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Re: This guy would be fun to deal with
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2019, 03:41:19 AM »

Much as it will upset some of the PC by saying it, I don't blame him.

I would bet this guy would be pretty easy to deal with if you weren't some scamming low life that was trying to touch him up as he has obviously had experience with before and does not want to go down the same road again which is only what any sensible person would do.

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Re: This guy would be fun to deal with
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2019, 10:30:28 AM »
I wonder how many will pass the buyer selection test.

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Re: This guy would be fun to deal with
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2019, 12:58:47 PM »
Hi Guys, I am not a big fan of politics or politicians or the awful anti indigenous/racial equality laws they have passed. I fully support this seller`s right to sell, or not sell, his possessions to who ever he chooses. I do not believe in racism in any form at all, and try my best to judge others, equally, based on their character and proclivities. I can think of nothing worse than a society in which I could be compelled to sell something that I own to someone I do not like. If I don`t like someone, that is now going to be classed as racism/sexism/?????phobia? How dare they! If you don`t like my old fashioned rules at least have the guts to come and see me to discus it, don`t just pass anti hate laws that make me a criminal!

I think and hope  that most of the people on this forum still live in countries with democratically elected governments and I have always respected that concept. There are some people who do not accept that principle and will try to thwart the will of the majority of people by challenging freedom of expression and thought and deny me my right to chose who I like and who I don`t.

One of the primary reasons for my leaving the UK and emigrating to Australia was that I no longer recognized the country I grew up in. Parts of London and the UK have become  ghettos filled with various ethnic minority groups with far more rights than the traditional indigenous population.  There is  an ongoing sh1t storm about what to do with the returning UK citizens who went to fight with Isis in Syria. These people voluntarily went to a foreign country to kill infidels. To them I am an infidel! Yet they believe they have the right to return to and live in the UK, where the indigenous population are expected to welcome them with open arms and give them housing and welfare benefits! These idiots then have the gall to complain if I don`t like them and choose not to sell any of my belongings to them!

I hope and believe that we are seeing the end of liberalism. The election of Donald Trump was probably the first evidence of ordinary people saying we have had enough of this BS. The vote for Brexit in the UK has shaken Europe to it`s foundations and it looks like the idea of a federal Europe run by socialists is about to collapse.

Martin luther King had a dream in which all people were treated equally, regardless of colour. He went on to say that they should be judged by the quality of their character and the sum of their achievements. As far as I know he was never exposed to the sort of 1984 Orwelian nightmare we now have to put up with. I wonder what he would have to say today?

Leave the guy alone and let him get on with it.

Bob

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Re: This guy would be fun to deal with
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2019, 06:49:47 PM »

Very Well said Bob!
Totally and completely agree.

There are some cultures I point blank refuse to do business with as either a provider or as a customer.  I have been burnt before repeatedly with these people and as much as the PC will cry and sook about discrimination or what ever, I simply say how stupid would I be to keep doing something that has bit me on the arse before repeatedly and then do it again and expect a different result?  I'm thick but I'm not that far gone.

What gets me is the PC do gooders always think some people should always be afforded considerations and friendly attitudes to people whom have nothing but pure and utter contempt  for others not of their kind and in fact follow a belief system that straight out tells them to kill the infidels whenever they can get away with it and if they can't, Lie, cheat and undermine them whenever they can. I hold the same disdain for their beliefs and  life choices as they hold foe mine so why am in in the wrong? Am I not allowed the same freedoms others are or is there a prescribed way of thinking that applies to some and not others?

Many of the soft of heart and head repeat BS mantras these groups invented which are completely opposite to the truth and reality of the situation and hold them to be some poor, misunderstood angels that wouldn't hurt a fly.  When ever I come up against these soft of heart and head, I ask them, Have you wroked, lived and done business with these people... at all?  Inevitably the answer is NO yet they have the gall and Audacity to tell me who has done all 3 for 40+ years what little angelic cherubs they are.  Go to buggery with your ridiculous preaching pf something you have ZERO experience and first hand knowledge of but dare to tell me about these people when I have suffered them my whole life.

