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Title: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: selmawp on April 05, 2013, 03:35:20 AM
Hi all,
selmawp and I put together a starter and thought we'd share a video of it for you.
I'm (Dennis) doing all the talking on the video but it was my good friend Tony at selmawp that really did all the work and deserves the thanks and credit for making me be a part of his projects. Especially since I'm the one who benefits from his mechanical genius.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2-R_8dRPUo

Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: ronmar on April 05, 2013, 04:00:33 AM
Pretty Slick:)
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: dieselgman on April 05, 2013, 07:43:51 AM
I really like your starter!

For everyone's benefit... Which model Delco is that?  Where did you purchase the 2" rubber bendix wheel?

dieselgman
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: selmawp on April 05, 2013, 07:37:55 PM
Hi, the wheel comes from Fixture Works part # RR-2020-80-EX750 cost $24.45 plus shipping

The starter fits Chevi 70- 95.

If there is enough interest we are thinken of making extra ones.
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: overbore on April 06, 2013, 04:24:13 AM
Put me down for order #1, please, as my lower back is almost not allowing me to walk! Have an 8/1 ; close enough.
Laus Deo
overbore
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: dieselgman on April 06, 2013, 08:50:44 AM
We would have an interest in stocking them as well!
I am guessing, that the starter model would fit the Chevy V-8 engines?
  :)

dieselgman
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: bandmiller2 on April 06, 2013, 12:14:49 PM
Probibly most starters would work,the problem is finding and attaching the rubber wheel to the starter shaft.I still have an old ford starter from the 50's with the bare shaft and no nose,that should be easy.Very good design on the video. Frank C.
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: selmawp on April 06, 2013, 12:51:34 PM
Hi, sorry for not clarifying, I found out yesterday that it is any GM V8.

Hi Garry, we are working on the cost, I will contact you as soon we have them.
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: bschwartz on April 06, 2013, 09:01:44 PM
Please add me to the list of interested parties. 
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: t19 on April 07, 2013, 02:50:12 PM
Im interested as well.. JohnF has a similar set up
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: overbore on April 13, 2013, 03:12:32 AM
What starter relay is suggested, please?? Many thanks, overbore
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: selmawp on April 14, 2013, 09:40:54 PM
Hi every one, the solenoid to use is like the Ford one out of the 70s. Napa part # ST18.
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: overbore on April 15, 2013, 06:39:15 PM
Great info; many thanks and best wishes, overbore
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: selmawp on April 29, 2013, 01:28:43 AM
Hi every one, we finely have some # as in cost of material, the starter will cost $149.00 including shipping. Than for those that like to do the work them self, I have extra material so that you can weld and machine your own nose peace, cost of that will be $30.00 plus shipping. Tony.
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: overbore on May 01, 2013, 03:27:58 AM
Tony, will a mill do or do we need a lathe/ sold mine :'( how about the shaft bushing material=== got some; if so I am in for both. G
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: 2ringers6 on May 01, 2013, 12:44:28 PM
Is the price with starter, or do I have to supply the starter?
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: selmawp on May 01, 2013, 03:32:46 PM
Hi, that is a complete starter ready to mount and operate.
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: dieselgman on May 01, 2013, 09:20:48 PM
Perhaps you could clarify exactly what is being offered... a modified starter with rubber wheel in place of bendix gear... any mounting kit or other hardware involved? Is this built on a new starter body?

dieselgman
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: selmawp on May 02, 2013, 02:47:42 AM
Hi every one, will go to my friend tomorow and remove starter and take some pix. So stay tuned.

Thanks dieselgman.
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: bschwartz on May 02, 2013, 07:37:26 PM
.... also, if you could indicate what your $30 'kit' consists of (a picture or two would be great), I'd appreciate it. 
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: overbore on May 03, 2013, 03:56:36 AM
Had a great conversation with Tony yesterday who said his components should be on hand tomorrow (Friday);  pix to be up shortly. This is a no brainer for the weak back segment--like me  8) 8) 8). Many thanks for bringing this to market and best wishes.
overbore
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: selmawp on May 03, 2013, 04:26:26 AM
Explanation on starter question.

The $149 price is a complete starter including shipping. That is the starter motor with a 2 inch diameter rubber wheel, a manufactured nose piece and two mounting legs welded onto the starter housing.

If you have your own starter motor and want to build the nose piece assembly yourself, the nose piece parts kit is available for $30 plus shipping.

