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Title: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on September 27, 2011, 06:26:13 PM
Sounds like a couple of us in the USA with engines waiting in England are picking up the ball on that shipment. Any further interest in getting your stuff included? Please respond here and we will try to accommodate. The plan is to fully stuff a container and share the costs. Shipment to be out of Blackpool. We have about half of it full at this time and maybe will finish this out within a month or so.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: br549 on September 27, 2011, 10:47:18 PM
Hello Dieselgman.  Thank you for picking up the ball on the container shipment.  We have a 8/1 som with base and a second set of flywheels that I believe are in Blackpool and we would love to have shipped and get in on this container.  We also may have a 12/2 that we would like to have included.  What is the shipping destination?
Thanks again for following up on this.  Appreciate it.
Terry
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on September 28, 2011, 01:23:03 AM
Shipment destination will depend on the consensus of all the shippers but most likely Kansas City or other central US point from which we can further disperse the load. A lot of stuff is in there for Kansas and for Arizona so the trend is to the West. We do have a few options and are looking for more regarding where to drop and disperse the load. The economics of the situation will likely be the major decision driver in this case. I have a yard with forklifts in central Kansas and also have storage capability there, even if longer term is required.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on September 28, 2011, 04:37:55 PM
Thanks Gary for starting this post,JetPilot had his engine shipped across the pond  already.He will be sending me info on the shipping of his single engine.Looks like I have 9 engines and a few parts the biggest will be the FR2 and the SOM .We do have a mate in the UK that will let us ship parts to his place and he will take the lot to Blackpool for us he has been a BIG help to me by picking up my engines from allover the UK.
THANK YOU ADE!!!!
I think we should be looking for parts and tools as the old Listers have a few Whitworth nuts.
Will try to add a photo of the yard in Blackpool that was taken from google earth. Well forget that, I cant get in to my Lister Engine Gallery GOT IT YAAAA Try and Try and try
Slowspeed

(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=4495&g2_serialNumber=1)
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on September 28, 2011, 09:23:28 PM
What is the address for that yard?

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on September 28, 2011, 11:46:53 PM
Snowdon Rd, Lytham, Lytham St Annes, Lancashire FY8 3, UK

As far as I know
We shoud have 4 engines at this place
Slowspeed
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: DRDEATH on September 30, 2011, 03:36:32 AM
Gary I guess I owe you a world of THANKS. 2011 has not been one of my better years. Every corner has had some road blocks. I guess it is what we learn from the road blocks if it was GOOD OR BAD.  I know there is at least 2 of us and maybe 3 who have engines in Blackpool. It really is not Blackpool but close. I would like to be able to put my engines in there if possible. Please let me know. I know one thing for sure Life is not like a box of chocolate. Unless there is some NASTY chocolate out there. Mike
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on September 30, 2011, 04:02:53 AM
No problems... just email me your details and we will accommodate. This may still take awhile to sort out since we are just starting to compile the necessary information to take the appropriate decisions.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on September 30, 2011, 04:16:04 AM
I almost forgot to ask, Mike... are you referring to the yard at Lytham - Snowdon Rd.? I think Ade will be relieved that we are going to be able to deal with the entire lot that is stored there.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on September 30, 2011, 04:10:10 PM
Hi Gary
When I said we have 4 engines ,I was including Mikes  Drdeath

Hay Mike
I did talk to Gary last week and asked him if we could work on getting this ball rolling,As I had not heard from you.
But by all means your engines will go in this BOX,We still will need a little info from you like the People at the yard in Blackpool.It may be good if you could help out with the guys at the yard at Snowdown find out who will load the Box and at what cost$
Ade will be droping 11 or 12 Engines off at Snowdown soon, he may be willing to help load?
Slowspeed
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on September 30, 2011, 09:56:57 PM
Jeff, I understood you to say you had 9 engines plus some parts... we will get this all listed out and figured soon enough. Thanks for your help.

We will require full detail on each unit regarding engine serial number and age so that I can demonstrate their exempt status on our EPA paperwork.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on September 30, 2011, 11:04:20 PM
I think I have about 9 or so engines lying about the place at the moment, including a couple of doozy's (slowspeed's fr2 genset is, for want of a better word, f'king huge!).

I am currently considering hiring a friend to take all 9 to Blackpool in one trip - he has a bigger HIAB (crane) than me, and his lorry is faster, more comfortable, and less likely to lose bits of its cab: Don't get me wrong, having the crane lorry has (and continues to be) an unbelievable boon, but it really is a dog on long journeys. I'd plan to take the engines when the container is onsite, so I can load them straight in. I had a brief e-mail conversation with Kevin at the yard a little while back, and one thing he doesn't have is covered (dry) storage, so IMHO it would be best to get a container in there ASAP.

Serial numbers I can get for most (maybe all) of the engines. I presume they should, for preference, be drained of oil before being loaded? Any objection if I send the oil I extract to Spencer for his amusement?  :laugh:  :police:

It's great that this project is on the move again - I need the space! On the other hand, the engines have been a great talking point for the weeks/months they've been here.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on September 30, 2011, 11:52:45 PM
Agreed on the serial number recording and providing full engine descriptions, also affirmative on draining all fluids such that no spillage is possible, empty crankcases, fuel tanks, and water jackets are a requirement.

Any ideas about crating resources there Ade? If we can crate and stack, it will make a huge difference in our load capacity and that could become necessary. We normally fit 45 singles in a 20' container but that is fully stuffed and at the weight limits.
Crating can also reduce load damages from rough handling of the container (very likely) and may help us if we have to end up with transloading the container in the USA.

<<snip - off-topic sorry>>

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: BigGreen on October 05, 2011, 02:06:25 AM
I presume they should, for preference, be drained of oil before being loaded? Any objection if I send the oil I extract to Spencer for his amusement?  :laugh:  :police:
LOL I miss ol' Spencer. I hope he is doing well.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on October 05, 2011, 02:29:31 AM
I think he is busy with his projects as ever and posts on the CSOG forum. (Lister CS Owners Group). I read the excerpts often and see a lot of the same discussion as was on here regarding how to get WMO to burn in diesel engines without catastrophic failure. I don't think there is any major controversy involved with the discussions though - all seemed to be the same information going around again. Of course the British seem so proper and well-mannered.

This is of course, way off topic for this thread!  ;)
 
dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on October 05, 2011, 02:33:16 AM

Of course the British seem so proper and well-mannered.


The fuck!

 ;D

Sorry, couldn't resist...
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on October 05, 2011, 02:35:57 AM
Now we don't want to stir up controversy do we????  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on October 05, 2011, 03:35:12 PM
LOL !! and more LOL
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on October 14, 2011, 08:58:35 PM
Well its been a little time  for a solid quote,looks like we have it!
If some one knows about all the add on FEES then add your 2 cents
looks like everyone else is (adding 2 cents or more)
Jeff

Good morning.

Rates are as follows..... (pls note I am waiting on news whether the S.S. Line destination THC is included in the ocean freight rates below - will advise once I receive the reply)



                            20ft                  40ft


Port to Catoosa OK 74015
Freight:             US$ 3450.00    US$ 3550.00
Baf                    US$ 393.00      US$ 766.00
CAF                  US$ 133.00      US$ 190.00
AMS                 US$ 50.00        US$ 50.00



Port to Chase KS
Freight:            US$ 3550.00    US$ 3800.00
Baf                   US$ 393.00      US$ 766.00
CAF                  US$ 133.00      US$ 190.00
AMS                 US$ 50.00        US$ 35.00



Port to Houston
Freight:            US$ 2650.00    US$ 2800.00
Baf                   US$ 393.00      US$ 766.00
CAF                  US$ 133.00      US$ 190.00
AMS                 US$ 50.00        US$ 50.00

Destination charges:

Handling $75.00

Security $25.00

Courier $35.00

Wharfage $59.00 per cont

Customs clearance $165.00

ISF filing $85.00 (complete ISF information required minimum of 72 business hours before sailing)

Duties - at cost based on Harmonized Tarriff # and value

Harbor maintenance, Merchandise Processing fees -  (based on value of goods)

       HMF is 0.125% of value   MPF is 0.21% of value<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

 Customs Bond - at cost (required if Importer does not have a Customs Bond in place)

Customs ordered Exam fees at cost (if applicable)

 


Best regards.

Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on October 15, 2011, 03:12:22 AM
Homeland Security vacis exam is mandatory and ranges from $85 to $250,
Any detention time at the port, or at terminal, or at destination is added, can be $75 per hour, can be $100 per day if problems arise,
Any special handling of paperwork will invoke multiples of the courier and handling fees, it is common if any mistakes are made or if someone fails their duty,
FedEx delivery costs for the various fees that must be delivered to at least 2 of the agencies involved aside from commitments by the broker and agent,

These fees are assuming best case, single bond-single owner, and no customs delays, no delivery problems.

Allow $1,000 extra for the unexpected and you will be in the accurate range of what it actually costs to close one of these shipments.

dieselgman

Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on October 15, 2011, 07:01:44 PM
What are Baf, CAF & AMS? I don't see them defined anywhere, just curious.


I'll try to get a crating guesstimate this week...
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on October 15, 2011, 07:41:28 PM
Ade, I think the crating will only be required for the finished "show" engines. At the rates quoted we will likely go with the 40' and just tie everything down in one layer.

I will have to look up those various acronyms... mostly a lot of shipper jargon to keep us confused!  :laugh:

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: LowGear on October 16, 2011, 04:06:16 AM
What a tragedy that you can't figure out something light to put in the top three feet of the containers.  Free shipping for something.

Casey
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on October 16, 2011, 04:31:09 AM
Well, LowGear, any ideas? What do they have in England that we need over here? All I can think of is more Listers! How about Gold Bullion? - nope that might damage the Listers!  :o

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: Apogee on October 16, 2011, 08:32:15 AM
Don't forget that all lumber must be fumigated and stamped.

I'm sure I could find a Lister powered autotruck or dumper to park in there and then we could load the bed with engines...  Maybe even one of those very cool rollers like the one that went through a couple of months ago...

;-)
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: LowGear on October 16, 2011, 09:49:44 AM
Carpets

Buy n Sells

I'll get back to you in a couple of days.

Casey
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: Startomatic on October 16, 2011, 11:54:31 AM
What are Baf, CAF & AMS? I don't see them defined anywhere, just curious.

Gentlemen,

these are the terms

Bunker Adjustment Factor
Currency Adjustment Factor
Automatic Manifest System

in my country, we now have to pay an additional...EBA....emergency bunker adjustment for export.

Dieselgman, pls consider the weight out capacity of the container. most destination in Asia i am familiar with weight out at 22MT. anything more is a no go and will be subjected to heavy fines.

wish you guys luck in getting your 1st shipment of CS since 1987?
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on October 16, 2011, 02:39:51 PM
Very good point about weights Startomatic. I have already been working on that. We must get the total gross weight within our US road limitations here or we face fairly large excess costs and delays unloading that container at the port. Transloading is no fun, especially for a weird lot like this one. Everything will be handled basically by hand because we will not have the normal tidy pallets and crates that can be quickly handled otherwise. Drayage and warehouse costs can be 1,000s extra.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on October 16, 2011, 05:25:38 PM
We have one more quote that I know of that still needs show up.Its the same place that Mike got a price from about one year ago.
Ade can you get a weight on the 6 engines of mine and any others you have that are going?
I have told shipper that load is About 22,000 lbs (close ?)
Also Ade if you find or have any Whitworth tools that we may need get em ill paypal you we will toss them in.
I did email Mike and asked him to talk to his Mates at Blackpool about loading the box ,no word yet?
 I got all but one with numbers Per your email ADE is that right?