I am racist by the modern PC definition in that they firstly don't know the definition of what race really is and secondly, I do not believe every culture is the wonderful, peace loving, hard working honorable people we are suppose to believe everyone is.  We all have certain traits which are known to others if not recognized or admitted to ourselves. To deny that is ignorant and moronic.

 A party or get together at my place is like the race of all nations.
My good friends are all Italian, greek, Masso's,  french, Asians, Yugos and a stack of Poms.  We all stick it to each other about certain traits and laugh about it because we know it's true. I have several yank friends as well whom through distance I don't see often but always catch up with when they are here... or we are in NZ. The thing is, while a lot of them are "foreigners" whom have come here, most of them have a serious dislike for the people I myself have a disdain for through repeated experience as well.

2 of my good friends, One an Italian and one a greek have a passionate hate for a certain culture that no other culture I have met has ever had any liking of  and one always says if he was ever PM they would have a choice, be gone in a week or be shot and the other thinks they should be shot and then sent out of here.  Easy to write the attitudes off as whatever except for the fact one of them IS a certified and tested Genius that ranks in the top 10% of people in the world.  Not the guy you want to have an argument with in intelligence or physical stature and fitness.

I had the whole Greek family over a few weeks ago.Known them since their son and mine started school together and were best friends since day one.
We have all been though a lot together over the years. Their son has always been like a second son to my wife and I and ours  the same to them. Listening to the almost 80 Yo matriarchs experience with these people over the years and her dislike of them brings a new perspective. One of the kindest, gentlest most loving women you could ever meet  who would do anything for any one to have a passionate hatred is something to make one think how such a person got this way.
 
Moving here was significantly to get away from these people for the same reason as you Bob.
The areas I grew up in as a child have been over run by a culture hell bent on turning every place they go into the same crime and lawless shitholes as they came from and showing total and utter disregard for rules, the country and culture they have come to infect here and any form of civility or respect.
What was once an area regarded as upmarket and full of people with high standards is now looked at as somewhere best avoided for the documented crime that puts it CONSISTANTLY at the top of the worst crime areas in the country.  The other stats show the near 70%  dominance of one particular Culture and the writing on the wall could not be any clearer.  Compare that against the numbers for the last 40 years and you find in the early part going through to where there was a very strong Asian immigration to the area, it was safe as houses. Only when you go further along and see other influences and domination does the place go from a safe haven to a crime filled shithole.

The Pc do gooders never look at those documented facts and deny them if you bring them up.

I won't do business with some cultures the same as this seller for the same reasons. I have done business with them in the past with contracts in place and they just straight out lie, inisist there was some verbal agreement which would be idiotic in nature for any business to agree to and end up costing money, time, stress and loss of sleep I just don't need.

The last one I dealt with tried to scam me as well.  Signed contract and was made very well aware of the terms.  Deposit followed by full payment up front for the balance of the service 2 weeks prior with any add ons after wards to be paid when ordered and before the job was completed. Same thing I had been doing 20+ years that no one except one group ever had issue with.   Comes back for the job confirmation 2 weeks out and when I tell them the balance of the service and ask how they would like to pay. I'm told the father is paying for it and he does not want to pay till after the job is done.

I have been down this road too many times before. Of course after the job there is ALWAYS something wrong, something they are not happy with and something that warrants a huge discount on the agreed price.  Get stuffed. I'm a slow learner but I have learnt well and truly by now and can see this old chestnut coming.
It was only because I didn't meet the guy initially that I took the job then he showed up with the other half from a different background to sign the contract and go over details which shows these people know their own reputation.

I explain that is nice but that is irrelevant to me. I'm not doing business with the father nor have even met him and it was the person I'm talking to in front of me that signed the contract and my business is with him and any arrangements he has with other people is nothing at all to with me nor affects our agreements.
I told the guy we had a long standing agreement, the terms had been repeatedly been explained to him and he had signed a contract with said terms clearly written on it along with detailed pricing of any and all extras available.  Of course there were the typical excuses and BS of why he couldn't/ didn't want to pay and I wasn't wearing it.  Reached into my desk, Wrote a refund Check with the wife panicking seeing what was coming with him assuring her it would be OK, I wasn't going to loose business and I handed it to them saying have a nice life, I'm out.

