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glort

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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2019, 10:20:14 AM »
California, USA  has entered 3rd world power grid reliability status.

Quite amazing.
I doubt there are many that don't think of the US as the Ultimate of the first world and all it's benifits but I have always been amazed at the apparent unreliability of the grid in the US. Home generator systems seem popular and widespread there where as they are only just starting to make an appearance here.


It's the story of privatized power in the US.  Those countries who maintained state power systems and didn't fall for the free market baloney now get the last laugh,


Unfortunately The US of Oz is very good at copying failed, dangerous and stupid ideas. Seems our Polies and CEOs thing we can have a different result from doing the same thing that failed elsewhere.
We have gone hell bent down the privatization road ( and there is talk of going right to the end of the road) and it's cost us dearly In power prices and reliability or the diminishing of it.

There has been a lot of talk and interest in going off grid and reducing grid reliance with solar to alleviate cost. I'm sure the power co Mouth pieces are responsible for putting the idea in peoples heads that this costs the poor and downtrodden more in power charges.
There has just been some intervention by the gubbermint to lower power prices. I'll be saving a fraction over a whole cent per Kwh and a couple of cents per day on the " supply" costs.  I'm sure that will slash peoples yearly Bills.......NOT!!

When the power cos here are making $2.7 Bn a year NET PROFIT, any talk of the underprivileged and Low income earners doing it hard because of solar and people getting off the grid being unfair to those whom are left, is a complete and utter insult.

We had many blackouts here last year including an outage that took out 150,000 homes hours after the state Premier guaranteed there would be no blackouts.  Her excuse afterwards.... wasn't a blackout, was a planned outage.  ::)
Ya! That's entirely different right?

I think having a generator at home here is going to become more of a necessity than a luxury or being overly cautious. 

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« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2019, 12:51:04 PM »
Oops, I should clarify that I don't plug the house into the generator just the fridge and a bid freezer nothing else. Sorry if it sounded like I wanted to kill myself that way. We have solar on the roof but when the power goes off line it cuts the power from the panels before it gets to the fuse box and back into the grid.
Hi glort when your next in the neighbourhood you would be welcomed to call in if you like. As for old engines and tractors around this district there are a few but they are getting less all the time. Most get taken home and few get past us guys and make it to the scrap yard where they will NOT resell them back to the public. Being part of One Steel now and not privately owned they are not allowed to sell stuff to the public only buy. I wanted some copper wire to make a remagnetiser for rebuilding magnetos but they would not part with it and when you take stuff to them they offer less than peanuts to take it. I am in the blind and curtain industry and get a bit of scrap extruded alluminium and it is not worth my efforts to take it to town so I donate it to a bloke around the corner who supplies me with other bits and pieces as needed plus he will take all my old worthless pvc blinds and he deals with them (don't ask).  :police:
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« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2019, 05:11:08 PM »

Hi Cobba,

Next time i'm up I'll get in touch. Have a bit to do the next couple of days and will head home Wednesday Night.

Do you go to onesteal in Taree? Had dealings with them, pack of twats. I have got friendly with my local scrappy. Seems a real good bloke. Has let me Pick the yard for things and then hasn't taken any Payment.  I have a few old batteries at home I'm taking  to him in return.

I had a guy today eyeing off my Kubota engines. Asked a lot of questions and then asked how much I was selling them for? I said I just bought them, Didn't want to sell them. He then Offered me $400 for one.  Said he wanted to drive a Pump with one. I said must be a bloody Big pump you have. He had worked on a lot of earth moving equipment as an Mechanic and engineer. Had a lot of interesting storys and accounts of things in that industry as far as Hydraulic pressures, size of pumps, torques of bolts and what is involved in repair and maintenance of Big mining machinery and equipment.

I found a rebuilt 6/1 ( supposedly) for $1000.  Wondering if I should grab it or it's a bit high on the ask? It is genuine and it is supposedly rebuilt which I pretty much believe given the conversations with the owner.  Might advertise my Roid when I get home and see what I can get for that and if I can off load it I'll get the other one..... Or maybe I should just grab it Now? 

Mrs is tolerant of my engine proclivities but that would be Pushing it.  And no where to hide the bastard either.
Maybe I'll ask and see how loud she screams? Usually she is OK if I say I'll off load something else.  And I would offload the roid.