YA fr2 WHAT WAS I THINKEN

 The numbers are as follows (year of manufacture in brackets):
 
The complete start-o-matic is no: 6239 6-1 6 (1956)
The FR2 is: 721 FR2 26 (1976)       
The VA is: 815 VA 10 (1960)
 
Of your 3 plain CSs, only 2 have visible numbers. I'll have a look tomorrow
to see if I can spot the numbers on the flywheel of the missing one.
 
So, the others are:
 
CS45705 (1943)
1873 5-1 3 (1953)
<missing plate> <unknown>
Thanks ALL
Slowspeed
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on October 16, 2011, 05:51:37 PM
We will need them to quote the maximum weights! Do not have them low-balling based on some figure that is guessed! The actual weight could come back to haunt us in the pocketbook! Container tare weight - 40' is likely 10 to 12,000# but I can't remember that figure exactly.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: LowGear on October 16, 2011, 06:24:51 PM
I solicited suggestions for the top three feet of the container and waste chip oil has been suggested.  Still working.

Casey
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on October 16, 2011, 06:33:43 PM
Hilarious!  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on October 16, 2011, 09:34:58 PM
Was looking at the location in Blackpool Snowdon Road, Lytham Saint Annes,We or I have a few engines at that spot.Ade will be taking 8 or so engines to that location.After the box is loaded The LOT will then need to go to Port at Liverpool as I understand it?

This is just some shipping co I found on line google

The Dock
Maritime Centre, Port of Liverpool. L21 1LA
Tel: +44 (0)151 949 6000     

This place is closer to Ades place I think?

Soooo we may want to find a place closer to Ades and Liverpool to do or loading
 Who has Mates close to Liverpool to do our loading someone with a big forklift and strong backs
Just a thought!

Looks like Lowgear has some oil to add to the BOX ???
Slowspeed
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on October 16, 2011, 10:23:26 PM
Engine weights should be available from Lister documentation - I'd suggest that Peter Forbes (listerdiesel, both here & on the Stationary Engine Forum) might be your best source. We can guess heavy for some of the additional bits.

Location wise, yes, Liverpool is closer to me than it is to Lytham St Annes. I may be able to rent enough land where I used to be based to put a container down for loading; we would have access to a fork-lift at that site for no extra cost.

However, I'd like to point out I'm no expert at loading, securing, correct weight distribution, etc. etc. I might be able to find someone who is, but anyone who can offer me any clues as to what sort of person to look for, I'm all ears.

My availability for the next 2 weeks is completely fubar - I'm out of town thu-fri this week & all of next week. Things should be calmer after that.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: listerdiesel on October 17, 2011, 04:11:48 PM
Engine weights are on page 2 of the data sheets:

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/ListerData/spec.htm

or the US server:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/ListerData/spec.htm

Peter
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on October 17, 2011, 05:22:21 PM
Does anyone know what the cast iron Start-o-Matic bases weigh, and the alternators?

Fuel tanks, etc., I can probably weigh accurately enough here, but big stuff is beyond my bathroom scales setup...
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on October 17, 2011, 06:28:11 PM
I've seen figures for the tanks but not the bases and generators... quite heavy little guys I believe!

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on October 17, 2011, 06:38:04 PM
I can just lift a cast base, about 1/2 inch off the floor, for about 5 seconds, which would suggest it weighs about the same as 5 minutes of football or 1.5 miles of hard cycling....  or it might suggest that I'm a feeble weakling who's been driving a desk for far too long.


Q: If I were to use 4x bathroom scales (one at each corner), would the weight of the object be the sum of the 4 readings?
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: carlb23 on October 17, 2011, 07:29:48 PM
why not just stand it up on edge and use one scale?
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on October 17, 2011, 07:41:01 PM
Insufficient capacity in the scale!!! :o

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on October 17, 2011, 08:20:19 PM
Hmm, he has a point....

[five mins go by]

92.4kg is what it weighs :)  That's a cast base on its own.

Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: carlb23 on October 17, 2011, 08:50:47 PM
Insufficient capacity in the scale!!! :o

dieselgman

Most bathroom scales in the US will go to at least 250lbs. 
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: listerdiesel on October 17, 2011, 09:05:18 PM
Base is about 300 lbs, alternator (2.5kVA) about 180-200lbs.

I'll check the SOM data sheets later.

Peter
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on October 17, 2011, 11:18:13 PM
Well, that is considerably less than what I would have guessed! All to the good!

(expected that large iron base plate to be at least 500#)

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: listerdiesel on October 20, 2011, 01:03:46 PM
Shipping weights:

6/1 SOM - 1516 lbs or 682 kgs
8/1 SOM - 1367 lbs or 616 kgs
VA SOM  - 1405 lbs or 633 kgs

All are net weights.

You can extrapolate the rest of the set parts weights from that info.

Peter
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on October 20, 2011, 03:10:39 PM
Thanks for that Peter! These appear to be crated weights.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: listerdiesel on October 20, 2011, 04:09:19 PM
Those were Net weights as noted on my post:

6/1  SOM gross weight packed 1934 lbs or 870 kgs
8/1  SOM gross weight packed 1795 lbs or 812 kgs
VA   SOM gross wight packed  1780 lbs or 805 kgs

Peter
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: potter on October 20, 2011, 05:11:20 PM
Why is the 6/1 SOM more weight than the 8/1 SOM ????? ???.
    Potter
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: 38ac on October 20, 2011, 05:12:31 PM
Why is the 6/1 SOM more weight than the 8/1 SOM ????? ???.
    Potter

 ;D Cast iron piston vs aluminum ;D
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: potter on October 20, 2011, 05:15:13 PM
 Wow 200lb plus ;D piston
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on October 20, 2011, 05:30:42 PM
I spoke to my former landlords earlier - they are receptive to the idea of having up to a 40ft container on-site for 4 weeks (price TBA), which should be plenty of time to load it once the actual inventory is finalised.

There's also an excellent welder on-site who would be able to weld stay bars into the container if required, or hold-down hoops for strapping, etc. There's a fork-lift on-site which, but I don't think it'll fit in the container (the mast is too high), however, I have a pallet truck which could be used to navigate palleted engines into place. I think I can find a source of free pallets too, if someone can clarify the wood fumigation requirements.

Is the crating idea dead in the water now, or do you want me to try to find a crating company still?
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: 38ac on October 20, 2011, 06:03:46 PM
Wow 200lb plus ;D piston

 ;D They are made of a very dense grade of iron.  ;D
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: OneBarfly on October 20, 2011, 07:23:18 PM
I think I can find a source of free pallets too, if someone can clarify the wood fumigation requirements.

Helllo,

The skids would need to the the IPPC markings (pine tree sprig plus other letter or numbers). Read here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISPM_15

If the pallets are so marked (certifying heat treatment and fumigation) then you are good to go. Most newer pallets are compliant, just look for the marks.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: listerdiesel on October 20, 2011, 07:36:34 PM
Why is the 6/1 SOM more weight than the 8/1 SOM ????? ???.
    Potter

Variety of things:

Skeleton Cylinder with studs outside
No compression change-over valve
Ali piston
Possibly ali rocker cover
Different base on the later ones, but still cast on early models

Flywheels are possibly lighter, can't find the details in the changed number book, but I believe that they are the main contributor to the weight difference. As the 8/1 runs faster, and assuming they kept the same pulley/flywheel on the alternator, then the flywheels could be smaller in diameter compared with the 6/1 SOM version.

Flywheels aren't listed in the 8/1 16/2 parts book.

Alternator is also lighter by virtue of revised design.

Peter
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on October 20, 2011, 10:51:26 PM
Ade, the overall stacking idea appears to be dead... with a 40' we will run up against weight restrictions, not volume constraints. For protection, I would still recommend investigating crating for that show engine and any others that are reconditioned and cannot be scuffed or bumped without damage.

And a big "Thanks All" for posting all the helpful information here, there is a lot that goes into shipping these days!

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on October 20, 2011, 11:37:17 PM

The skids would need to the the IPPC markings (pine tree sprig plus other letter or numbers). Read here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISPM_15

If the pallets are so marked (certifying heat treatment and fumigation) then you are good to go. Most newer pallets are compliant, just look for the marks.

Brilliant, thank you! I'll have a look around the pallets I'm already using; there is a company just up the road who sell new pallets, if I can't find any marked pallets I'll ask them for a quote for a bunch of new, treated, pallets.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on October 21, 2011, 12:08:13 AM
Hmm, just a thought....

Rather than pallets, I could get my tame welder to weld studs onto the container floor, each engine could then be firmly bolted down. I know SOM bases will take up to 1" bolts, not sure what a standard CS will take but I can find out; this would probably be cheaper than palleting, and we could pack more engines in - at the expense of making it more difficult to load/unload...

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on October 21, 2011, 12:32:11 AM
We are investigating dropping and offloading the container in Houston (near the port)... a difficult unload will not be too welcome there, and neither is the concept of welding onto a container we do not own. The idea of bolting to the floor is excellent and workable if the container owner doesn't mind. I have hauled gensets this way before with bolts down to the floor - very stable.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: listerdiesel on October 21, 2011, 07:38:42 AM
Steel stillages are also useful, you can pre-fit them with the engines and board the sides if you have small loose bits to ship.

Peter
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on October 21, 2011, 12:03:39 PM
That's a great idea Peter; I can get the welder to make custom steel pallets on-spec, adding sides for the loose stuff wouldn't be too difficult; and I can spec custom sizes for the bigger engines. Steel pallets could be tack-welded to the container floor to prevent movement, it would only take a few moments with a grinder to free them off - the container wouldn't be damaged as a result of that. Best of all, the steel pallets could be sold off for scrap (or maybe even ebay/craigslisted as useful items) at the other end which would defray the cost somewhat.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: Startomatic on October 21, 2011, 12:52:14 PM
i have some pictures of container loading at my works posted by below link.

you can see pic of top/bottom lashing anchor inside the container. we uses 19mm strapping bands. these are rated at 4000kg breaking force.

in one of the pic, we have loaded 2 rows of steel column into the container. each is about 10000kg per row.

we load huge ibeam too and these are well packed with the steel strappings.

hope the pics give you guy some ideas on lashing etc.

http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_itemId=6129
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: listerdiesel on October 21, 2011, 02:32:07 PM
Ade:

You can buy the stillages for far less than you can have them made, we were paying about £10 per stillage for ones big enough to take almost any Lister engine, all we did was to revise the bottom two cross-members so that they matched the bolt hole widths on the engines, then we just drilled holes and bolted the engines in.

The ones I have in mind were stackable as well.....

I've got some pictures somewhere, I'll have a look tonight.

The plastics and window industries use longer versions of these for transporting extrusions.

Peter
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on October 21, 2011, 02:40:10 PM
Ade:

You can buy the stillages for far less than you can have them made, we were paying about £10 per stillage for ones big enough to take almost any Lister engine, all we did was to revise the bottom two cross-members so that they matched the bolt hole widths on the engines, then we just drilled holes and bolted the engines in.

The ones I have in mind were stackable as well.....

I've got some pictures somewhere, I'll have a look tonight.

The plastics and window industries use longer versions of these for transporting extrusions.

Hi Peter,

That would be great - if you've got any contacts for stillages, please do PM or e-mail them over to me so I can make some enquiries. Modifying them is no problem.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: listerdiesel on October 21, 2011, 03:47:19 PM
Go round your local factory estate and ask, there was a load at the local Caterpillar engine plant closure sale, I don't know if all the stuff was sold:

Peaker Pattinson (Auctioneers) Ltd

Catalogue - Formerly Used by Caterpillar Remanufacturing Services Ltd - Auction

Auction is today, nothing in there for us so didn't look at anything.