It was then put on me that I was abandoning them at the last minute and it was unfair etc.  I told the guy, I'm the one trying to stick to the agreement, not me who is insistent on breaking it.  I showed them the door with the guy still going on about paying after the fact and did I not trust him?
I stopped him, looked him in the eye and said no, I didn't trust anyone that tries to break agreements one bit. I told him, fortunately I'm not as stupid as I look. I know whats coming, there will be some thing wrong no matter what I do and then after I have spent my time and money you will insist on a discount and I'll be up shit creek.  Told him, sorry mate, not falling for that one again.  Only time he shut up during the whole discussion.

10 min after they left I get a phone call saying they will come back and pay and the father has agreed.  I tell them no thanks.  There has to be a level of trust and faith in any business deal and clearly they didn't trust me and I sure no longer trusted them. Repeated I wasn't interested in the Job any longer several times and eventually said I have to go, good bye and hung up with him still yabbering trying to get me back on board.

As fate would have it, they went with a competitor I was friendly with, a Macedonian fellow who did brilliant work and I had never heard a complaint about in 6 years since he had come into the area. Sure enough, they put him through the wringer with complaints  about the work done and wanting discounts and picking up extra work they never paid for. Predictable as sunrise.

As soon as the guy told me about this short notice job he got after they got left high and dry by someone else I knew who it was. gave him the details and told him, why do you think I bailed when they failed to pay the balance up front?  At least this guy got the message first time round and admitted he had heard stories of the same thing from other people he knew. Being smarter than me i'm sure they would only get him once and the next lot that came along would be passed over very quick.

I'll pass on doing business with these people and anyone whom has a problem with that can exercise their right to do business with whom they want.
They can lay off judging me and the lectures until AFTER their business is completed and then we'll see if their experience was any different to mine or anyone elses and if their tune has changed.

It will have, guaranteed.

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Re: This guy would be fun to deal with
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2019, 10:55:11 AM »
WOW!  How these style of discussions strike me.

Liking or not liking someone has little to do with racism.  Individuals not not liking groups is also a personal choice but seems to have a funny odor about it.  Requiring people to support public programs and then preventing them from using those mandatory programs is a problem.  If you're going to use government facilities that are paid for by all groups and yet some of those groups can't use them then we have a problem.  It is one of the pillars of racism. 

It's kind of like saying racist not welcome here, especially you white b$&%@*ds.  Or Help Wanted unless you're of Irish descent.  These are right next door to "Those of African ancestry should rethink being in town whilst the sun resides below the horizon to the West.  One of my favorite quotes is from Groucho Marx: "I wouldn't join a club that had standards so low they'd accept me."  We have zero tolerance - Especially of zero tolerance.

I just spent a week in Arizona.  Very different place from what I'm used to.  They have residential developments that are measured in kilometers.  All, and I mean ALL, of the houses or condo units are light brown stucco.  Radicals paint some of the trim or borders a darker brown (not blue or red or .......) but brown.  All of the doors are the same color and I suspect have the same door handles.  Land of the free.  The greatest freedom of all - Freedom from Choice.  Private Enterprise at its best.  And then I watched the latest rendition of "Fahrenheit 451" on the plane ride home.  Neat vacation. 

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Re: This guy would be fun to deal with
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2019, 11:47:08 AM »

Sometimes Casey, the only thing I can be certain of from reading your posts is that your internet connection is working correctly.

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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2019, 05:23:46 PM »
May Heaven smile upon you lad.  A reply in less than one line.  I'm thinking this is a personal BEST!  I knew you had it in You.

Most of what I write is for fun.  We are not going to save the world or culture on this blog or any blog I've ever seen.  Occasionally some "Food For Thought" sneaks in.  This thread is about the possibly most destructive force in the US.  170 years ago one set of states went to war with the rest of the states, AKA The Union.  Estimates as high as 750,000 of just soldiers are pretty much accepted as valid today.  That's really eye opening when you consider that there were about 30,000,000 people as total population or about 1/10 of the population of today.  It would be like 7,500,000 US soldiers dying in a war today.  Listen to all the poop you want it really boiled down to the states rights to buy and sell people.  Actually these states were offered status quo but they declared war for the ability to bring new states in as slavery is OK states.

