: Re: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: BruceM on October 15, 2014, 02:34:19 AM
I agree,  15-17 hp is way too much. I was thinking of the smallest Ruston, shown at the beginning of this thread and rated 5.5hp.  Perhaps they're very rare.
Title: Re: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: honda lee on October 15, 2014, 04:58:37 AM
Dose anyone know fuel consumption on a 17hp engine?
Title: Re: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: 38ac on October 15, 2014, 03:18:35 PM
I was thinking of the smallest Ruston,   Perhaps they're very rare.


 Yes, and quiite spendy
Title: Re: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: contaucreek on October 16, 2014, 01:14:35 AM
They dont use much fuel at a no load idle.  By taking my main governor spring out I have got my engine down to about 130rpm when its warm.

Gary-my friend has all the ex Saskatchewan Wheat Pool parts inventory, 2 redi racks full, in Canada.
Title: Re: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: listerdiesel on October 16, 2014, 06:13:34 PM
The larger the engine, the cheaper they get.

Very few are used for generation over here as we have a very good National Grid which doesn't really give you a chance to run your own genny unless you are out in the wilds somewhere.

I'm just back from 3 weeks in California, didn't see an engine in all that time.

Peter
Title: Re: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: 38ac on October 17, 2014, 01:50:26 PM
Peter, You should have waited a week to go home and come east to see the fall expo at Coolsping Pa. 

 Went to the Coolspring show yesterday and  here was a small R-H similar to  Peter's for sale. Pretty decent original paint, ran very well. twin heavy flywheels,  $7500 FIRM Owner was asking 10K all summer for it.   If anyone is interested I can provide contact info. Owner/seller is in Quebec Canada. 

Other English stuff for sale
Only Lister for sale was a model D in a sad state of affairs. didnt ask price
 R-H Mark CR elevator engine , bare, no extras looked like it would easily run. 4K
 Huge Crossley town gas engine, didnt ask price.

If a person likes H-D British motive power Coolspring Pa is the place to see it both running and for sale here in the states. Lots of engines on display but not for sale that I did not include here.

Title: Re: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: contaucreek on October 17, 2014, 04:27:02 PM
Jean is a nice guy but his prices run high.
Title: Re: Another Ruston Horizontal Diesel Joins The Fleet
Post by: listerdiesel on October 17, 2014, 09:32:53 PM
Had to come back, our new project is waiting:

(http://www.stationary-engine.net/forum/images/uploaded27/614d1.jpg)

(http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded28/Merc9.jpg)

(http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded28/Merc10.jpg)

It's a 6 ton Mercedes 614D minibus that we are converting to a motorhome or RV in USA/Can terminology.

We have also bought a quite rare Stuart-Turner H series diesel genny that will travel in the back, in the engine bay under the bed.

(http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af108/danhowden/Stuart%20H1%20Diesel/DRH_2014_0827016_zps505b4e34.jpg)

Got to get that ready for Nuenen next year, plus the new Ruston, so going to be busy!

Peter