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BruceM

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Re: Excited soon-to-be caretaker.....
« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2019, 04:52:27 PM »
Very nice steel base.  Congrats on the safe and successful trip!

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« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2019, 04:59:55 PM »

Thank you Bruce!

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« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2019, 09:26:21 PM »
So, Camshaft removal......
Grind off the mushed end of the pin thru the collar?
Replace with a split shaft collar? Will that hold sufficiently?

Also, what do folks use to remove the Cylinder-Head studs?
I'm not liking my first thoughts of a small pipe wrench, don't want to mark them up.
Double nut the tops?

It was more work THINKING about getting this 6/1 torn down that actually doing it. Sorta reminds me of taking apart an over
grown Briggs & Stratton, except the parts are a lot bigger. No crazy surprises in the tear down, and keeping a tally on sand found.
Most of the nuts on studs were not very tight at all, save the head stud nuts. Too loose really.
Having fun........so far (I think).
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Re: Excited soon-to-be caretaker.....
« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2019, 12:27:59 AM »
 That pin is tapered, a close inspection should reveal the snaller end which of course is the end you tap on to remove it. The large end is usually the one beat up from being bludgeoned when it was installed.  The cylinder studs are not normally very tight. I use a pipe wrench with well worn jaws to remove them but double nuts should work also. 
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BruceM

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Re: Excited soon-to-be caretaker.....
« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2019, 01:29:36 AM »
Bravo, Dkmc.  It's the simplest diesel imaginable, and easy to tear down.   Best to have a helper for pulling the cylinder just for weight and control. 

38ac's article covers all the details quite marvelously.  Best guide ever for the CS Clones and Listeroids.  His short video clip on idler gear install for proper gear position is a must see.

Maintenance is a snap after this rebuild process; you'll know that engine's internals well.

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« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2019, 02:20:53 AM »

Thanks Butch, if I have to I'll modify the jaws on one of the pipe wrenches to prevent 'knurling' the studs.
Yes Bruce, I binge read Butch's 12 page thread a couple times since I got the engines. Watched all his Video's several times
as well. It's a fantastic guide that keeps on giving and will for generations........Thank you Butch for all your effort and sharing
of vital info! 

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Re: Excited soon-to-be caretaker.....
« Reply #36 on: July 09, 2019, 01:20:36 PM »
As mentioned a pipe wrench is easy and most have one around. If you want a specific tool that would minimize damage there are stud pullers. I have several and they are usually in the $20-30 range depending on the stud size range. They do a good job but can leave marks on the studs as well depending on how tight the studs are. I believe the last set of cylinder studs I pulled I used either an 10" pipe wrench or a pair of channel lock pliers. All but one came out easily and the one only required a little persuasion after being together for 60 years.

You can always wrap the stud with cloth or paper towel to help minimize any marring.

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Re: Excited soon-to-be caretaker.....
« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2019, 07:47:58 PM »
The studs were not tight at all, and surely not torqued into the block like I would expect.
I've managed to get it completely torn down, and got the crank in the lathe between centers. This one must be a fluke, it's pretty darn straight. Worst indicator reading I can get is .0015 on the one end. It's within .001 on either side of the throw.

I made up a Gib Key puller. It's pretty stout, but I found the material in the drop pile.  The keys didn't put up much of a fight.
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BruceM

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Re: Excited soon-to-be caretaker.....
« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2019, 09:59:44 PM »
Nice gib key puller!  Looking forward to seeing more of your progress!

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« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2019, 11:31:10 PM »
The India crankshafts are either real good and straight or real bad, thankfully mostly good. I suspect the bad ones are bent during the handling of the engine after assembly as it would be a trick to get one that crooked between centers on the grinder.
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Re: Excited soon-to-be caretaker.....
« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2019, 03:41:35 AM »

A few more progress pictures from yesterday.....

The parts pile......

And, excited to see I was NOT cheated out of a generous helping of crank case sand!
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It only took about 20 minutes with the needle scaler to harvest this amount.
Yeesh






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Re: Excited soon-to-be caretaker.....
« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2019, 05:28:06 AM »
Good progress.  A monster carbide burr owned by a friend was very effective for smoothing; it cut the cast iron flash and smoothed sharp corners like they were basswood.


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Re: Excited soon-to-be caretaker.....
« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2019, 07:59:04 AM »
Look at that pile of bloody sand.  That's a lesson for the rest of us.  Sheesh

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Re: Excited soon-to-be caretaker.....
« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2019, 10:07:09 AM »

Not trying to win an unfortunate wizzing contest but I looked and thought how much less the sand appears to be than what I pulled out of my engine.
But then again, the engine I got was exceptional. It didn't have one single typical  Roid flaw!

It had ALL of them! Every single one!  :embarassed:

It still does my head in how they can sell these things in their home and surrounding countrys like this. Either they pull them down before using them and fix them up which I find highly unlikely, or the question remains how long tot he things go before they grind themselves to pieces?

Or shake themselves apart
or won't run because the lifters don't rotate and the valves are stuffed
Or the cam is stuffed/ broken
or ... (add in any or all of the other endless well known defects these things have from the factory.)

I can just imagine the guy in charge of procurement at these factorys....

" Yes to a good morning be sir at you. Pareesh this is factory engine makers from I am.  Would like to be I the 20 of metal tons Ordering like to be I would with with same delivery also the tons of 25 Sand next months requirements our casting duty this would for be.
Sending I will be the brand new 10 ton truck of ours I will collection for at once all pick up "

Then again, the sand in the sump is probably less than the grit the engines ingest in the first month in the dusty paddock as nothing seems more offensive to a Punjab than using an air cleaner and only in desperate measures will they use a muffler either.

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Re: Excited soon-to-be caretaker.....
« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2019, 10:23:15 PM »
Good progress.  A monster carbide burr owned by a friend was very effective for smoothing; it cut the cast iron flash and smoothed sharp corners like they were basswood.

That's very interesting. You wouldn't happen to have a pic, or name of the mfgr that made that Burr would you Bruce?

Glort, your Listeroid shop manager impersonation is pretty far out!   ;D
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