Helping others is really important.  Whether that's helping them and their children breath clean air and drink clean water or having the right to vote upon their own destiny.  Helping others is important.

And for "This guy would be fun to deal with".  Unhappiness is a contagious disease.  I'm very careful when playing with overtly unhappy people.
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Re: This guy would be fun to deal with
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2019, 07:10:57 PM »
Chickens will peck to death any bird that is "different".  Sadly, this common feature of many of our planet's animal life wetware (brains) is also present in primates, which we are.  In chimps, groups of over about 50 become impossible, they split and fight (and murder) the other group over food, water, territory, or just about anything. All too human.

Facist leaders and politicians  often manipulate this innate response to gain power and control;  blaming some minority group activates the "chicken brain" response.  It is a well proven manipulation that is highly effective.

This particular unfortunate vestige of our brains evolution may very well lead to our species's demise. 

"Different" people make us all uncomfortable at best, and often fearful/violent.  It is response that is more basic and powerful than reason.  We need to strive to overcome this response if we are to survive as a species as we possess the power to destroy ourselves.  There is not one race of humans that does not have both assholes and some exceptionally wonderful individuals and I suspect we have all been both at one time or another.  We are all of the same flawed design.
 








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Re: This guy would be fun to deal with
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2019, 09:37:51 PM »

Casey, Bruce,

It is clear to me as it will be to Bob, that as I have found before, You have never lived, worked, or done business with these people or understand the culture and attitudes they harbor. have worked a bit with a fella at work is not  the same thing as being surrounded b them and being able to observe first hand.
Therefore you have the understandable and charitable outlook which would be appropriate to afford most people but is misplaced in this case. 
They want to live amoungst westerners to escape the Violent  shitholes that are the norm in every country they call their own and created for themselves but then hold nothing but contempt and hate for the people that take them into their countries where they decide to live and are hell bent on destroying the local culture to replace it with their own.

They are not friends or integrate with anyone outside their own kind, not because others ostracize them, but because in their teachings they are not ALLOWED to be friends with anyone outside their own circles.  Verifiable and well known fact.

They Do NOT assimilate, integrate, or want anything to do with any country they  come to  unlike every other people I know personally, which has a dis-similar belief system, they just want to tear it down and fleece if for all it is worth. They openly say that, it's not a secret but at the same time they are also known and taught  to lie, cheat, steal and take advantage of infidels wherever they can.  They will say things like Love and peace and friendship when they truly mean, hate, kiill and Pillage.  Again, Putting on the public face and saying what is want to be heard as against what they relly believe is an ingrained teaching of their beliefs.

Again this sounds extremist which is something they hide behind constantly claiming they are angelic little cherubs that are mis understood and persecuted which could not be further from the truth. This is why one needs to have experience with them first hand to realise what a dangerous and incompatible group of people they truly are.

As I said, had you lived, worked, done business with and just experienced the attitude of these people towards others and they hatred they hold to all others not of their kind, I guarantee you would have a different disposition towards them.

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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2019, 09:46:49 PM »
Listen to all the poop you want it really boiled down to the states rights to buy and sell people.  Actually these states were offered status quo but they declared war for the ability to bring new states in as slavery is OK states.

It would be so nice if they taught the real reasons behind that war. There was so much more too it. But I digress. Everyone just wants to boil it down to one issue. Oddly enough it is the one that that is most divisive, go figure.

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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2019, 09:56:19 PM »
OK chaps - this is one of those discussions which, sad to say, has the potential to dump this forum in trouble... I don't know, TBH, if we're governed by US or UK laws (ownership is US, hosted in the UK), but if the UK law has anything to say about it, they can get pretty nasty over racist stuff. I don't need that kind of shit in my life, so I'm going to lock this thread, but not delete it (unless I get enough valid complaints, or if any law enforcement make moves...)  We're pretty far off the radar here (we're no Facebook), but it only takes one stupid complaint to cause a boatload of trouble.

Sorry chaps, that's just the way it is. Almost any other subject is fair game.
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