Geez, Coming home with 3 engines at once...... That seems like greed even to me.  :0)

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« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2019, 06:04:47 PM »
It's the story of privatized power in the US.  Those countries who maintained state power systems and didn't fall for the free market baloney now get the last laugh, and they are much better prepared to deal with a change to non-carbon energy.  It isn't "regulation" when power co.s can pay for the campaigns for and promote their own "regulators". 

I've also noted that many of the countries with state run power have sane grounding systems, RCD breakers on whole home service for better safety, and aren't running megawatts of power through the earth and aquifer. Like Japan, where you live to a ripe old age with much better health.  Finland, France also do things in a competent manner.


Unless you live in South Africa where all our utility power is state owned, but has been raped by, guess who, our very own ex President and his cronies, commonly known as "comrades".  On top of this, pretty much no maintenance or upgrades done for the last 20 odd years and now it's come to bite us in the arse.  Scheduled power outages are frequent to prevent the grid from imploding, and to make matters worse, the gubbermint make it impossible (illegal) for private companies to produce electricity and feed the grid.  Even tiny home solar systems must be registered and they make it absolutely not worth it to grid feed.


Thank God for my Lister, which is also supposed to be registered with the authorities, but aint, fcuk em.

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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2019, 08:13:56 AM »

When You put it that way, No wonder Ed has developed his thumpers and power supply so well.

Seems the basic 3rd world Commodity of reliable electricity is not to be as taken for granted as many of us have at least in the past.

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« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2019, 12:18:25 PM »
Survived our outage today and it went overtime as well so I caught up reading some tractor mags this afternoon while waiting. At leaset we have lpg stove and can boil the billy. Because it was a cool day I only ran our genset for about an hour and shut it down. That got the fridge and the big freezer back down to where iit should be.
It would be nice to meet up at some stage and have a chat and a cuppa. There is a big CD 8hp that needs a new home here too on a home made trolly.
Like you I am blessed with a wife who enjoys this hobby from our tractors, engines and mowers and we take them to Rallies as often as we can. Next one is next month at the Yesteryear Truck Show in Wauchope and we will takes Dees' HRH Sarah Fergusson (TEA20), then it is our Club Rally, the Rusty Iron Rally at Macksville and I am doing my best to have our David Brown Cropmaster painted for that event as a debut for him as a finished project. Also will take Flo the Farm Pumper engine and hse is entered into a record attempt of most stationary engines running at once here in Oz. After that we are looking at the Clarendon Classic near Windsor, Sydney and will take a coupleof mowers to that.
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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2019, 02:20:31 PM »

I messaged the Mrs about the CS and was told if I get it I have to get into cleaning up the shed.
A bargain price as I intended to do that anyway before the weather gets too hot again. She knew that so it was non condition.
And offload the roid which was also a pre concluded decision of my own.

I'll get back to the seller and see what I can arrange.  Couple of water cooled  China Horizontals AND a genuine lister. All my diesel and engine Dreams come True at once! Just have to concentrate on Finding some gen heads after that. See how I go.

How Much you want for the CD? Might be interested in that instead of the CS.  Something a bit more rare and unusual.  :0)

I wouldn't say my wife enjoys my Hobby, far closer to say she tolerates it as a part of my many proclivities and ways I annoy her. She has never come to an engine show and refuses to but I -might- be able to win her over for the local October one at Menangle.

I wasn't aware of the truck and machinery Show at Wauchope. I will ask Dad if he'd like to go.
funny you say about the most stationary engines running. I have had a thought in my head for a few weeks about pulling all my engines out the shed and grouping them together for a Pic and then doing a vid of them all running.  Truth is I have lost count Myself of how many engines I have now. Keep discovering them in corners of the shed under crap and forgot I even had the things.

Do you display your Mowers at Clarendon up the top end near the main Gate?  I have seen quite a few on Display there the last 2 years I have been.  I threw out crates of Victa engines and parts when I moved 2 years ago. Hated doing it but really was an interest in life that was in the past and I had to move on from. Just one running Victa Mower Now and I -think- a complete running engine.

