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More profit over peoples health.
« on: January 24, 2019, 01:29:38 PM »
Something I came across I thought may be of interest.

It's a short Doco on the effects of Wind Turbines and the ultra low frequency sound they generate.
Scientifically proven, legally rubbished. Of course.  The effects are very detrimental. Just because we can't hear something does not mean we are not affected by it.

Just another thing they know they are doing to us but won't admit. Cigarette Science I think Bruce calls it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1690&v=ywWNx3OJyuo
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2019, 06:24:04 PM »
A nearby county approved a big wind farm with huge turbines, with 500 foot setback for adjacent properties.  This for towers a bit taller than that.  Fortunately no homes there yet, but imagine trying to sell land next to that.  I'm all for wind power but think property owners need to be treated fairly, and setbacks increased dramatically.

Another interesting problem is living in the shade of the spinning props in fall through winter when the sun angle puts large amounts of land in the biological frequency ''blink'' shadows of the blades.  People there find they can't work outside as it affects them badly, even though they don't have epilepsy.  Our brains are very sensitive to any kind of brain wave frequency stimulus, including the idiotic 10hz packet rate for GSM cellular (bursts of microwaves at 10 Hz).

Government does a fine job of working as promoter and liability limiter for big business, as you would expect for someone who is dependent on them for campaign money. It's a simple case of follow the money. Until we change that, "democracy" is a farce.

 


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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2019, 07:07:32 PM »
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Government does a fine job of working as promoter and liability limiter for big business, as you would expect for someone who is dependent on them for campaign money. It's a simple case of follow the money. Until we change that, "democracy" is a farce.
Being seriously challenged and being a farce are a bit apart.  For those of us in the US this would be powder for the cannon known as Amendment 28.  I'd post a link but that would be just a creep to near where few of us want information blogs like LEF to go.

PS:  Video links work best if they set to the beginning before copying them to a link.  Although the <6 cents a KW in the Middle East was interesting video too especially when you consider that was in 2016.  (OK, I didn't watch the entire 46 minutes but the first 6 minutes looked good.)
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2019, 10:12:09 AM »

Came across some more articles about these wind turbines today.

They are proposing to put a heap more in around Oz as part of the greenwashed  100% RE mindset.
the articles I was reading were from different parts of the world and while i'm usualy a bit complacent about things as somone seems to Bitch about any progress being made, I think the evidence is far too strong to be dismissed.

When you can measure all sorts of things from sound pressure waves to vibrations and see the changes in surrounding nature, that's hard to dismiss even though of course big biz and gubbermints would swear white was black and change bring in a laws to change what people had know for 1000 years if it was in their financial interest to do so.

This is just going to be something else that is inflicted on us for greed and profit even though those behind it have to be aware of how detrimental it is.
Wind really is just a complete and utter farce over all.  The cost, the blight on the landscape, the environmental damage, the low  returns on investment and the of course erratic nature make it something that should be stopped before if does any more damage.

The minute you criticize any RE to the disciples the retort is " Well what's your solution?"
I don't have solutions but then i'm not promoting anything that causes more problems either.  My strategy is stick with the tired and true until something that really is better and less harmful comes along.  Wind from what I can see for a lot of people would be worse than FF emissions and giving it as much credit as possible, in the big picture, it's certainly no better.

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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2019, 04:37:47 PM »
Sticking with coal has a predicable outcome.  All that's need for wind is much bigger setbacks, and fair compensation for nearby land and home owners.

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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2019, 05:34:45 PM »
It's fantastic that we've been able to offset our total energy consumption by just over 2% using wind and solar.

Remember, the electric grid is only about a third of national energy consumption. Automobiles make up 16%.

An enormous quantity of energy goes towards heating homes and businesses. Wind and solar simply can't do that, it can't even make a dent.
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2019, 10:17:45 PM »

Here in oz several states have now adopted a 50% renewable energy generation by 2030 policy.

Many people are very worried by this, even those pro RE because they can see it's unrealistic, going to cause massive problems and ultimately derail the whole RE cause because people will blame it for the problems that everyone bar the pollies and the greenwashed can see and will admit to.

The problem is not RE, it's the idiotic gut busting hurry which the morons pushing it want it to be phased in.  They just refuse to be pacified with a gradual roll in and working together with FF till infrastructure and  technology allows a stable and reliable RE grid, they make so much noise to the effect that if we don't change over to 100% RE now we are all going to die as if Oz controls the whole worlds Climate and emissions.

