Lister Engine Forum
Slow Speed Diesel Engines => Changfa Engines => Topic started by: Startomatic on November 03, 2012, 01:16:25 AM
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guys, this is something very new from China and unlike the usual single horizontal we are use to, rather this is a compact unit with in built radiator,stepper motor governor, electric start and charging and top with a engine monitoring module. all in a 58kg package. out put is 14KW @3600 rpm.
pics here.
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7578&g2_serialNumber=2)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7564&g2_serialNumber=2)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7568&g2_serialNumber=2)
more update once i got mine in about a month.
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reported to be about 2k a piece in container load quantities, after shipping and handling costs are included.
nice looking engines, but i don't see them making much headway here, because those that import them, assuming the can get epa approval will want to make a profit, so the price it likely to be north of 2 grand a copy.
a bit spendy in my opinion, even though they look really cool
bob g
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Hi Bob,
the EV 80 is EPA certified.
freight cost to the States is always a show killer that easily add another 25% to the cost unless this is ship via container load.
incidentally, the EV 80 is the centennial model for ChangChai during their recent 100 yrs celebration held in 3rd week Oct. they have come a long way. ChangFa is their very youngish offspring.
everything here is in large scale
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7584&g2_serialNumber=2)
and 10 engines in one stroke.
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7581&g2_serialNumber=2)
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man am i drooling over the warehouse pictures of the singles!
i would love a container load of electric start 175's
sadly they are not epa certified
if you are there, see if they have any interest in getting the 175 or 195 epa certified?
if they would do so, i think they would find a strong market for those engine's here in the states.
especially now after the hurricane!
thanks
bob g
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Hi Bob,
Apparently some export guy in Changfa is doing just that. a EPA certified single designated the CF series. with Czech made fuel injection systems, different intake arrangement and was painted in green.
but then again, they are selling like something 7000 unit per week and i doubt they are keen to export.
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7241&g2_serialNumber=2)
every corners i can see is stack with 2 tier high of engines. this is almost diesel engine paradise on earth
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7587&g2_serialNumber=1)
enjoy the pics
swlee
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Wow !
That's impressive.
And...... JiangDong, Changfa, and LianFa all have similar warehouses full of that stuff.
DrooooooooL !
veggie
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Thanks for showing us those, we are all drooling now
And the next shippent is,,,,,?
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Butch, you are welcome. pls see my next post on 175 truck APU. the chinese solution.
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guys,
my unit arrived a week ago. thinking this was the 1st export unit would get the manufacturer some attention....well i was a little wrong. the engine come complete except 7 pin out from 2 sockets in wiring harness.
further correspondences to the factory did not yield any reply as the EV 80 is fresh from the line. perhaps the various depts had not sort out the documentation.
anyway, the impatient me could wait no more. with the stepper motor driven fuel rack removed, i primed the engine and it burst to life on first kick from the starter by manually adjusting the fuel rack. i quickly shut the fuel rack as the pressurized lub fed was spraying oil over the the stepper motor opening. it starts easy without heating assist.
here is the pix. i am thinking of making these engine available to the US of A. let me know your wish lists. i can provide more photo including the innards workings if need be. just give me some time as i am recovering from a bad sinus infection.
teaser photo is here below. full album in http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_itemId=8545
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=8555&g2_serialNumber=2)
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what is the expected retail price here in the states?
bob g
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Looks like a very nicely done package! Can we get them with SAE flywheel housings?
Maybe we should stuff a container along with a batch of alternators! :laugh:
dieselgman
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"all aluminum" What about piston, liner and crankshaft ? Geared cam, belt drive or chain ? interference valves?
And if they are EPA blessed, what about the Peoples Republic of California CARB ? (the same folks who invented the dribble gas can, you can't fit the nozzle in your car tank, sealed air tight, and when transferring fuel, more dribbles on the ground, than into the intended target)
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what is the expected retail price here in the states?
bob g
Bob, the shipping cost will be a real concern for individual engine. i will have to figure a way to circumvent these.
i paid about 300USD from factory to Malaysia on LCL shipments charges.
but i understand LCL shipment is a taboo in US as any co ship consignee if found to flout your importation law, all the rest of the shipments will be returned to the original port.
maybe we could do a group by if there are sufficient interest to fill a contianer load.
lee
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Looks like a very nicely done package! Can we get them with SAE flywheel housings?
Maybe we should stuff a container along with a batch of alternators! :laugh:
dieselgman
Dieselgman,
not sure if the SAE applies to these PTO type of output. but i have seen unit coupled to Leroy Sommer head with just a adapter plate mounted to the engine block, the head has a hollow shaft front end with taper and screw on with a long screw from the rear for single bearing operation. this little engine is rated at 19hp at 3600rpm so shd make a compact standby unit. the speed is governed electronically. either 3000rpm or 3600rpm. there is no option to adjust unless you opt for governor less operation.
i have contacted Marath** and Stamf*** OEM here. we need to sort out some matters before it can be loaded into the container bound for NAmerica. let see.....
i think it could be a right standby unit for the storm inflicted cut out in the US of A where portability is a priority. this engine is not recommended for off grid use as i see it. the single horizonotal or your aircooled Lister would make a far better choice for duty operation.
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"all aluminum" What about piston, liner and crankshaft ? Geared cam, belt drive or chain ? interference valves?
