Lister Engine Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: eddif on February 03, 2008, 07:31:59 PM
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Some sort of diesel bug bit me about 4 years ago, and the infection is not over yet. I got into the Isuzu diesel pickup (PUP) ownership and have been driving one 3 years. I wanted a 12/2 but it is hard to justify $3,000 delivered. After doing all sorts of reading about Listers, I stumbled on a cheap industrial 2 cyl air cooled Russian Belarus diesel equipped with a dual disk hand clutch. I repaired the starter drive and it seems to run fine. Supposed to be about 30 HP but that is all I know. Just on the chance someone knows where I can find out Belarus information, I am posting here.
Now I can get serious about a 6/1 and have enough HP in the Belarus to generate more watts when needed. I am interested in seeing a 6/1 in operation. I live in Mississippi. I have enjoyed the posts while I waited for membership here. If anyone has a cracked or junk 6/1 head and piston I am interested. I want to cut one open to check casting thickness, and try my hand at some machine work ( if it is thick enough).
Thanks
Ed
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Eddif/// they use to have a pretty good engine show in Laurel miss,never can tell what will show up// had 2 show up at the portland engine show last may// also the Laurel show has a pretty good anvil shoot...we will see if our friends north of the border knows what is an anvil shoot///sid
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Give me some Aluminum power, Coke, Amex and diesel fuel and I'll show you yanks how to turn an anvil into Iron pellets high in the stratospher.....
Seriously, no.....
I don't know how to do that and, it would be illegal and foolish ( gigle )
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Are you sure you don't have black helicopters circling your house Doug?
Stan
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Probably came off a Belarus 250AS tractor no longer in production.
Belarus 250AS
General tractor information:
Manufacturer: Belarus
Model: 250AS
Type: Farm/Agricultural tractor
Years produced: 1979 - 1987
Total built:
Factory: Minsk, Belarus
Original price: 8000 (1987)
Tractor power:
Engine: 31 hp [23.1 kW]
Drawbar (rated): 22 hp [16.4 kW]
PTO (rated): 24 hp [17.9 kW]
Engine:
Manufacturer: Belarus
Fuel: diesel
Cylinders: 2
Bore/Stroke: 4.13x4.72 inches [105 x 120 mm]
Displacement: 127 ci [2.1 L]
Compression: 16:1
Rated RPMs:
Cooling:
Torque:
Firing order:
Transmission:
Type: sliding gear
Forward: 8
Reverse: 6
websites:
http://www.belarusguide.com/industry1/MTZ.htm
http://www.tractors.com.by/mtw/index12-e.htm
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Lots of smaller Belarus 4wdr tractors were being used for yard work up in the Peace country in the 70's and 80's when I farmed there. Engines were good but if you wanted parts you might as well have machined them yourself. Parts were hard to find.
Stan
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Very common in northern-eastern Eroupe ( places like Finland ).
Where parts are available they are a respected brand because they are typicaly Soviet in simplicity and easy of repair combined, reasonably well thought out design. Good cold starters ( obviously ).
Most Soviet machinery had piss poor dealer/factory suport the owners/operators were expected to fix them.
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Sid,
I'm dying to know - what's an anvil shoot. Is the anvil the target or the projectile? Was this invented 'cause you couldn't get beer on Sunday? ;D
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You need a helmet and steel toe boots ;)
Stan
"The rules are simple: shooters' anvils must be made of steel, weigh at least 100 pounds and no more than 2 pounds of black powder can be used to send that thing soaring. Two classes exist, those who shoot Traditional and those who shoot Super Modified. In the Traditional class, shooters use real, antique anvils. At the base of every anvil there is a hollow spot, where powder and a 90-second cannon fuse are packed. Then a second anvil is placed on top of the first. Once the fuse is ignited, the shooter has to haul ass to make it out of the 300-foot danger zone. "The first time I shot it went about two feet high," Mulloy admits. While anvils shot the traditional way now reach heights up to 100 feet, for some that just wasn't high enough -- hence the humble beginnings of the Super-Modified category. Not only can shooters in this class smith their own specialty anvils, but they are shot from heavy base plates that enhance height and accuracy.
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Thanks for the information. Keep it coming. Once I got the thing primed and started, it starts with one grunt. A cylinder fires and off it goes no extra spin whatever. It has been warm ( 60 F), but it shows signs of working colder. It had an aftermarket delco starter so I was lucky. I had no idea you could take a starter drive apart and replace rollers and springs (thanks local starter guy for the Info). If not for that information I would have had to search far and farther for a drive. I will probably try and run it at about 1000 RPM with a belt drive to the generator. I have a tach somewhere. The front v-belt pulley can be made 2" larger in diameter and not scrub anything. That should give me enough cooling at the lower RPM ( The fan will turn faster).
I am looking for a lister air cooled now. The oil fields used them back in the day, and a few are still around. I want a CS, but these air cooled are sure cheaper and actually Listers ( If I can actually buy one).
I found another Belarus I can get (not complete) To tear down and look at the combustion chamber, to see if it will run WVO. The design of the piston matters and the fact that air cooled clearances are not able to be controlled ( heat expansion) may not let it work. At least a diesel air cooled does not chill the cylinders like a petrol engine. The VW air cooled will overheat and then freeze the cylinders on deceleration (in certain conditions).