Might be worth a call to them after it is all over, they might be glad of a bit of clearance.

http://www.ppauctions.com/auction.php?id=47

Peter
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: listerdiesel on October 21, 2011, 05:43:34 PM
Here are three of the stillages (all the same basic type) that we used:

(http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded2/Stillage1.jpg)

(http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded2/Stillage2.jpg)

(http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded2/Stillage3.jpg)

Peter
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: listerdiesel on October 21, 2011, 08:59:11 PM
Re the shipping weights:

5/1 and 6/1 flywheels were 24" and 25" diameter and 3-1/2" and 3-5/8" wide.

Later, the diameter was reduced to 23-5/8".

Peter
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: MikeyT on October 22, 2011, 05:51:11 PM
We are investigating dropping and offloading the container in Houston (near the port)... a difficult unload will not be too welcome there, and neither is the concept of welding onto a container we do not own. The idea of bolting to the floor is excellent and workable if the container owner doesn't mind. I have hauled gensets this way before with bolts down to the floor - very stable.

dieselgman

I would suspect that any "damage" to the container would incur additional (and after the fact) charges. In my (limited) experience, every party involved in these international shipments are looking for ways to charge more than the quoted price, caveat emptor. Additionally, if the engines are going to be transferred to US freight companies for shipment to their final destinations, they really need to be on pallets, as they may be transferred from truck to warehouse to truck along the way, as well as for stability purposes while in transit. Metal pallets would be best, if there is any wood that does not pass the import "smell" test, the entire shipment can be refused and returned to the UK...

Michael
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on October 22, 2011, 07:03:46 PM
Thanks Mikey,

I am definitely in favor of the steel stillages if some can be found for the purpose...

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: hotater on October 23, 2011, 05:01:55 PM
 hotater comes rushing into the room waving both arms....after being gone a couple of years.

Please put me on the list for a 6-1 and pump on a base and I'll go back through the thread and try to catch up.

I'm at  jbelk09 at g mail dot com
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on October 23, 2011, 06:23:04 PM
Hotater
Are you looking for an engine or are you wanting to add your engine in on this shipment?
If you have one to ship
we will need to know the weight and location
Slowspeed
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on October 23, 2011, 06:40:00 PM
We also need serial number and ownership docs for our import paperwork Hotater. Ade is handling the U.K. logistics for us... we do have additional help available there if needed. I am compiling all load requests and paperwork on the USA side - best I can anyway.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: wrightkiller on October 26, 2011, 12:32:23 PM
Dam Jack thought you went toeup....get that house done yet??????? ;D ;D ;D :o :o ;D
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on November 24, 2011, 01:23:07 AM
Latest update on this effort, we are now collecting everything over to Mark Wilkinson's yard in Matlock. Mark has all the right equipment and knowledge to finalize collections and pack the container for us. Ade will be sending the stuff over that he has under his control, and hopefully we can get this finished without too much more delay.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on November 30, 2011, 09:08:28 PM
Well we now have a truck taking engines to Mark so he can get them in the Container >we still have a few engines at Blackpool that need to get to Mark!
Any one in Blackpool up for a little trucking job?
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on November 30, 2011, 09:20:52 PM
Please speak directly with Ade on this! It is my understanding that this is already handled!

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on December 01, 2011, 01:37:49 PM
Just for the avoidance of doubt of anyone reading this thread.... I am not able to move the engines from Blackpool to Matlock.

Jeff- You're more likely to get a response if you put an advert on a website like Shiply (http://www.shiply.com). You'll need the postcode of start & destination, and you'll (probably...!) get all kinds of quotes. Best to specify 4(?) palleted 1/3 ton engines as the load, so that people with tiny vans don't respond.

I have a Shiply account if you want me to look into it?
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: bschwartz on December 08, 2011, 07:02:52 AM
Can I get another engine in the load?  If so, where would it need to be taken (address) and who would I need to get in touch with?  
I'm in contact with someone over there (england) who may free up a project 8/1.
I'll need to get any relevant info to him to see if he can manage it from there.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on December 08, 2011, 02:40:33 PM
There is still ample room in this load.

We are consolidating at Mark Wilkinson's. <<edit- please contact me directly for the address>>

I will pass his other information privately because he has not confirmed 100% to manage all requests and possible convolutions at this time. We are doing our best to contain costs to a minimum. You may pass any requests or details to me - gary@dieselgen.com

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: deeiche on December 08, 2011, 05:28:03 PM


Anyone know somebody in Poland?

If I could find someone to act as a go between with one of the Polish Andoria diesel sales I'd get one of those to England.  However without a direct contact in Poland I'm struggling.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: Jetpilot on December 08, 2011, 08:15:26 PM
deeiche,

I have some friends that are Polish.  I will ask if they can be of any help.  They do still have friends and relatives in Poland, so, send me some info and I will see if they can help.

Derek
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: Jetpilot on December 08, 2011, 11:33:23 PM
deeiche,

I talked to one of our Polish friends.  We need to know where in Poland your engine is so that we can see if they can help.

Derek
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: deeiche on December 08, 2011, 11:55:36 PM
deeiche,

I talked to one of our Polish friends.  We need to know where in Poland your engine is so that we can see if they can help.

Derek
Wow, what an offer.

I can't look at polish websites from work, but when I get home I'll find the item on allegro.pl I am looking at.

thanks again
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: deeiche on December 09, 2011, 02:22:33 PM
deeiche,

I talked to one of our Polish friends.  We need to know where in Poland your engine is so that we can see if they can help.

Derek
Wow, what an offer.

I can't look at polish websites from work, but when I get home I'll find the item on allegro.pl I am looking at.

thanks again
I do not have a specific engine, but I've seen this SILNIK S320 S 320 S-18 ESIOK ES ANDORIA ANDRYCHÓW (http://allegro.pl/silnik-s320-s-320-s-18-esiok-es-andoria-andrychow-i1965351919.html) posted several times.  It is located in Końskie.  I think if I knew what region your friends were located I could try finding an engine for sale in their area.

This one, Stationary engine Andoria S320 2 pieces (http://allegro.pl/show_item.php?item=1985544596) showed up today.  It is located in Kuyavian-Pomeranian province.

If anything my knowledge of Poland is improving.   :)

again, thank you
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: bschwartz on December 09, 2011, 03:49:50 PM
Wow!!! the one with two engines is only about $330 USD !!!
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: deeiche on December 09, 2011, 03:58:08 PM
Wow!!! the one with two engines is only about $330 USD !!!
I think that is per engine, but still qty 1 price is pretty good.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: Jetpilot on December 09, 2011, 05:49:55 PM
Locations sent.  Will let you know as soon as I find anything out.

Derek


deeiche,

I talked to one of our Polish friends.  We need to know where in Poland your engine is so that we can see if they can help.

Derek
Wow, what an offer.

I can't look at polish websites from work, but when I get home I'll find the item on allegro.pl I am looking at.

thanks again
I do not have a specific engine, but I've seen this SILNIK S320 S 320 S-18 ESIOK ES ANDORIA ANDRYCHÓW (http://allegro.pl/silnik-s320-s-320-s-18-esiok-es-andoria-andrychow-i1965351919.html) posted several times.  It is located in Końskie.  I think if I knew what region your friends were located I could try finding an engine for sale in their area.

This one, Stationary engine Andoria S320 2 pieces (http://allegro.pl/show_item.php?item=1985544596) showed up today.  It is located in Kuyavian-Pomeranian province.

If anything my knowledge of Poland is improving.   :)

again, thank you
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: millman56 on December 10, 2011, 07:18:09 AM
There is still ample room in this load.

We are consolidating at Mark Wilkinson's. <<edit- please contact me directly for the address>>

I will pass his other information privately because he has not confirmed 100% to manage all requests and possible convolutions at this time. We are doing our best to contain costs to a minimum. You may pass any requests or details to me - gary@dieselgen.com

dieselgman

To paraphrase, there are knowns and known unknowns. D Rumpsfeld.  Anyway here`s my known remit with regard to the engines at this time, unload and store the engines (the storage is FOC but at the owners risk), attach the engines where required to as yet unsourced steel stillages/transport frames (two of the engines here are attached to wooden frames and may need to be removed per your EPA timber import rules), load the container and secure the contents and prepare the UK export paperwork.   As the various engines and gensets will  require more or less time spent on them I will log time spent on each in order to be fair to the respective owners.     Arranging transport of engines to my yard is fraught with difficulty  the main one being that most folk don`t have access to a forklift to load trucks,  although I have the gear to load and transport engines, people would probably  expect me to compete with pallet firms, travelling 300 miles for $110.00 is not an option for me.  However if anyone wishes to discuss  collection of engines feel free to PM me after 18/12/2011 or SMS to 0114407971536328 anytime.     Has anyone thought of looking into the option of buying a container,  this would provide secure storage at either end and would take the pressure off  loading and unloading, what the resale value is in the US would be the decider for me.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: deeiche on December 13, 2011, 01:49:49 PM
any update

deeiche,

I talked to one of our Polish friends.  We need to know where in Poland your engine is so that we can see if they can help.

Derek
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: Jetpilot on December 13, 2011, 04:50:58 PM
Not yet.  I'm in Oregon today, get back to Texas tomorrow.  I will get with them when I get home.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: deeiche on December 15, 2011, 02:22:05 PM
Wow!!! the one with two engines is only about $330 USD !!!
This one (http://allegro.pl/show_item.php?item=1998881389) was relisted.  With the Zloty getting hammered lately the BIN is < $300.

The thing that concerns me is the paint job.  It looks like they just slapped a new coat of paint over everything, including the manufacturer plate.  I'd rather see an old engine than a fresh coat of paint any day.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on December 15, 2011, 02:37:08 PM
We are not asking Mark to become involved with transport because there are numerous specialised firms to do this for us... contact me directly with these kinds of questions please.

At the present time, Mark W. is providing a collection point and will pack our container once the loose ends are tied up as best we can manage. Unfortunately, these loose ends are far-flung and some of it just becoming known to me.

At all points we are flexible and patient - so that we can achieve the best result for the money invested. Hang in there because this WILL be completed - a lot of money, effort and time has been invested by all involved.

dieselgman

gary@dieselgen.com
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: 38ac on December 15, 2011, 03:18:31 PM
While I don't have a stick in this fire I did recently check out importation of some heavy objects that needed to be crated. Mark is correct in that anything made of wood needs to be removed or fumigated (and stamped) or it will be stopped. BUT Manufactured wood products are excepted from regulation I.E. Plywood. As long as the crates are made entirely of plywood, particle board etc you will be OK.

Link to one site that explains pretty clearly  http://www.oceanfreightusa.com/shipref_wpf.php
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: Jetpilot on December 17, 2011, 02:57:13 PM
My friends couldn't find anybody in the area they knew that would help.  Sorry. :-\

Anyone know somebody in Poland?

If I could find someone to act as a go between with one of the Polish Andoria diesel sales I'd get one of those to England.  However without a direct contact in Poland I'm struggling.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: deeiche on December 17, 2011, 09:58:27 PM
Thanks for the effort

My friends couldn't find anybody in the area they knew that would help.  Sorry. :-\

Anyone know somebody in Poland?

If I could find someone to act as a go between with one of the Polish Andoria diesel sales I'd get one of those to England.  However without a direct contact in Poland I'm struggling.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: cylinderheadnut on December 20, 2011, 06:59:47 PM
HELP the yanks are pinching all our CS's !

don't think your going to get away with it, iv'e alerted the navy, and there sending our new aircraft carrier out to stop you, just as soon as they've built it, yes we haven't got any planes for it, we sold them, but we have a WW1 bi plane from the war museum on standby.



Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: LowGear on December 20, 2011, 08:18:35 PM
Perhaps it's a ploy in code.  Now where is that Rosetta stone that was pilfered out of the middle East some decades ago?