And if they are EPA blessed, what about the Peoples Republic of California CARB ? (the same folks who invented the dribble gas can, you can't fit the nozzle in your car tank, sealed air tight, and when transferring fuel, more dribbles on the ground, than into the intended target)
Mike, with my limited understanding of English (i am a Malaysian chinese) , i hope to answer you correctly.
sorry, my bad. when i refer it as all aluminum, i was just referring to the cylinder head and the bottom block. i may have confused myseld with the automotive industry lingo as my toyota was advertised as a all alu D4D engine. btw, this is a 2.5L common rail, turbo direct injection diesel with 5 micro pulses per firing. thats what the brochure said.
the piston is of course alu. the rest are steel and some plastic parts.
talking about your CARB, goog old Ford of US of A in Malaysia had just introduced a new ranger 4x4 with 2.2 Lit VGT common rail diesel all alu engine and a 6 speed autobox. it has about 130hp and 300kNM of torque. within our highway speed limit of 68.75mph, the engine sings at 1900rpm!
i am beginning to suspect there is some sort of conspiracy thing going on by the auto indistry in not opting for fuel efficent vehicles in your country.
lee
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Those look like a clone of the Yanmar V-twin . Built in both horizontal but mostly vertical shaft configuration for HP lawn equipment applications.
There is a demand for the horizontal twins. Diesel Motor cycle enthusiasts swap the V twin diesel into bikes that used to have V twin gas engines.
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Those look like a clone of the Yanmar V-twin . Built in both horizontal but mostly vertical shaft configuration for HP lawn equipment applications.
There is a demand for the horizontal twins. Diesel Motor cycle enthusiasts swap the V twin diesel into bikes that used to have V twin gas engines.
I have a Yanmar L10. I will post some pix for a side by side size comparison. Not being familiar with big bike or American bike frame, it appear challenging squeeze. Particularly the added radiator.
I will leave that to the master craftmanship within us. Interesting you mentioned the Myanmar v twin, is this water cooled too. The Chinese has the L10 in v twin configuration but air cooled.
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the V-2 diesels put in bikes are air-cooled, popular chinese name was Winsun or Punsun.
4th British Diesel Motorcycle Rally 2008 (http://www.dieselbike.net/BritishRally08/Britishrally08.htm)
this looks like the engine you have, scrolling through all the pictures it looks like at least one person in the United States has purchased one.
light weight water cooled v-twin diesel engine (http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/565912980/light_weight_water_cooled_v_twin.html)
Ohhhhh, interesting, the business located at the address shown on the shipping box in one of the pictures is none other than Thermoking Corporate Headquarters.
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The specifications show it as indirect injection (Swirl pre combustion chamber system) Good for alternative fuels?
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Hello I Just received 4 -EV 80 engines here in Eastern Ontario I,ve put them on kijiji really nicely built units. been translating a german repair manual into English. Of course I ordered extra parts basic stuff ,fuel filters,oil,air, injector nozzles .. also working on a modified wiring for the electronic actuator. fly by wire throttle..
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Hello I Just received 4 -EV 80 engines here in Eastern Ontario I,ve put them on kijiji really nicely built units. been translating a german repair manual into English. Of course I ordered extra parts basic stuff ,fuel filters,oil,air, injector nozzles .. also working on a modified wiring for the electronic actuator. fly by wire throttle..
Is this it, EV80 Diesel engine 20 hp Complete tier 4 epa (http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-other-EV80-Diesel-engine-20-hp-Complete-tier-4-epa-W0QQAdIdZ477697560)?
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Yes it is the same add.
Maxx
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startamatic, can you email me maxx123@hotmail
I know the stepper motor only travels about an inch with the ecu so getting a pulse controller to adjust it. or the Y- manufacture of the ecu and controller I am unable to find anything about them ..
thx
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Not sure I could live with the 3600 rpm tho'. Think I'll stick to my 1500 rpm ST1. We are 50 Hz here.
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Been dealing with John at haige , had the ecu controller and wiring harness for a generator 3600 rpm.. they resent proper ecu and wiring harness for a variable speed control.
it can be controlled by a foot pedal, I modified the wiring to handle a hand controller.
there seems to be no service manual for this . I am using a Yanmar 2v78 manual. this motor is 100% copy.. except horizonal . the electronic wiring I have been figuring out the wiring codes, hope to have for requests , only left with the 3 pin diagnostic to figure out
will be posting engine running on youtube today , ev80 diesel
really sweet sound
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Here is the ev80 being tested
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuhxeLGIX18
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Why anyone would be interested in a 3600 rpm screamer is beyond me. Especially with a dubious pedigree. You would need about 2 acres to mount it somewhere that you could still speak and hear on the property. There are zillions of similar engines already EPA approved which you can get parts for. Again WHY? ???
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Blue,
All diesels running at 3600 rpm are loud, if you saw the video .it was running between 400 rpm and 1300 . this is a exact knock off of the yanmar 2V78 like the Yanmar L100 is the same as the Chinese 186 engines
parts are available.
This motor can be used for anything , motorcycle,boat, garden tractor shit even a generator you can have it run a smaller head at 1800 rpm even 1500 rpm..
Also this engine weight is 56 kg for 20 hp that is light
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Whatever turns you on I guess. Let's see what remains in five years time. :laugh:
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Had the ev80 running found that there are three bleeding bolts to remove air pockets in the cooling system
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Manufactured in the land of almost good enough.
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-buy-sell-other/peterborough/generator/604266067?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
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startamatic, can you email me maxx123@hotmail
I know the stepper motor only travels about an inch with the ecu so getting a pulse controller to adjust it. or the Y- manufacture of the ecu and controller I am unable to find anything about them ..
thx
Odds are that stepper motor can be lifted off the top of the injection pump. Then drop on the governor assembly from the 1990's/2000's real Yanmar version of this engine?
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Thanks for the response . All is good have the proper ecumenicaland picked up electronic hand throttle
I really like it much better then the old governor style . Very consistent in speed.
hook this up to anything ..
with the consistent rpm running a generator would be much better under a load.