There is a show in Jackson soon also (thanks for the tip).
Thanks
Ed
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ANVIL SHOOT// I think goes back at least over 100 years/ use to be a form of celebration but has change to clubs/ I know of at least 2 clubs in the south that do it for competion and fun//it is simple/ take an anvil and put 1 lb of black powder under and see how high it will go and try to hit a target on the ground //the anvil sits on on a flat metal base with a pipe on top of it to hold the powder/ the powder is ighited with a fuse or with a model rocket ignitor///http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-kWyJx8kTs/////just go to you tube and there are several on there// some advice// do not bet how high it will go// you will loose and do not make the shooter mad.. he can drop it on the roof of your car../ I have seen one anvil blown in half so stay back//sid
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It was actually originally used with 2 anvils, one sitting on top of the other one to signal that big news was coming during the civil war. Much more fun than ringing a bell on the church steeple like most folks did in those days. There are actually some idiots who do it the old way and have someone run up with a red hot poker and touch off the blackpowder by hand. They must be deaf (or wear non-standard historical hearing protection) not to mention inelligable for life insurance.
Stan
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BINGO!!! I've been trying to figure out how to get my 6-1 over the fence into the back yard! ::) Leland
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BINGO!!! I've been trying to figure out how to get my 6-1 over the fence into the back yard! ::) Leland
MMMM glad I am not your neighbor.
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It might be easier on everyone concerned if you planted the black powder under your fence instead of the lister. ;D
Stan
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It was actually originally used with 2 anvils, one sitting on top of the other one to signal that big news was coming during the civil war. Much more fun than ringing a bell on the church steeple like most folks did in those days. There are actually some idiots who do it the old way and have someone run up with a red hot poker and touch off the blackpowder by hand. They must be deaf (or wear non-standard historical hearing protection) not to mention inelligable for life insurance.
Stan
I must admit I've never seen an anvil shoot. I've seen something similar though - a gunpowder tester. You Canadians can see one if you go to the Plains of Abraham above Quebec city - the arsenal there still has its gunpowder test cup. The procedure is:
1) pour a standard measure of powder in the cup, and use about 15 seconds worth of slow match as a fuse.
2) Place a galloper cannonball on top of the cup (I think it was the 6 pounder)
3) light the fuse
4) run back to the sighting line (which is also the safety line)
5) when it goes off, make note of how far up the vertical scale on the wall the ball goes. Didn't get the altitude you wanted? might be too coarse-grained or damp. Could also be adulterated.
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All this black powder stuff sounds like it's very hard on the eardrums. Time to make a plug for hearing protection whether you are grinding on metal for a generator mount, watching a Lister without a muffler or anything like that. Once you get a ringing noise in your ear(s) you have had damage. That damage NEVER goes away. It's permanent! Be aware!
Stan
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All this black powder stuff sounds like it's very hard on the eardrums. Time to make a plug for hearing protection whether you are grinding on metal for a generator mount, watching a Lister without a muffler or anything like that. Once you get a ringing noise in your ear(s) you have had damage. That damage NEVER goes away. It's permanent! Be aware!
Stan
I can vouch for that. When I was about 15, I was in the engine room helping to assemble and GM 12-71 we had replaced a piston in over night. We were just putting the heads on when the boat left the dock the next morning on the other engine. After about ah hour and a half with the other engine running at 2k RPM two feet from me, that was the end of my hearing. 40 plus years later, I still hear that engine. Sometimes it is so loud It drowns out the roid rite next to me. It never stops. It is there 24/7. .
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I can back Stan up on his warning about hearing loss, it is preventable but it is probably too late by the time you notice it. Due to my own folly, I have endured ringing in the ears for many years. Sometimes it seems so loud, I am surprised people sitting next to me can't hear it.
Reminds me of the good old boy who was so pleased with his new hearing aid, he was boasting to all his friends. One of them asked, "What kind is it?"
He replied , " About quarter to five."
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I'm very hard of hearing now after years of working in heavy industry. This week I lost my voice and couldn't yell " WHAT ".
The considerat young aprentices made a name tag that said " Hello My name is Doug and I am a deaf Mute ".....
I wrote a note myself for them, " I am an aprentice and getting a realy dirty job today "
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I used to lecture the kids who like to go to the DJ dances at our school and stand about 5 feet in front of the big 6 foot high speakers blasting music out at a measured 103 decibels. (the band teacher had the meter to measure it). They stood there for the whole 4 hours of the dance and were measureably deafer (sp?) the next morning. (we had to have our dj dances on thur night because they were much cheaper than the fri. night version).
I wonder where some of them are now and what kind of hearing aids they use?
Stan
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I wrote a note myself for them, " I am an aprentice and getting a realy dirty job today "
I see punishment is dealt swiftly down in the mine. :o
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No, when that sort of thing begins it the start of play time. Time to break out my dusty old bag of dirty tricks 8)
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The neat thing about your Belarus engine is the centrifugal oil cleaner. Have you had a look inside it yet?