Casey
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on December 21, 2011, 01:41:39 AM
Damn Yanks!  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: veggie on January 05, 2012, 03:53:03 AM
Gentlemen,

Be sure to check the rules. It can be very expensive.
My latest shipment of GM90 Listeroids got stopped at the port in Canada and was deemed to be lacking adequate fumigation.
By import law the whole container had to be immediately fumigated and returned to the most recent port. In this case Shanghai China.
(It went from India to China to Canada)
After an inspection in China it was shipped back to Canada where passed customs, but got seized by the freight company until "somebody" pays the additional $8000 for special fumigation, storage, re-crating, shipping twice more across the pond, inspections fees, and on...and on....and on...

After 5 months I got it resolved and the faulty party is now being chased for the money.

So, unless you want a whole bunch of paperwork, additional fees, and an extra 5 month wait, make sure about the fumigation requirements.

Second item is the wood crating itself.
By US law all incoming wood crates must now be made from specially treated wood with proper numbered markings showing that it is insect resistant.

Check with an import authority and make sure you comply. One option is to not crate at all and leave the engines open for inspection.
Of course this creates additional problems of stability and safety.

Good luck,
veggie



Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on January 05, 2012, 04:02:44 AM
Thanks Veggie,

We are trying to avoid wood crating altogether and using steel stillages for protecting the engines.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: 38ac on January 05, 2012, 03:44:41 PM
Wondered why you had been out of engines so long Veg, sorry to hear that.  By "resolved" I asume you now have the engines but are on the hook for the extra charges? If its any of my business.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: veggie on January 06, 2012, 02:07:15 AM

Hi 38ac,

Actually, I have a good customs /transport agent who arranged all the shipping.
They arranged to get the goods released (after 5months) and they are going after the fumigation/crating company in India for the money.
All engines were pre-sold and have now been sent to their new homes.
That was the last of the Listeroids for me.

There are some parts kits available for all the GM90 6HP & 8HP users out there....
http://www.energymachines.ca/parts1.htm (http://www.energymachines.ca/parts1.htm)

cheers,
veggie
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: harryzx-12 on January 18, 2012, 04:17:47 PM
 It's a shame the epa asswipes regulate the importation of listeroid engines. I wish so much they would disband the epa and fire all the cocksuckers that work for the epa!
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: LowGear on January 18, 2012, 06:21:10 PM
Wow harryzx-12,

You need to stop holding back.  It's hard on your heart and spirit.

I agree that its a shame that small niche people get caught up in regulations that are really written for the GMs and Toyotas of the world.  I do really like the clean air that Seattle has to offer and so there are good side effects of these desperadoes endeavor to ruin your life.

Casey
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on February 03, 2012, 02:42:33 PM
we were rolling along.what happened did we get a flat
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on February 28, 2012, 07:38:02 PM
Is it more then a flat tire?
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on February 29, 2012, 01:52:57 PM
We have about 2/3 of the stuff consolidated for some time now but having a real problem identifying the stuff still at Blackpool and do not have any knowledge nor access to the people in charge there (have never been informed of those details). Perhaps we can call on Ade Vickers once again to help with this issue?

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on March 04, 2012, 03:36:09 PM
Keith B. is now in touch with us... he is requiring confirmation from the owners of that equipment that it can now be moved to Mark's. We do not have an inventory of what is there, nor a current listing of who the owners might be... we will correspond further and determine what can be done to clear this hurdle.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on May 11, 2012, 03:56:51 AM
Good
I will get my list
I have 2 or 3 at Blackpool
Thanks all
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on May 11, 2012, 01:44:28 PM
Still waiting for a listing from Keith regarding Blackpool... this is a confusing mess for us to sort with all the different side deals that have taken place.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on May 15, 2012, 06:04:33 PM
Hello all
I did buy and pay for 1  6/1 from Mark Le Riche
He did take it to BlackPool

Also a 6/1 from a chap named Keath

So Looks like I have 2
 
I will email Mark and see if he has taken others,Mike L may have had him take somthing?
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on May 16, 2012, 02:48:12 AM
We still seem to be stuck on the stuff stored in Blackpool... not certain how to sort that out without someone going there and confirming who owns what - so that it may be released and transferred to our new staging area.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on May 16, 2012, 09:01:22 AM
We still seem to be stuck on the stuff stored in Blackpool... not certain how to sort that out without someone going there and confirming who owns what - so that it may be released and transferred to our new staging area.

Gary - I don't mind popping up there to see what's there, if that's of any use. IIRC Brett(?) has at least one engine there, in addition to Jeff's and whatever Liz bought & had transported there.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on May 16, 2012, 01:41:00 PM
Thanks Ade... that might help us get this rolling again. Exact details and coordination with the gatekeeper there would surely help us understand the rest of the issues. You are now bringing in new names that I have never heard before (i.e. Liz). It sure would be nice for someone to have and share 100% of the details!!!  ::)

Much appreciated!

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: deeiche on May 16, 2012, 02:59:48 PM
Thanks Ade... that might help us get this rolling again. Exact details and coordination with the gatekeeper there would surely help us understand the rest of the issues. You are now bringing in new names that I have never heard before (i.e. Liz). It sure would be nice for someone to have and share 100% of the details!!!  ::)

Much appreciated!

dieselgman
Isn't "Liz",  AKA DrDeath, one of the originals trying to get stuff shipped from England?  If so he seems to have dropped off the board.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on May 16, 2012, 06:19:18 PM
This is an old email from Mike L To Me
take a look
looks like mike may have a VA sitting,  8/1  and a CE, But were?
I see the name Scott ?? and Brett
Brett and I did buy 2  6/1 engines from a Guy JO COBB and we LOST or were robed of or $ :(

Thanks Jeff

   From:    Mike Lisenby <mlisenby.ditchdr@cox.net> Add to Addresses Block Sender
   Date:    Thursday, July 8, 2010 11:58 AM
   To:    mytickets@cox.net, ScCamp02@aol.com, Brett Schwartz <brettschwartz@yahoo.com> Add to Addresses
   Subject:    Fw: motors
   Size:    11 KB
I received this not from Mark. Brett the 500 dollars you sent has been sent to Keith. Also Jeff the 150 dollars you sent is also there. Please let me know how everyone wants to pay for the rest. I would prefer you deal with Mark. I am going to send some more money for a CE I bought from Peter which will be delivered next week or so. Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Le Riche
To: Mike Lisenby
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: motors

Hi Mike,
Have you recovered from your trip?
I can probably deliver the VA and 8/1 to Blackpool towards the end of next week, I'm waiting for you to tell me when the money is with Keith, I understood you were posting it to him and would let me know. I also need to know if he has a forklift so I can load accordingly. Also his phone no. and delivery address.
The VA is ready. I'm waiting for the 6/1's barrel and head to come back from the machine shop. It ran well but wasn't up to full compression so I've had them both skimmed. Once I'm happy with that I'll put the 8/1 on the test bed, I've checked it over, it starts and all is good, I just want to run it up for an hour to make sure. (I'll send Brett a vid then). I'm waiting for parts for the 5/1 but I may be able to offer Jeff another 6/1 and I believe he also wants an 8/1, I'll keep you posted on this and the flywheels.
 I hope the compressor goes for what you want. Did you see that 6/1 SOM go for £600 on ebay? It was a non runner with no main panel! I must go out and find some more before the prices get too high. I think folks are  buying them up as an investment before they run out. Apparently the Brits are also taking them to their off grid holiday homes in Spain.
 Kind regards, Mark.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Mike Lisenby
    To: mark Le Riche
    Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:54 PM
    Subject: motors

    Mark what is you expected time of of delivery? Has anyone got with you and sent you there money? I know Jeff wants the 6/1 you have. Brett wants the 8/1 and Scott wants the VA. Let me know when you plan to deliver. I will forward to everyone. Now if Scott backs out I am going to try to get the VA. I am working on a deal with real diesel in the UK for a CE and 6/1. The CE is a little pricey but I would like a second. I am working 8 hours of overtime a week and it looks as if it will continue till I want to change. This will help with some extra money.
     
    Peter is delivering the CE I got from him sometime in the next week or so. Gary has never sent pictures of the 6/1 SOM I want to get from him. not sure why. If I end up with the VA I will sell the 6/1 when I get it over here. Not very often to get something like the VA you have.
     
    The compressor I bought on the trip I took I put up for sale and I hope it will fetch 3 to 4 thousand. If so things will look pretty good. The company I listed with said it should sell this week. That will make everything easier.
     
    Let me know your plans and I will pass it on. Peace from the US, Mike
    "Don't steal, the government hates competition."
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on May 16, 2012, 07:51:44 PM
Mike's CE is with Mark - I picked that one up, dropped it, broke some bits, still looking for replacements  :(

I presume his 8/1 is with Keith.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on May 16, 2012, 09:19:30 PM
Ade
Thanks for the offer to stop by Blackpool ,that sounds like what we need!
Lets see how Gary feels .You or we  may want to ring first to set this up.Photos and ser.numbers will help
Then we can post an add for a Lori
Cheers Jeff
working on a solar powered swamp cooler today 24 volts driving dc motors (pump and blower)
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: bschwartz on May 16, 2012, 11:33:00 PM
If anyone needs it, I have a receipt from Mark LeRiche with the serial number of my engine that I've been told is at Blackpool.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: deeiche on May 17, 2012, 12:36:50 AM
I hope y'all get this worked out.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on May 17, 2012, 02:49:07 AM
If Ade is willing - lets give him all the information so that hopefully all questions can be settled regarding consolidation of all this stuff. I think his offer to visit and his inside knowledge of these matters may just get us the action we are needing.  :)
 
dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on May 17, 2012, 11:11:02 AM
Right, I have details of Brett's engine, and Terry's engines.

Jeff - can you send me the serial nos. & list of any extras/spare parts you believe are with Keith? I will add them to my list.

I will try to get a hold of LIZ to see what engines he has @ Blackpool. I have a phone # for him somewhere.

If anyone else believes they have an engine at Blackpool PLEASE PM either me or Gary (dieselgman) with details, so I can go over there with as complete as possible a list.


I am still attempting to find a means of getting the money Joe Cobb stole back from him. No joy yet, but I will get there in the end.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on May 18, 2012, 05:58:22 PM
Ade
The info has been emailed to you
Cheers
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on May 26, 2012, 04:57:17 PM
Just got a email from Mark
I asked him to send any info on engines he has taken to Blackpool
   

Mark Le Riche
   Date:    Friday, May 25, 2012 7:08 PM
   To:    ME
   Subject:    Re: Lister 6/1
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Hi Jeff.
The shipping is going a bit slow!
I'm not sure how many engines are left at Blackpool. I've moved some of them
and shipped them direct.
I know one of yours is left and one that belongs to Brett Schwartz.
Keith, the guy storing them, is keen to have them moved as he is now paying
rent on the area they are stored in.
Let me know how you get on.
      Kind regards, Mark.

Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on June 19, 2012, 04:01:20 PM
Well looks like we need to take one more step.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on July 11, 2012, 04:46:01 AM
We have some renewed efforts to get cooperation of all parties...Scott Camp is one of our participants and has been working at getting Keith B. to release his charges (engines at Blackpool). If he is successful in this effort, maybe we can finally get all the equipment in the same place (with Mark W.) and make some headway in final export preps.
Keep the faith!

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on August 10, 2012, 02:45:45 PM
It would be nice if we can get this done before it starts to get cold.I could start  looking at just getting all me stuff shipped,but the cost ???
Thanks All
Jeff
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on August 10, 2012, 04:28:19 PM
Keith not releasing the Blackpool engines... big problem. Here is the most recent email content - as sent by Scott Camp Yesterday I believe.