I'd love a Tractor but with just 1 acre it's an impractical idea. A little Kubota with a bucket or a  backhoe wouldn't be out of the question though even as just a temporary acquisition to do some work around the place.  Going to seriously look at extending the shed or putting in another one when I get home.

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« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2019, 04:03:57 PM »
Interesting report, Dax21.  West of me, the area is served by APS, the biggest power co. in AZ, though there are a couple dozen companies.  They have a policy of zero preventative maintenance; they only fix things that have caused an outage or complaints.  No policing of lines for arcing on hardware on the poles/EMI sources, or anything else.  Cables flailing in the wind from an old disconnected transformer just stay that way for years.  They rush to fix things that break, and keep most of the many brief outages to under 4 hours (rarely 8hrs), but there may be 20 short outages a year. 

I really enjoy not being hostage to a power co. I wish I'd gone off grid much earlier. Almost everyone I know who has says the same.






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« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2019, 04:39:50 AM »

They have a policy of zero preventative maintenance; they only fix things that have caused an outage or complaints.

Is that an actual company policy or the impression Created?

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« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2019, 07:21:48 AM »
Sounds like 'Maintenance but breakdown"  a good policy to make great gross profits and get customers off side. Share holders would love this management.
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« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2019, 03:33:49 PM »
The no maintenance, urgent repairs only policy was told to me by local linemen.  It's triage due to budget and staff trimming.  CEO compensation is 9.8 million dollars/yr.

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« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2019, 08:26:50 PM »
That does sound a bit strange.  In South Africa,  the power company doesn't do maintenance because they have no money.  This is a combination of really bad management by cronies without any relevent skills being given high end positions, and downright theft.  It has been estimated that about $35Billion has been siphoned off over the last ten years. (and that's just the elec utility, the other 20 or so state owned enteprises are almost as bad.  Our national airline and broadcaster cannot survive without government bailouts.)  Also compounding the problem is that the majority of townships (Apartheid era low income residential areas, shanty towns), owe a few $Billion in debt to the utility.  Then there is the illegal connections, where township dwellers just connect themselves to the mains, causes all sorts of problems like substations catching fire.

I could go on for days.  They don't call it darkest africa for nothing.

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« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2019, 09:21:17 PM »
Corrupt governance and crony rip-offs are a universal problem.  Problem is, we can only put humans in charge, and power always corrupts.  We have to find a way to get better leadership, somehow.

I noticed South Africa has 1.5% growth. That's a doubled population is 47 years, less than one lifetime.  Humans seem to think(?) that this can just keep going on.
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« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2019, 11:46:05 PM »

I was reading a Govt report a couple of weeks ago that Sydney's now 3m population is set to rise by 1.75M in the next 20 years. I shudder to think what that is going to be like. Where I am right on the edge is going to become central because there is really only one way to move that is practical and that's this way.  Terrain becomes a problem for a lot of north and south and east is a bit damp and unstable for building on.

Already we are on the brink of power shortages and do have water restrictions in place. Of course the lack of water is blamed on Drought even though there hasn't been a new Dam built here in over 40 years. Perhaps they are of the mistaken Impression that the dams were built of rubber and can keep expanding endlessly with the population?

I visited our main dam and water supply a couple of months back given I had to drive right past it and hadn't been there since I was a Kid on a School excursion. It's a sizeable bit of construction.  There has been suggestion of raising the dam wall but of course the dogooders and vocal opposers to any progress what so ever went into melt down about that.  Maybe everyone should just put buckets out and cover the the back yard to catch the rain.... although I'm sure there would be a whinge fest about that too if you did it.

This ever increasing Population/ growth Model will be the real cause of bringing the world undone.
Far as I believe, every other problem and concern all has its roots in population.   If one looks at the weather change concern, the amount of emissions reduction would have to be at a very significant rate because you not only have to reduce current levels but reduce even more just to keep up with the increased output from population growth.
You can't just keep growing the amount of people and keep the output levels the same, it's Illogical as well as totally impractical.
 
You only graze so many sheep in a Paddock because it's well know what happens if you over graze.
For some reason we can't see that humans grazing on the earth are no damn different.

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« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2019, 06:40:39 AM »
As promised to glort a pic of my CD 8hp
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