In the attached pictures note that the rubber wheel is NOT included in the nose piece parts kit but is available separately from Fixture Works part # RR-2020-80-EX750 cost $24.45 plus shipping. Also, the bronze bushing which is in the kit, is not shown in the picture.
We hope to get a picture of the complete starter itself on this blog soon. (currently having photo troubles) :(
Lastly, please know that the actual nose piece parts kit will be different from the pictures due to the fact that those were made from scrap metal and was the R&D unit.
 (http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9037&g2_serialNumber=1) (http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9040&g2_serialNumber=1)
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: selmawp on May 03, 2013, 05:17:16 AM
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9052&g2_serialNumber=1)

OK had to use a different computer, so here is a complete starter from our kiss program, the ones that I am going to build will look a bit nicer. Tony.
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: overbore on May 03, 2013, 05:25:21 PM
Stepping up to the plate, I believe your starter is a home run so I am placing an order for the total starter package; please advise where to send the check. Best wishes, overbore
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: TPXX on May 07, 2013, 09:26:07 PM
I'm interested too! Having no machine shop I'd need the finished starter. Can you post close up pictures of how you mounted the starter?
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: selmawp on May 08, 2013, 03:39:07 AM
Hi, will go over to the generator in the next couple days and take some pix.
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: selmawp on May 11, 2013, 06:35:08 AM

Here are 2 pix of the bracket I made ;D. Please keep in mind I was not trying to win a beauty contest. :angel:
still have a problem insurting #2 pix so click on the link to see #2. :'(
:(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9056&g2_serialNumber=1[img])http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9058&g2_serialNumber=1[/img]
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: selmawp on June 21, 2013, 03:37:04 AM
Update On Kiss Starter
Hi all, the ball is finally rolling on production of our kiss starter. Parts that we have been waiting on are finally arriving now. Also things are settling down after an unexpected death in the family. This death of my son caused a huge slowdown of work on the starter project due to new added workloads. We are sorry about the slowdown for those of you who have been patiently waiting for a starter.
We have a picture of an unwelded nose piece we thought we'd share with you.
I machined a spacer jig to help keep the parts true while welding. The nose plate and nose piece fabrication were subbed out to another shop, after which the nose plate went to a third shop for machining.
We hope to have a picture of the completed starter by next week and starters should be rolling off the line before Christmas  :)   :)   :)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9250&g2_serialNumber=1) 
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: overbore on June 21, 2013, 04:06:47 AM
Still in line and thanks for your update. overbore
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: overbore on June 29, 2013, 08:40:18 PM
UPDATE!

A box containing the Production Test starter unit has just arrived.  ;D ;D ;D Plan on updates from me shortly as I open then assemble and install this unit on my 10/1. I think it is a winner for all of us who are concerned about their safety when cranking our units and those, like myself with bad backs, who need the extra help.  :laugh:
Don't laugh-- some day you will also be in your  mid 70's and will be as cranky :o as a new un-bled "Roid".  :P
Thanks, Tony


Laus Deo
overbore
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: overbore on July 01, 2013, 04:21:47 PM
REPLY #22  PHOTO ABOVE SHOWS EXACTLY WHAT WAS IN MY BOX.
This is well designed and heavily constructed unit that shouts DURABLE from any angle,  ;D ;D ;D ;D The mounting ears are about 3 1/2" (outside) apart. The mounting hole(s) are going to be slightly enlarged   to allow a Grade 5 mounting bolt for a single pivot mount.  My arc welder is about 100 feet from the Roid so a weld up is not in the cards but a sliding slot will be made in the 6" base I beam to allow for small  horizontal adjustments before it is bolted tight.  I have the starter push button on hand and my Dodge diesel "donated" older starting batteries for a great power supply of many amps.  This is a huge positive improvement for our units.

Laus Deo
overbore
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: overbore on July 03, 2013, 10:11:06 PM
3 July update: suggested slight mods:
\Hunter (rattle can ) Green to approximate Lister green and a Zerk fitting on the shaft end boss if you do not trust "oiling around" the unit.  How else can I say five stars
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D???i. To order yours, contact Tony Coenradi, 888-595-1110 or snail mail at 200 Davis Creek, Salma, OR, 97538. He is great guy and his starter is superb! 
E-buy is the source I used for my relay and starter button with leads.  Well done, Tony  aka The Flying Dutchman.

Laus Deo
overbore
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: overbore on July 30, 2013, 05:05:50 PM
MOUNTING THE STARTER:

Since there is no info on how to mount the starter, I will paint a verbal picture as grandkids adjusted my video from operating to just above junk  :(.
Materials:
One 8" grade 8 SS bolt X 1/2"
Three nuts and three washers
One 3"X4"X 3/8" scrap angle iron.
4 3/8 angle iron attaching bolts, 1"long and nuts and washers

My base frame is 4" wide X 6" tall so I cut the angle about 7 1/2" long to fit between the oil vent/fill side of the engine and the rear of the gen head adjusting frame. The angle nearest the foot of the engine was cut at a 45 degree angle to clear the engine's foot..

The general plan is to mount the starter motor so the arms are down resting on the grade 8 bolt. A 1/2" hole is drilled into the vertical 3" face of the angle iron.  I then milled the hole vertically about 3/8" up and down to allow for adjustment.

Place one washer on the 8" bolt, extend it fully through the arms and into the slot milled in the 3" face with a washer and nut bearing against the outside face of the angle and then one washer and nut on the inside of the angle.  Move the plate outboard/ inboard as required to a semifinal position making certain that the small bolts  holding the adapter nose on the starter clear the side of the Listeroid flywheel. Clamp the angle onto the large engine frame and readjust as necessary. I used two small C clamps to hold the angle while adjusuting and marking.