>>" Keith,
    I had a few phone calls and email contacts with Mike Lisenby about a month ago, but now I can't seem to get him via phone or email. Mike indicated that he sent you additional funds for costs and expenses incurred by you. I am assuming that you received this and still have possession of the engines.
 
    I am trying to get your permission to have the engines picked-up from your location, so that the export process can be started & worked on. Can I let others know that it is okay to arrange trucking and schedule the pick-up of the engines from you at your location? This would involve individuals in the UK contacting you directly. If the answer is "No", then I need to know specifically what you require to change to a "Yes".
 
    You have certainly contributed a large effort to making this possible. There are also many other people involved in this purchasing & shipping endeavor and I am trying to move it along. The engines still being stored at your location have stopped the export process for everyone else.
 
Please let me know if you will release the engines or what must be done to have them released."<<

dieselgman


Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: cashflo on August 14, 2012, 10:01:38 AM
 :o ALMOST A YEAR LATER AND THE CRATES STILL HAVEN'T TOUCHED WATER?
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: LowGear on August 14, 2012, 04:28:56 PM
Has anyone actually seen these engines or the work that has been done to them?

Casey
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on August 14, 2012, 05:04:04 PM
Ade Vickers is the closest we have to hands-on, besides Mark Wilkinson who is going to pack our container. We have seen various pictures, and enough people have had their hands on the process to rule out major foul play... so additional funds are being sent to Keith B. to satisfy some of the extra storage and handling costs. That is just for the engines at Blackpool. Those will have to be moved over to Mark W. for inclusion and then he should have no further reason for delay in obtaining stillages and arranging the container packing.

Bear in mind that some of the people who originally set this up basically dropped the ball, did not inform others of all pertinent details, broke various commitments and did not make any specific arrangements to allow us to pick up the pieces. This is why we are flailing a bit. Some of it expected, and some not. Many, many links in the chain. Keep the faith!

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on September 14, 2012, 09:30:46 PM
It will be cold soon!!Things seem stuck
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on September 15, 2012, 10:34:21 AM
We are still trying to get cooperation from Keith Butcher who has control of the engines stored at Blackpool. It was hoped that with the prodding from one of the owners of those machines that we would have some kind of resolution. He basically refused to deal with me. We have another $1,000 payment raised from Scott to send to Keith for storage fees and the like, but are not planning on sending that until we have some kind of responsiveness to common business practice requests for invoicing and specifics. If we can get these issues resolved with Keith, then on to moving that stuff over to Mark's for final shipment.

"Stuck" seems to be an accurate word for much of this process, but I have not given up nor anything of the sort... it may yet take some hands-on intervention to get the roadblocks resolved though.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: LowGear on September 15, 2012, 07:02:10 PM
So am I the elephant in the room or the emperor?

I shipped three Mini Coopers from the UK back in '75.  I had curb-stoned as a hobby and college fund for the previous ten years.  Gosh, did I learn a lot in five weeks.

I'd want proof of life before I sent any more ransom money.  Like a bad sideways cell phone shot of the engines with a current newspaper in the photo.

Casey
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on October 02, 2012, 08:54:24 PM
Ok, Looks like the ball is rolling!
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: listerdiesel on October 21, 2012, 11:58:16 AM
Well, we sold six Lister diesel engines to a USA resident about 11 years ago, on the basis that he would organise shipping and handling. We committed to taking them down to the shippers on pallets originally but that changed to steel stillages after the US outlawed untreated wood pallets.

Engines were paid for, but they are still sitting here in storage.

You've all got a way to go yet before you beat that delay.

Peter


Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on October 21, 2012, 01:10:58 PM
11 years? Does he still want his stuff?

We are also going to use the steel stillages if we can find them. We have no intention of allowing this to go on much longer... I will take a trip over and collect things myself if I have to.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: listerdiesel on October 21, 2012, 03:21:53 PM
We found a couple of places with them, the best places are those that handle plastic extrusions such as PVC window builders etc etc., they cut down to 3 or four small units.

We bought some and collected from Eastbourne, but you should be able to find them nearer to where the engines are.

Peter
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: LowGear on October 21, 2012, 07:11:41 PM
My wife has always wanted to attend Wimbledon.  And I'm interested in the canal boats.  How about planning a group visit for late next June.  15 or 20 half drunk pissed off Yanks might just do the trick.  OK, I'm almost 70 but I can still fart really bad use words like "shazamm".

It's when I'm joking you know I'm at my most serious.

Casey
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on October 22, 2012, 03:54:21 PM
June  Humm
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: millman56 on October 22, 2012, 07:36:47 PM
My wife has always wanted to attend Wimbledon.  And I'm interested in the canal boats.  How about planning a group visit for late next June.  15 or 20 half drunk pissed off Yanks might just do the trick.  OK, I'm almost 70 but I can still fart really bad use words like "shazamm".

It's when I'm joking you know I'm at my most serious.

Casey
      Hi you 15 or 20 pissed off Yank`s , we`re shakin in our boots over here, even with our world class farting team......  I have obtained some steel stillages which will hold 1 CS single or 1 FR1,  these require a little modification to enable the engines to be bolted down.   The SOM sets and FR2 set will require something larger or even bolt some angle iron to the undersides to enable FLT handling, I will email Gary and enclose some photos of the stillages with a couple of my engines bolted on, for some reason I can`t seem to put them onto my gallery or attach photos to this post.     

Just to make it clear, your shipment is not being held up in any way by yours truly and my hospitality is stretching as far as storing some of your engines inside whilst some of my gear is under  tarpaulin.

Mark.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on October 22, 2012, 08:21:40 PM
Mark
 Thank you for keeping the engines under cover.I too have a shop and find that having other peoples stuff in my way is not,  Ahhh well you know!!! the best use of my space.
So again Thanks.
As far as the farting goes .Its best if you put it in a bottle and feed it in to the Lister it will burn.Between the US team and the UK team we should be able to make some good shit.
This yank has no anger. Just a ton of  patients .And a ton of iron in your yard.
Could we put 2 stillages together to mount the fr2 and the SOM
Looks like the hold  up is getting our last 3 or 4 engines out of the Blackpool spot and dropped off at your place


Just added a link so you can see the 2 engines I have with  Keith B.  by Blackpool  
http://s196.beta.photobucket.com/user/abs-1/media/lister61MarkLarichie550.jpg.html?sort=6&o=20
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: millman56 on October 22, 2012, 08:48:50 PM
Slowspeed,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  not sure on widths etc but if they fit you would need 2 of these stillages per SOM or FR genset,  I think your FR and SOM would be fine with 2 pieces of 3" X  3" angle bolted shortways through the holding down boltholes,  this would enable forks to get underneath,    I have enough wit (only just) to enable me to position things in a container in a way that would avoid transit damage so don`t worry about them not being enclosed by a stillage.      One thing to be considered is that some of the engines/SOMs have wooden (possibly not EPA compliant)  trolleys/skids, are these to be removed prior to shipment ?

Mark.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on October 22, 2012, 10:55:53 PM
Thanks Mark,

We seem to be getting a little closer to resolution on some of this stuff... I will post those images later on when I get some time.

I will ask customs about the wooden trolley frames and whether those pose an import problem for us or not. That is a good point and we appreciate your eyes on the ball, so to speak!

dieselgman

Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: mobile_bob on October 22, 2012, 11:55:01 PM
you might ask customs if they are ok with using old tires as spacers in the shipment
old tires are easy and cheap to find, and they fill in spaces that would otherwise allow stuff to shift
around in transit.

i threw a bunch of old tires between crates and machines in a container i shipped from washington to kansas, they did a great job of padding and kept things from getting beated up while bouncing around.

just a thought?

i don't think there are any bug issues with tires, like there would be with wood?

fwiw
bob g
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: cgwymp on October 23, 2012, 01:48:18 AM
i don't think there are any bug issues with tires, like there would be with wood?

fwiw
bob g

I presume these will be in a container and not open on deck? Asian tiger mosquitoes (which are thoroughly evil little buggers) came over here stowing away in used tires. Not sure anything quite so nasty would come from the UK, but one never knows... ;-)
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: listerdiesel on October 24, 2012, 07:16:34 AM
Here are the stillages that we bought, we had the bottom cross-bars removed and re-welded in place to match the engine mounting hole spacings:

(http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded6/ListerShip1.jpg)

(http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded6/ListerShip2.jpg)

(http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded6/ListerShip3.jpg)

(http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded6/ListerShip4.jpg)

(http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded6/ListerShip5.jpg)

The 16/2 is in a stillage, I don't have a picture of that one.

You'll get an idea of what space is available by the different engines in them.

Peter
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on October 24, 2012, 10:16:11 AM
Stillages at Mark Wilkinson's

(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7538&g2_serialNumber=2)

(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7541&g2_serialNumber=2)

(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7544&g2_serialNumber=2)

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on October 24, 2012, 05:53:47 PM
Some one please take me away from my putter
cant stop looking at all the engines that Mark, and Peter have sitting about
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: millman56 on October 24, 2012, 11:09:02 PM
 Just some old Dursley junk laying about,   the pallet on which the two CS engines are on is what we call a euro pallet and it meaures 48" X 32,"  a complete SOM set fits on one easily. The stillages are ex Kubota engine cradles with some parts removed then a couple of lenghths of flat iron drilled and welded on,  they make a very stable platform  and give some measure of protection for the flywheels and other bits whilst allowing close packing at floor level.

Mark.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: listard-jp2 on November 06, 2012, 01:17:09 PM
^ Thats quite ironic using ex-Kubota engine stillages for a lister CS engine. With minimal modification those stillages look almost as if they were intended for that use.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: millman56 on November 08, 2012, 08:41:43 PM
Yes indeed, from the land of the rising sun to the land of not much sun, its a fair bet that Mr Kubota didn`t expect his 2012 rice grinders to be replaced by these 60 + year old lumps!!! 

Mark. 
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on November 19, 2012, 07:48:44 AM
Update on English container...

Mark Wilkinson has now quoted us a price for moving and consolidating the equipment in Blackpool. He wants 700 GBP for that portion. Keith will allow the stuff to be moved after payment of 650 GBP in additional storage fees. After that we will have everything in one place and Mark will figure out the stillages and packing costs for us. A little light at the end of the tunnel.

I will note here that a big thanks is due to Mark for his assistance and patience with us. He is not asking for storage fees on equipment already moved to his place at this time assuming that this does not drag out much further.

We are still waiting for full clarification of what exactly is being moved vs what Mark already has... that clarification may not come until Mark actually goes over and takes stock at Blackpool. We have not been successful so far in obtaining that information from any other source. So it goes. Not to original plans or expectations at all - progress none-the-less.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on November 20, 2012, 05:01:05 PM
700 British pounds sterling = 1114.1900 US dollars
For holding 2 of my engines  and one of Bret Schwartz
Here go the fees  :-\
Just need to know how much is my part of them??
Thanks Jeff
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on November 21, 2012, 12:30:02 AM
Keith was holding 9 + engines for all this time. Further details once Mark gets them collected. I am sending them a little over $2,000 to get this rolling again.

The fees are unavoidable unless we go over and do it ourselves.

As I understand it you have quite a few engines in this pot slowspeed!

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: millman56 on November 22, 2012, 04:04:25 AM
700 British pounds sterling = 1114.1900 US dollars
For holding 2 of my engines  and one of Bret Schwartz
Here go the fees  :-\
Just need to know how much is my part of them??
Thanks Jeff
                                                    Jeff, I am charging you zilch for holding your engines, the 700 GBP  was quoted for moving  12 engines as I understood at the time.   Just to put things in perspective, what do you think are my chances of hiring two men in the US to drive 93 miles on choked up roads, hump 4 lister engines onto a trailer drive 93 miles back, unload them and do this 3 times  for 1114.1900 USD ?     A rocket scientist would probably say that even with your low fuel prices  I might stand more chance of flying to Mars.                                                                                                                                                                                         Any costs thus far are not of my making and please bear in mind that Gary and myself are picking up the pieces of a fragmented  buying spree.

