Lister Engine Forum
Lister Engines => Original Lister Cs Engines => Topic started by: sb118 on February 27, 2006, 08:09:46 AM
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I've been reading that i should be looking for non-detergent based oils etc. I have NO idea which oils in the UK are the right thing for my engine.
Anybody know what brands i should be looking for? Could i chuck some plain 5/40 in there for 8 hours to flush out any crap which has been standing since i bought it? (only fired it up long enough to damage myself since i got it home!)
cheers
steve
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I'd bet whatever the London cabbies are feeding their long-lived diesels would be perfect for the Lister.
I switched to Chevon Delo 400 (from non detergent 30W) not long ago and see a MUCH cleaner engine now, but consumption is up slightly over 30w.
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petrol car oils are non detergent oils.
*most* diesel oils are detergent based.
cold starting apart, once a lube oil is up to temperature its cleanliness (filtering / changing) is more important than its weight
I very much doubt you can buy a grade of oil too low a spec for a lister.
castrol agri power 15w40 is available at any farm supplier (the ordinary agri, not the plus ones) and will work fine
Agri Power
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SAE 15W-40
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petrol car oils are non detergent oils.
Where do you get this stuff?
They are 'detergent oils', diesel oil is typically 'high detergent'.
Any engine with a full flow filter is going to use a detergent oil. The purpose of the detergent is to hold contaminents in solution until they can be captured by the filter. Designs without filters relied on sludge traps where the contaminents could settle out and be removed from the flow. The down side of course is that you have to clean the traps out periodically, rather than just dumping a filter.
Read; http://www.realclassic.co.uk/techfiles/oil030319.html
A bypass filter is an even better idea, since it removes much smaller particles.
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petrol car oils are non detergent oils.
Where do you get this stuff?
perhaps I just pull it out of my ass
or perhaps I had to know the specifications of exotic and incredibly rare lube oils like SAE30 which was used in incredibly exotic and rare diesels like detroits.
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On our side of the pond, virtually ALL oils are detergent oils.....
Non-detergent oil has to be purchased specially......
These specs have greatly changed overtime.....be careful not to confuse indepth investigation of oils in the 60's-80's with today's lubricants.
Steve
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Tut, tut Guy, don't get your knickers in a twist. ;D
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Steve is right oils have advanced a long way since the CS was new....
You can get way with old fasion oil in a Listeroid, but why when you can extend the life of your engine by keeping it cleaner and having an easier starting engine with multi viscosity oils. Not to mention all other good stuff in todays oils, anti wear additives and the like. I wouldn't waste the money on a synthetic, just change your oil often.
Doug
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Guy, there's no reason to go ballistic every time someone disagrees with you. You've been wrong before, just like the rest of us.
I used to sell oil in the parts store during college. Valvoline had a line of non-detergent oils then for engine break-in and for old car buffs (not that the buffs were old, the cars were). We sold 20W and 30W in a blue and white can that had "NON-DETERGENT" written in large friendly blue letters. All the other oils, even back then in the 1970s, were detergent oils. You had to specify non-detergent oil if you wanted it. Perhaps oils in the UK were/are different.
I do know for a fact, though, that the level of detergent in lube oils meant for diesel use are much higher than that for petrol engines. So much so, that the manufacturers rep. cautioned us to make sure customers didn't use the diesel lube oil in gas engines because the added detergent sometimes caused piston rings in older gas engines to leak, causing increased oil consumption.
Halfnuts
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Detergent, dispersant, sulfated ash.... just how many ways are there to suspend dirt in oil so the filter can get it?
Which damages ported two stroke diesels? (high ash) which damages catalytic perverters? Why do airplane engines use ashless dispersant?
Not so fast in the slings and arrows department, OK? Oil is complex.
Scott E
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A really interesting (and fairly short) link about motor oil is at:
http://www.atis.net/oil_faq.html
One section is by a guy who worked for a Swiss company that made diesel engines for locomotives. The second section is by a chemical engineer who works for the Univ. of Nevada research station. More than you ever wanted to know about motor oil
Ray