Manually crank it over to verify contact and clearances then drill the securing holes through the angle and engine frame.  Tighten and recheck and you are ready to hook electrics and lever arm.  It is a great unit that is simple and reliable.  I highly recommend Tony's unit as a reliable  easy install accessory.

Laus Deo
overbore
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: Hugh Conway on September 05, 2013, 11:43:06 PM

Good afternoon gentlemen;
Re: the friction starter from Selmaswap.
 I ordered one some time ago. It arrived some time ago as well,  looked like a simple and robust unit. I was too busy to do anything with it, so there it sat in my shop. I really have not used the "roid very much........we're off-grid here, plenty of solar in the summer and not all that much need for the generator (Utterpower PMG which works as advertised).
Fall is coming,  with the cloudy days ahead in the Pacific Northwest. A few days ago, figured it was time to do something about the starter, I don't have any welding equipment to fab up a starter mount, but do have some 3" heavy channel aluminum left over from solar panel mounts. Prefect fit into the starter mounting ears. Got it all bolted up and tried a test run this morning........don't have the solenoid, start switch wired up yet so jury rigged a battery hook-up.
Hot Damn! works great......just have to engage the flywheel BEFORE powering up the starter.......otherwise, lots of rubber smoke.
This starter is a simple way to eliminate the hand cranking.........easy in warm weather, really difficult in cold weather for a geezer like myself and impossible for my wife.
Well worth the modest cost. , I may order another for use on another engine I'm buying.
Well done guys, I hope you sell a bunch of these. 

Cheers, Hugh
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: selmawp on September 06, 2013, 05:22:56 AM
Hi Hugh, how about a pix? It would give other people an idea on how to mount the rs.
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: overbore on September 06, 2013, 09:46:31 PM
MOUNTING: See my post above as I set our the specific easy steps using a 8" bolt and nut(s). Fast easy, works and cheap while the starter is superb. 
overbore
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: overbore on September 07, 2013, 07:29:04 PM
If you can not locate a proper bolt, I will send you one for the postage; advise, please.
overbore
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: Tassie on October 14, 2018, 09:11:22 PM
Hi all
Iím new to the forum and hit the jackpot when I discovered this topic. Apologies for reactivating. I realise Iím about five years late to the party but can anyone tell me if the starter kit is still available please? I need this for all the reasons already stated by everyone.
Iím in Australia and will not have the same range of GM starters that you do nor can I source the neoprene wheels here. So appreciate some assistance please.
Thanks and regards
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: BruceM on October 14, 2018, 10:13:45 PM
A wide range of motors have been used for friction drive starters, from induction motors to battery powered electric drills or brushed 12V starter motors to Gast 2AM, 4AM, 6AM air motors.  A Vee belt on the flywheel have also been used. I think no one has reported failure. If you must use a hard rubber wheel, more force will be required so an outboard bearing would be a good idea. 

I have been using a Gast 4AM motor with a small air cylinder for engagement on my remote start Listeroid 6/1.

Find a handy motor and have at it!
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: Hugh Conway on October 15, 2018, 06:44:06 PM
Hello Tassie
The starter motor/ friction starter on my listeroid has not been used for a couple of years. It is still mounted and ready to use though. We installed a 12V golf cart starter/generator belted up the the off side flywheel. This installation has been working  fine for the last 2 years. More expensive for the parts, but easier to operate.
Turn the switch and watch it go. With the friction starter, we sometimes had problems with cold weather starting as mist would freeze on the flywheel........not much use then! Probably that would not be an issue for you there in OZ!
Both methods worked, just that the starter/generator works better in my situation.
Cheers,
Hugh
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: Tassie on October 15, 2018, 07:20:23 PM
Thanks Bruce and Hugh. This has given me more insight as to the options available. More than I had thought. Unfortunately Hugh, I am in a part of OZ where the moisture thing will be a problem. Iím in the cold climate part of the country where winter snow and ice are the norm. Moisture on the flywheel will definitely be an issue at times.
So thanks again for putting me in the right direction. My Listeroid adventure has only just begun.
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: BruceM on October 15, 2018, 10:41:51 PM
Good advice, Hugh.  A small rubber roller on a wet flywheel isn't going to get much friction. I have real winters here at 5600 feet elevation in AZ, but I have a dedicated shed for the Listeroid and it stays dry. 

The 12v starter/charger is a elegantly simple solution, regardless of moisture issues.
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: nato1624 on September 07, 2019, 12:20:56 PM
Hey sorry to restart the post but I am absolutely after the full setup for the electric starter for the CS as we have one but its sometimes rather hard to start and would be much more beneficial to have this electric start shipped to Australia? selmawp can you send me a quote or a reply on how much it would cost to get it shipped to Australia?
Title: Re: our kiss program for a starter on our 10/1
Post by: selmawp on September 15, 2019, 08:44:46 PM
Hi, would love to be able help you, but just finished cleaning my shop and don't have enough parts to make one.