Mark.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: bschwartz on November 22, 2012, 02:01:00 PM
Mark, Dieselman, etc...
I can't begin to tell each of you how much I appreciate your continued efforts in this long project.
I got into this a long time ago through Dr. Death (Mike).
When he fell off the earth, I thought the $1000 I sent him for my engine (was supposed to include shipping too) was just gone.
Then, you guys all stepped in to pick up the pieces.
I'm gonna owe you guys a bunch more money for all of your work storing,moving, packing, crating, shipping etc, but in the end I may finally end up with my Lister.

Please let me know who I owe how much. 

Ultimately, this is going to be a much more expensive engine than I had budgeted for, but it's too late to back down now  :) :)

Thanks again for all of your continued hard work!!!!
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on November 22, 2012, 03:16:22 PM
Mark and I will do our level best to keep further costs to the minimum, and get this project completed. Yes, everyone involved will have to bear their fair share of the unexpected costs. I do not believe it is anything too far out of range for obtaining some rare Dursley iron in the USA though.

Just a little heads-up on the actual shipping and import costs as well: Recent enforcement of a number of US Homeland Security and Border Protection policies has the potential of greatly increasing those costs. Our last container and also small pallet coming through the process via New Jersey have been charged basically double the normal and customary expected fees. It seems there are potential extra exams and delays involved at every turn and we have no control over what the paper-pushing bureaucrats choose to do to us. Perhaps it won't be so bad through a Gulf-Coast port as it is on the East-Coast, we can at least hope!

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on November 23, 2012, 02:52:35 PM
Sorry Mark
As you will note from all my previous post.It was my understanding that there only 3 or 4 engines that had to make this 93 mile trip from Blackpool,
I see now that you have your work cut out for you making 3 trips
As my kids say MY BAD!
Cheers
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: listerdiesel on November 24, 2012, 10:41:27 AM
I guess that's why the engines we sold to the USA are still sitting here waiting.

Shipping and clearance costs are way higher now than they were 10 years ago, what looks like a sweet deal starts to go sour when the freight and handling costs go through the roof.

I could have sold my 10/2 twin a dozen times over, but the shipping costs killed it.

Now, as of this past week, we may have something happening that is of some interest:

Our friend in California who we stay with regularly is getting organised with his two Austin A40 Sports cars that we have in storage here (as well!)  He is looking at getting those shipped over to Oakland in a 40' container next year, and there will be space/weight for extra stuff. Not sure how much we'll have, and I'm not taking any bookings, but make a note that it may be coming up as an option.

We had a long chat about things last night, and things will start to move this and next week.

I'll post some more when we both know how and when, but he is pretty much intending to go for it.

Peter
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: millman56 on November 25, 2012, 09:28:34 AM
Sorry Mark
As you will note from all my previous post.It was my understanding that there only 3 or 4 engines that had to make this 93 mile trip from Blackpool,
I see now that you have your work cut out for you making 3 trips
As my kids say MY BAD!
Cheers

No problem Jeff,  one of the things that I have learned through a couple of trips to the US and conversing with Americans is that while  we share a  language  semantics differ,  this can often lead to misunderstandings    (which you don`t want when taking afternoon tea with badass gunslinging dudes from the wild west  ;D) .   

Mark.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: listerdiesel on November 25, 2012, 09:46:50 PM
First part has fallen into place, Tim has picked up another A40 Sports in Las Vegas, so the shipping of the two we hold here is almost 99% going to run.

Next part is getting a bigger place to hold all of this stuff.

Peter
 
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on December 12, 2012, 02:58:38 AM
Mark has collected 9 units from Lytham (Blackpool), here are photos of what he now has ready to go including serial numbers.

(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7880&g2_serialNumber=2)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7884&g2_serialNumber=2)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7887&g2_serialNumber=2)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7890&g2_serialNumber=2)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7893&g2_serialNumber=2)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7896&g2_serialNumber=2)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7899&g2_serialNumber=2)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7902&g2_serialNumber=2)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7905&g2_serialNumber=2)

What do you think guys? A light at the end of the tunnel?

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: RJ on December 12, 2012, 02:57:59 PM
Have all the engine been spoken for? I see what appears to be a lister CE in there....

-Randy

Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: bschwartz on December 12, 2012, 03:29:30 PM
YOU JUST MADE MY DAY!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

The second picture with the heavy flywheels is mine.

Thanks for posting that picture!!!!

-Brett
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: RJ on December 12, 2012, 03:32:25 PM
all those flywheels look pretty heavy to me  ;)


YOU JUST MADE MY DAY!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

The second picture with the heavy flywheels is mine.

Thanks for posting that picture!!!!

-Brett


Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on December 12, 2012, 03:58:57 PM
As far as I know, all engines are spoken for. We will fill out the container if any space or weight margin is left over.

It will be helpful for us if all owners will contact me with their full details at this time so that we have a very firm handle on what is to be done with all involved engines from here forward.
gary@dieselgen.com

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on December 12, 2012, 06:22:20 PM
As far as I know, all engines are spoken for. We will fill out the container if any space or weight margin is left over.

It will be helpful for us if all owners will contact me with their full details at this time so that we have a very firm handle on what is to be done with all involved engines from here forward.
gary@dieselgen.com

dieselgman

Bagsy I the twin, if no-one else claims it :D
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on December 12, 2012, 06:31:44 PM
Gary and I get to split the Twin  ::)
Ade ,you had a good look at my engines,if you would or could tell me if I need to add some parts to the BOX so I can make my engines runners?
Cheers Jeff
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: RJ on December 12, 2012, 10:34:52 PM
Well perhaps when the time comes whomever bought the Lister CE would be kind enough to send me their contact information at some point.

Thanks

Randy

Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: deeiche on December 13, 2012, 01:18:58 AM
did DRDEATH have any of these?  or did he just initiate this, before he disappeared?
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on December 13, 2012, 02:34:54 AM
Lisenby had several, but they have either not shown up or I simply do not know all of those kinds of details at this time... there is enough weirdness to this whole transaction to give anyone second thoughts.

What I do know: the actual total costs are going to be dramatically different (higher) than what was originally promised, some folks have lost their investments due to the protracted and convoluted entanglements that have ensued. This includes myself unfortunately. We will endeavor to keep the remainder of this transaction as simple and low in total cost and free of further risk as is practical.

Our process at this time is simply, round up everything we can find, identify it by serial number and assign it to its rightful owner, assess total costs and apportion according to volume and weight.
Get the container stuffed and shipped to America as soon as we can manage it. We are almost at the stage of getting our load manifest and export paperwork put together now.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on December 13, 2012, 09:12:23 AM
Gary and I get to split the Twin  ::)
Ade ,you had a good look at my engines,if you would or could tell me if I need to add some parts to the BOX so I can make my engines runners?
Cheers Jeff

Hi Jeff,

Lots of elbow grease mostly.... a couple of your motors are probably best used as parts donors - e.g. the one from Norfolk that was full of seashells... clearly it had spent some time on the sea bed. You will mostly be wanting cooling tanks/radiators I suspect, you have 2-3  fuel tanks. You'll need some injector lines and general fuel line stuff, banjos etc., but unless you're hell-bent on using Dursley original stuff, you can get all that cheaper out there in the States.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: deeiche on December 13, 2012, 02:43:32 PM
I don't have a horse in this race but from the grandstands I have to say,  what you've accomplished so far is above and beyond what anyone else was able to accomplish.

If you had control of this process from beginning to end are you considering doing something like this again?  You probably have the best understanding on what it would take to make it a profitable business venture.

Lisenby had several, but they have either not shown up or I simply do not know all of those kinds of details at this time... there is enough weirdness to this whole transaction to give anyone second thoughts.

What I do know: the actual total costs are going to be dramatically different (higher) than what was originally promised, some folks have lost their investments due to the protracted and convoluted entanglements that have ensued. This includes myself unfortunately. We will endeavor to keep the remainder of this transaction as simple and low in total cost and free of further risk as is practical.

Our process at this time is simply, round up everything we can find, identify it by serial number and assign it to its rightful owner, assess total costs and apportion according to volume and weight.
Get the container stuffed and shipped to America as soon as we can manage it. We are almost at the stage of getting our load manifest and export paperwork put together now.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on December 13, 2012, 03:26:23 PM
Quote
deeiche

I don't have a horse in this race but from the grandstands I have to say,  what you've accomplished so far is above and beyond what anyone else was able to accomplish.

If you had control of this process from beginning to end are you considering doing something like this again?  You probably have the best understanding on what it would take to make it a profitable business venture.

I have done this before and will likely do it again, with different circumstances of course. As long as there is demand and shortage, or imbalance in the world, there will be those enterprising souls who will pursue unlikely avenues to get things done. On my last English shipment, cooperative with others, I spent $8120 total to procure and deliver 3 Lister CS models to Kansas. Two of these were SOM setups, so very heavy (almost 1,000Kg each). We paid fairly high prices for barnyard stuff, but mostly just very costly logistics to move around and ship. If I had to do it again, it would be with some English travel and hands-on inspections ahead of time. Better logistics planning within the USA would also have helped reduce our total costs. This stuff is just awkward - and expensive - to deal with.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: deeiche on December 14, 2012, 05:41:35 PM
dieselgman

thanks for the info
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on December 15, 2012, 01:02:06 PM
Next installment... These will also be going into the container as far as we can determine at this time... please identify any that are yours!

(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=8192&g2_serialNumber=2)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=8195&g2_serialNumber=2)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=8198&g2_serialNumber=2)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=8201&g2_serialNumber=2)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=8204&g2_serialNumber=2)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=8207&g2_serialNumber=2)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=8210&g2_serialNumber=2)

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on December 15, 2012, 04:59:45 PM
I'm pretty sure the CE is DR Death's (if it's the one with the broken nose).

That VA sure looks familiar too - are these all from Blackpool? If not, the VA is the one i spent 3 days digging out of an outhouse with a crowbar and some castor wheels... man, what a job that was.

The 1/2 pallet of parts are Jeff's.

--------

OK, I recognise most of these:

1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th & 6th pics are Jeff's (slowspeed) - I know, because I picked all of those up. That FR2 genset, I nearly lost that just north of Carlisle, I was so tired I dozed off on the M6, just for a couple of seconds luckily... needed a coffee & some fresh britches after that one I can tell you...

7th pic is Dr Death's CE

4th pic (the Lister on a trolley) belongs to Joseph Gilmartin.

As far as I can remember (please someone correct me if I'm wrong), all the extra fuel tanks belong to Jeff, I don't think there were any water tanks in the pile, maybe 1?


Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: millman56 on December 15, 2012, 07:03:54 PM
3 days with a crowbar and some castors? a bit over equipped I think, 3 days is what happens when a 6`6"   computer programmer tries to do a mans job ;D ::)  .  All this batch are from your storage delivered to me by semi trailer with mounted crane. 

Mark.

Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on December 15, 2012, 07:19:13 PM
Sounds about right
Need to add the 2 that Ade picked up from Andy !(the one had red spokes )
That was the trip you took Way South.You Moved 6 engines for me
http://s196.beta.photobucket.com/user/abs-1/media/lister61MarkLarichie550.jpg.html?sort=6&o=20
And Mark got 2 of mine from Black pool
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on December 15, 2012, 09:05:32 PM
3 days with a crowbar and some castors? a bit over equipped I think, 3 days is what happens when a 6`6"   computer programmer tries to do a mans job ;D ::)  .  All this batch are from your storage delivered to me by semi trailer with mounted crane. 

Hah - you wouldn't say that if you saw the maths involved......

Hmm

Anyway, It had to come off a slab that was cast in place (so the concrete in the centre of the base was up to 4" higher than the surrounding concrete... the entire building was maybe 4' by 6', the engine sat in one corner with about 4" clearance either side. It was a mare. Oh, and it had to be unbolted from its base and turned 90 degrees just to get through the door.

It'd better bloody work after all of that!

Jeff - you're right, 2 more from Haverford west. I might have the serial numbers somewhere, can't find them just now.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: LowGear on December 16, 2012, 01:18:19 AM
OK.  I've regained consciousness.  You're reporting that many of the long dreamed of engines have arrived in the US?

Casey
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on December 16, 2012, 03:00:08 AM
Ade I added a photo of the small room that you had too pull the VA out of
Check the link above
Cheers

-----------Mark --- Ade had to fight the dog to get the VA out  :laugh:
http://s196.beta.photobucket.com/user/abs-1/media/listervaDog_zps09943a8e.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1


-------
Just added a youtube of the FR2 running SWEEEEEEEEEEET !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHOXxe39yQw
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: millman56 on December 16, 2012, 05:58:18 AM
Jeff,  I know Ade would have had a struggle, just arriving at Quarnford merits a medal also I know he has a sense of humour (British) so even though the joke may be lost on you I`m sure he had a chuckle.

Mark.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: millman56 on December 16, 2012, 06:06:10 AM
A photo of a dog a shed and some cylinders proves nothing  ;D
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on December 16, 2012, 02:28:44 PM
Jeff,  I know Ade would have had a struggle, just arriving at Quarnford merits a medal also I know he has a sense of humour (British) so even though the joke may be lost on you I`m sure he had a chuckle.


Ironically, it was only 6 miles from your place.... seems daft to have taken it all the way to Liverpool & back again...
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on December 16, 2012, 02:34:55 PM
There should be 2 more of Jeff's engines - one is almost uniformly rust coloured and smells vaguely of fish; the other has red spokes and red pushrods.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on December 16, 2012, 02:44:58 PM
If we go with that kind of identifier, we will need the scratch and sniff app on this site!  ;D

Serial numbers please!

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on December 16, 2012, 03:02:31 PM
Perhaps the fishy one is among these??? Red spoke is here for sure...

(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=8213&g2_serialNumber=2)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=8216&g2_serialNumber=2)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=8219&g2_serialNumber=2)

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: Tom on December 17, 2012, 12:35:08 AM
Man, I hope that container is well centered on the boat.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on December 17, 2012, 12:47:40 AM
All of those last 3 look familar; I think the fishy one is the first one (if it is screwed to a pallet). Mark should be able to confirm the fishiness...

The middle one seems familiar, that coil of fuel line is a giveaway, since most of the engines I collected were Jeff's I suspect that one is also Jeff's, but he will need to confirm. I seem to have lost my master list of serial nos. collected :(
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on December 17, 2012, 12:53:49 PM
Thanks for your help and input Ade... sorting all these details is important to getting our costs properly allocated and the engines to their proper places in the world!

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on December 17, 2012, 04:49:44 PM
For those of you that have PM me. All engines are spoken for.At this time

It will be helpful for us if all owners will contact me (Jeff)   and Gary with their full details at this time so that we have a good grip on what is to be done with all involved engines.
mytickets@cox.net
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on December 17, 2012, 10:55:56 PM
Jeff, and all... please route communications through gary@dieselgen.com so as not to allow any further confusion or problems.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on December 17, 2012, 11:02:51 PM
I think it best that You and I,Jeff and Gary  know who belongs to what !
That will avoid confusion.
And help me sort thru the owners as I see them .
Cheers
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on December 18, 2012, 01:53:33 AM
Only 1 person in charge please... All information will be freely shared.

Dieselgman.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: millman56 on December 18, 2012, 07:49:08 AM
All of those last 3 look familar; I think the fishy one is the first one (if it is screwed to a pallet). Mark should be able to confirm the fishiness...
 That would be the one that my pet sealion sleeps with  ;D.     These 3 engines were from you Ade and have been removed from any pallets and bolted down to stillages
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on December 19, 2012, 08:28:11 PM
Hello all
Looks like the ball is moving again ,YAAAAA
Ade could you have a look at the photos and tell if the  cs30404 is one that you picked up for me

And if so were did we get it from .I seem to have lost track of one 1 engine if you are sure you delivered 7  to Mark that were mine
Thanks
 
Also Mark if you have one of my engines that is no f ing good but for a boat anchor the one that your pet sealion sleeps with ,we may be able to trade for some parts that you know I will need to make my other engines runners
 I love animals and it  would be sad to see your seelion without a pal !

Gary do you have a photo of CS45700 and the one we call VERY RUSTY
if so could you post them
Thank You
cheers
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on December 20, 2012, 01:05:24 AM
We have one with serial # 45706 (elsewhere called 45705 I believe), and I can look again for the crusty rusty ones. I believe that Mark has identified all of them with proper serial numbers except for your boat anchor (fish bait) that has NO id plate remaining.

I show the following: Ade had only 6 of your engines Jeff, the remainder were at Lytham and recently retrieved by Mark. You are not the least nor greatest common denominator, we can cross-check ownership a variety of ways until we get it right.


dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on December 20, 2012, 08:08:07 PM
13380 views of this topic   ( Container shipping out of England )
I find that very interesting
 
Lets show all 13000 viewers that we can get this done


Good work so far  gents
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: contaucreek on December 22, 2012, 09:40:16 PM
Oh trust me, I'm watching the drama from the sidelines  :D
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on December 22, 2012, 11:25:09 PM

And if so were did we get it from .I seem to have lost track of one 1 engine if you are sure you delivered 7  to Mark that were mine
Thanks
 

Jeff,

I went back and painstakingly re-created my notes....

It was, in fact, only 6 engines I picked up for you; the Norfolk one (fish-bait; my pics shows an ID plate, so presumably it fell off at some point?), 2 from Haverford West, 1 from Sunderland (the SOM set), the FR2 and the Grade II listed* VA.

I had 2 other engines for other people, so it was actually 8 engines that went to Mark from me, not 9 as I originally thought.

Sorry for all the confusion...


PS: * "Grade II listed" is a protection against modification applied to buildings which are particularly old or special in the UK.  There are other "listing" grades. The VA came out of a listed outbuilding; although it was more listing than listed (or indeed Lister...)
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: Bottleveg on December 28, 2012, 09:02:08 AM
I’ve got two or three CS 6/1 ‘short’ engines (that’s everything below the cylinder).
One has the ‘electric’ generator flywheels. I’ve probably also got the con rods and pistons for them. These where working engines but had frosted cylinders.
I was going to break them for parts but it seems a shame, as they would make good engines again.
I also have a good VA cylinder head. Quite a rare item as they’re often found with broken exhaust ports.
I can arrange haulage if needed.
PM me if anyone is interested and I’ll get them out of the stores and check them over.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on December 28, 2012, 03:43:19 PM
Mark how dose the head on my VA look
Looks like a spare just turned up

---
Just pm you Bottleveg
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: millman56 on December 28, 2012, 07:15:07 PM
Your VA head looks good,  my VA came with both flanges broken and I repaired them.

Mark.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on February 26, 2013, 04:22:12 PM
Good
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: LowGear on February 26, 2013, 06:33:34 PM
I can't take it.  The suspense is driving me crazy.

Where is the container today?  Has it shipped?  Has it landed?  How many engines are physically inside it?

Casey

Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on February 26, 2013, 07:53:23 PM
Not stuffed yet, but should be ready to go pretty soon. A few pieces being moved over to Mark's still, and still extra space available.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: bschwartz on February 27, 2013, 02:13:54 PM
Any best guess as to when it might leave port? This spring?  Summer?  Fall? 
Of course after this amount of time, and glitches, I know it's hard to pin down, but was just wondering if anyone had a rough guesstimate.

P.S. don't let Casey read the reply, we want to keep him in suspense....  ;D
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: Thob on February 27, 2013, 03:26:56 PM
It's going to be race to see which happens first - the container ships out or Gary updates his web site  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on February 27, 2013, 03:58:10 PM
I would say within the next month... (but the minute that is said, something else might arise to delay further!)  :laugh:

There are still a number of people involved that can potentially change the plan slightly, but with current status - I know that we must engage and stuff the container in March. At this point the other forseeable hold-ups are of minor concern and are not likely to be roadblocks to progress.

As I understand it... all charges are now at Mark's with the exception of about 3 engines (these are coming over from a reliable professional supplier), Mark has the majority of the rest mounted on stillages for putting into the container, there might be some minor details and a bunch of paperwork but nothing else on the radar. I will purchase the entry bond and get our customs broker on the task shortly.

I am personally stretched pretty thin, but returning from Alaska next week and can sit down with the paperwork then... as soon as those Midwest blizzards go away and flights are operating normally.  :o

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: deeiche on February 28, 2013, 11:32:28 PM
SNIP

I am personally stretched pretty thin, but returning from Alaska next week and can sit down with the paperwork then... as soon as those Midwest blizzards go away and flights are operating normally.  :o

dieselgman
You get a bit of snow in Kansas?   ;D

Eastern New Mexico got hammered.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on March 02, 2013, 03:19:25 AM
Yep, my crew in Kansas is complaining a lot... I just tell them they could be the ones having to go into bush Alaska in February!   :laugh:

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on March 22, 2013, 03:02:36 AM
We have a shipping quote in-hand for the carriage portion. $3950 for a 40' container up to 19,500kgs... seems a little high, but not out of the ballpark.

I will get some additional quotes and we will pull the trigger with one of them. Mark will only have 3 hours to load...

Bear in mind that carriage is only going to be a portion of the total shipping costs - (maybe about 50% in this case). We must pay our share for the "war on terror", and keep all those Homeland Security folks and bureaucrats in paying jobs!

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: bschwartz on March 22, 2013, 04:00:25 AM
Approximately how many engines will be in this container?  Knowing that will help with guessing what each engines share of the costs will be.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on March 22, 2013, 05:14:15 AM
Just off the cuff, I believe about 20 engines. I'll update that information with a more precise number once a container size is confirmed. My best estimate is that they will each run around $500 to $700 all-in. This number has not really changed much over the entire period of my involvement. I do not remember what the original Lisenby estimates or guesses were, but it seems that they could not have been too far from this figure unless they were purely "pie-in-the-sky" numbers. I had budgeted $500 for my own original intent on including a single engine with him.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: Jetpilot on March 29, 2013, 11:22:53 PM
Mine was about $1000 when I had it shipped, if I remember right.  That included having it delivered from the Port of Houston to the Victoria Regional Airport. 

Derek
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: bschwartz on May 24, 2013, 12:13:29 AM
Does anyone have any updates to add?
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on May 24, 2013, 12:46:40 AM
We currently have quotes around $4,000 for delivery... I am thinking we will accept one of them and pull the trigger.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on July 25, 2013, 08:28:41 PM
sounds good
Can we offer a discount for anyone with 11 engines  or more

What do ya all think?

jet was happy with what he payed to get his engine

I did start this ball rolling ya know Gary
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: bschwartz on July 26, 2013, 12:59:23 AM
As I understand it, Gary isn't making a dime off of the shipping costs.  Lowering your cost per engine would only shift it to those with less engines.....
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on July 26, 2013, 06:18:31 AM
ok
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on July 26, 2013, 06:22:33 AM
will it  be shipping to Huston , La,Close to me ??
 12 engines is a lot too move ??
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: bschwartz on July 27, 2013, 03:55:35 AM
Heck, if they get close enough that I don't have to swim to get mine I'll be happy  ;D
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: honda lee on July 27, 2013, 07:07:18 AM
I am very excited for all of you and very jealous. Can't wait to see pics
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: LowGear on July 27, 2013, 05:31:38 PM
Is the container on the boat?

Casey
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: contaucreek on July 27, 2013, 07:20:53 PM
Is the container on the boat?

Casey

Prob. Gonna take 2-3 years to figure out a boat now LOL. Sorry guys couldnt help it  :D  How many of you would do this again ?
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on July 30, 2013, 04:32:09 AM
Scheduled tentatively for August 11th... with delivery later in the month. Port not yet confirmed, could be either East Coast or Gulf Coast. Delivery to Central USA - Kansas, seems like the best compromise in terms of serving all needs.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: mbryner on July 30, 2013, 06:34:31 AM
Wow!   I thought this project was long dead!    (I hadn't logged into this site in a long time because my Listeroid has run so well all winter & spring, and in summer it rarely gets excercised, but because I had some fuel pump/injector problems today I logged into the forum to do some research.)   Hope someone posts lots of pics when the container arrives.   If a bunch of rusty old engines get a bit rustier in the salt air on a ship, will anyone notice?

Marcus
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: millman56 on July 30, 2013, 07:08:32 AM
 Port of New York,  OOCL Kaohsiung,  ETA  18-08-2013.    Be good not to have them cluttering up my workshop after all this time.   
Anyone interested in personal imports of genuine Lister iron please PM for more info.

Mark.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: broncodriver99 on July 30, 2013, 07:15:18 AM
And if anyone wants to let one drop anchor in VA I would be happy to make a home for it.  ;D
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on August 06, 2013, 04:38:55 PM
Good Day All
Looks like the ball is rolling
Now I need to get $3000 or $4000 to Gary
for part of my cost
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on August 06, 2013, 07:18:54 PM
Container now stuffed and on its way to the port. At long last, we should be seeing it within a couple weeks.



dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: LowGear on August 06, 2013, 07:22:33 PM
Anyone know a good sauce for hat eating?

Casey
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: Bottleveg on August 06, 2013, 08:30:11 PM
Glad to hear it's finally on it's way.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: bschwartz on August 06, 2013, 09:04:37 PM
Casey, may I suggest one of these......
http://www.madeinnewmexico.com/505-green-chile.html
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: contaucreek on August 07, 2013, 12:59:32 AM
What ever became of Dr. Death  ???
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on September 02, 2013, 03:21:30 PM
any word
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on September 03, 2013, 12:00:35 AM
Shipment is on the rail system... we did get hit with an extra inspection charge at $1035, other than that - no worries. ETA should be this week, but not confirmed.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on September 11, 2013, 01:18:53 PM
Container is landed and unpacked in Kansas! Looking pretty good... now for final arrangements, total cost assessment, and accounting. I will post the pictures when I get the chance. I will be in Alaska until mid October.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: 38ac on September 11, 2013, 01:27:48 PM
A bit off topic but if anyone from the East is going out to Gary's shop to pick up an engine and has room for another one I would like to chat with you about sharing costs for bringing a kit engine back for me.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on September 11, 2013, 03:11:05 PM
Its been a long row to hoe,But we did it !
Now the trip from Phoenix to Garey's place.My trailer was stolen so now need to find a good used one.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on September 20, 2013, 03:34:28 AM
Here are the new arrivals!
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9412&g2_serialNumber=1)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9415&g2_serialNumber=1)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9417&g2_serialNumber=1)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9419&g2_serialNumber=1)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9421&g2_serialNumber=1)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9423&g2_serialNumber=1)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9426&g2_serialNumber=2)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9429&g2_serialNumber=2)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9431&g2_serialNumber=1)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9434&g2_serialNumber=2)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9436&g2_serialNumber=1)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9439&g2_serialNumber=2)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9441&g2_serialNumber=1)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9443&g2_serialNumber=1)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9445&g2_serialNumber=1)
(http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9447&g2_serialNumber=1)

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: broncodriver99 on September 20, 2013, 07:12:22 AM
That's a nice haul. Is that a stack of flywheels or pulleys? I bet that was one heavy container.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: magnicon on September 20, 2013, 08:52:48 AM
That little lot should keep you all out of mischief for a bit !.It will be interesting to see how people go about bringing the SOM sets up to 60Hz.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: contaucreek on September 20, 2013, 11:43:39 AM
by the looks of it Gary should be able to retire early by all the parts hes going to have to sell you guys lol. glad to see this wild idea come to fruition !  Congrats !
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: LowGear on September 20, 2013, 05:31:32 PM
Well I am eating my hat.  Thank goodness I'm in a straw hat part of the world.  If I lived in a Loto state I'd put all my lunch money on it while going to the post office to check and see if my Clearing House Sweepstakes check has arrived.  A very nice day! 

What are the chances of these engines having enough water in them to freeze too much?

Casey
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: millman56 on September 20, 2013, 07:10:41 PM
Let me know when you have finished it and I`ll send you a leather one to chew on ;D.   

Mark.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: LowGear on September 20, 2013, 08:51:22 PM
Sorry, but I'm seeing the vegetarian light.

Casey
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on September 26, 2013, 06:07:25 AM
Well guys, the pie-in-the-sky shipping turned out approximately as follows:

Total expense $8869.88 (thus far only 1 owner contributor besides myself!) Thus far no one has paid their full share amount. I can understand the reluctance based on all the uncertainty attached to this venture. Everything is safely in the USA now, so it is time to settle the accounts.

18 shares at slightly under $500 per share.   :o

Considering the lengthy extra storage and extra logistics costs, (also our extra Homeland Security mafia costs) - not as terrible as might be imagined. Not exactly what was hoped for though. I will add that this does not factor in final billings for work done in the U.K. We can hope that any added amounts will be small.

Contact Gary for any further questions - gary@dieselgen.com

Dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: contaucreek on September 26, 2013, 11:25:20 PM
500 Dollars is reasonable for a trip across the big pond. I have spent almost 400 twice for truck trips 1/2 way across Canada for my Listers. Cant tell you how much of a pain in the ass it is to arrange shipping as an out of town buyer but I guess you guys had a taste of that action. If I do another distance deal I would get the seller to arrange shipping, entire deal pending my approval. Apparently Fastenall is offering very inexpensive shipping between their locations if that would help any of you guys.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: listerdiesel on September 28, 2013, 01:50:48 PM
Was that all of the engines shown in the pictures?

I was looking for the CE twin I sold.

Peter
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on September 28, 2013, 02:36:40 PM
There was no CE included in the shipment.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: listerdiesel on September 29, 2013, 09:59:49 AM
There was no CE included in the shipment.

dieselgman

OK, what happened to it?  Mike (Dr Death?) bought it and Ade Vickers collected it from me, so where did it end up?

Peter

Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on September 29, 2013, 03:29:04 PM
It is my understanding that Mark Wilkinson may have control of several of Mike's machines. Mike purportedly has several others - in Scotland? - as well. Ask him (Mark) about his involvement with that. Due to lack of communications and interest, there were quite a few troubling issues that we could not deal with. With our costs climbing out of control, a decision was taken to limit our exposure to these unknown factors. From my perspective, all original arrangements and assumptions were reduced to mere rubble, and therefore discarded out of necessity. No commitment had been made to cover the costs, no reason to subject anyone else to further unplanned expenses.

Mike, or anyone else with any related issues may contact me directly - gary@dieselgen.com or feel free to air them out on this forum. All of my efforts have been fully transparent and strictly aimed at resolving a huge and thorny mess - not of my own creation!

There were many casualties along the way in the course of this venture (lost engines, lost funds, lost trust) ... and a number of unexpected twists. I am among those who have been harmed myself!

I might add, that laying out $8,000 cash to make this happen was not on my agenda either...  :laugh:

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: mobile_bob on September 29, 2013, 04:13:29 PM
fwiw

just over 2 years ago the average cost to ship a container from western washington to central kansas by truck was right at 8k bucks.  no dock fee's, inspections, home land security, or union fee's either.

so 8 grand for a container from england to kansas is quite a bargain in my opinion

yes this was quite an undertaking and hats off to dieselgman for stepping up and seeing this through.

bob g
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: LowGear on September 29, 2013, 06:06:08 PM
Amen, bob g!

Casey
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on September 29, 2013, 07:50:05 PM
Gary,

Were there any fuel/water tanks in there? I know at least 1 of Jeff's engines should have had a full set of tanks (water+diesel), plus IIRC another standard sized diesel tank & one outlandish big one (may have been water actually).

In fact, are those photos the sum total of the contents of the container, or are there other bits unpictured? Because TBH I'm pretty sure I physically collected more than has been shown there.

Cheers,
Ade.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on September 29, 2013, 07:58:58 PM
Yes, there are several fuel tanks, water tank, and other loose parts in the load. I pictured just the main engines for identification purposes... we are counting on individual owners to identify their other smaller pieces. There is also a pressure cooker here for Mike Lisenby.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: mike90045 on September 29, 2013, 09:02:47 PM
.. There is also a pressure cooker here for Mike Lisenby... 

DHS must be loving that!
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on September 29, 2013, 09:37:03 PM
Thus an extra $1,035 inspection fee...  :P

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: listerdiesel on September 30, 2013, 09:07:28 AM
I haven't heard from Mike for a couple of years, so I'll leave it to him to pursue if he wants to.

Peter
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on September 30, 2013, 02:44:32 PM
Exactly! Mike assigned a person here to handle anything that came up for him... we are in frequent contact with that person.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: millman56 on September 30, 2013, 09:05:22 PM
 Gary,  Mike also assigned me to handle some of his stuff over here, he has  my contact details and the last time I was in contact with him he seemed perfectly capable of asking any questions or pursuing things himself without the help of concerned third parties.

Mark.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: bschwartz on September 30, 2013, 10:39:31 PM
I was told that anything that made it to the US, but was unclaimed became mine  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: listard-jp2 on October 12, 2013, 08:27:03 AM
Just purely out of idle curiosity, I assume that from the photographs, all but one of these engines (Lister VA) were single cylinder Lister CS engines, did no other Lister engines types make it to the US?
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on October 12, 2013, 03:29:06 PM
I moved a pallet with TX, SL and some HR parts.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: listard-jp2 on October 19, 2013, 09:39:03 AM
^ So no twin cylinder Lister CS engines then? Is this due to their been no demand, or because it was not possible to locate any in the UK for export?
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on October 19, 2013, 10:40:21 AM
I would hazard a guess that both supply and demand are very low for twins.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: AdeV on October 22, 2013, 01:21:37 PM
^ So no twin cylinder Lister CS engines then? Is this due to their been no demand, or because it was not possible to locate any in the UK for export?

Very hard to find twins over here, and when they do pop up on eBay, they go for "proper" money.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: listard-jp2 on October 22, 2013, 02:41:13 PM
So if I was  able to locate a qty of genuine twin cylinder Lister CS engines (mostly late 16/2 but also 12/2 that are located outside the UK), what would they be worth to a US customer?

They would be complete, but would range in condition from complete non runner to a good running condition.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on October 22, 2013, 04:10:42 PM
So, post the pictures here and ask for bids!

We stock twin listeroids and sell a few per year, but they are not in demand. Higher pricing ($3200 for a 16/2 and $3875 for a 30/2), and more complexity are a couple factors that would account for this.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: listard-jp2 on October 23, 2013, 06:09:12 PM
^ Thats useful to know, I will be sure to get a few photos when I am next there.
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: slowspeed on December 09, 2013, 01:58:59 PM
Good morning all
Hi Gery
Let me know my part of the Shipping
Will be planing  a trip to get my engines!
Cheers
Jeff
Title: Re: Container shipping out of England
Post by: dieselgman on December 09, 2013, 05:40:37 PM
Sounds good Jeff! email for the rest of the details please.

dieselgman