We are heading for a federal election shortly and the ones currently not in power that are favoured to get control as they are more stupid than the others in bowing down to the screaming RE zealots have said they are going to go even more full on than the present crowd whom have shown just a little intelligence in restraint on this.  They have stated they want the whole country to be 50% RE by 2030 and typicaly whole they grandstand on the goal, precise details of how that will be achieved are little more than being akin to saying we can end world hunger by cooking everyone dinner.

This last week the grid has been on the edge and well over loaded with over 250K homes being load shed ( deliberately blacked out) because there wasn't enough power to go round which was predicted a week before but the energy minister was saying that morning there would be no blackouts when blind freddy could see the amount of available generation was on the edge leading up to the heatwaves and everyone knew with derating and increased consumption it wasn't going to add up.
And it didn't.

They pulled Mothballed Coal stations out of retirement Days before the event and most of them surpassed expectations. One station 50 years old was making more power than it ever had before and exceeded it's design limits for 2 straight days.
Another one which was closed and the public told would never run again was also fired up in great haste and when one of it's 3 generators fell over, the gubbermint mouth pieces said that was what caused the trouble and pointed to coal being unreliable.

They must have degree course at University in spin doctoring, complete and utter bullshit delivery and Lying with a straight face that is a required course for all politicians here.

They failed to mention the wind generation they were relying on delivered a little less than half what they were counting on and the solar farms fell well short of predictions as well due to the heat and other factors. Rooftop solar which has been being painted as a problem of late was the only thing that propped up the system and prevented a complete melt down.
It was the 2nd highest producer of power after coal in some places and gas in others.

They rolled out the big Diesel Fired generators and ran the arse off them for many hours sucking down  TWO tanker loads of fuel per HOUR! Such an improvement on the coal fired station they were set up to replace.

The Big battery fell on it's arse as well. As the price of wholesale power went through the roof, the battery was brought into play as a money spinner not as it's much touted benefit of propping up the grid. After 90 min it was spent and demand was still through the roof as solar generation fell off and people started coming home and firing up more AC, cooking dinner etc.
Real benefit of the Big bullshit battery was in fact Nil to the grid but no doubt made about 1.5M for the owners.... that got the thing free paid for by the gubbermint.

Of course now the greenwashed are saying what a great success it was and pushing to build the things everywhere.

The pet RE being touted now is a Pumped Hydro Scheme called Snowy mountains 2.0. back in the '50s we did  a huge and highly successful Hydro power scheme that was probably the most intelligent and well thought out and executed civil engineering accomplishment ever done in this country to date.
Typicaly, SM2 is no where near the the level of practacality of the original scheme and is frought with problems and serious questions from the start.  It requires tunneling though rock unsuitable for the idea for 26 Km and locating a power station 850M underground.  Unlike the original scheme, it does not rely on natural waterfall but rather Pumping water up when there is supposed power and bringing it back down when there is none.  Of course this assumes there will be the massive amounts of power for pumping available in the first place.

The price of the project is eye watering and of course everyone knows that is more bullshit and any civil works the gubbermint is paying for will at least blow out to double and probably triple as pretty much any project you can point to here in the last 10 years has done with some noteable current projects being behind time and the gubbermint wishing they were ONLY  running triple cost blowouts.

I was always of the understanding that we had gas reserves for 1000 years basically but it seems we are pushing to have 1000 days supply atm.  Consequently no one is looking to that for significant generation and it's even being severely doubted as a stop gap emergency peak load soloution. Don't know where all the gas went but we are apparently still selling massive amounts for next to nothing to Asia.

Today is going to be another testing day in this state. More forced blackouts are predicted and they are getting far closer to home. If ever there was an honest reason to put in a generator for home, it's to have power next summer because even the RE proponents whom are realistic are saying that would be far from a given for a lot of people next summer and it's going to get worse before it gets better.

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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2019, 11:26:53 PM »
Hey Glort, get the generator hooked up, temperatures for parts of Sydney will exceed 40 C today. Very likely to be black outs again.

Did you see that press conference in Victoria? Some stupid government woman explaining that we were not suffering blackouts but rolling blackouts, half way through her press conference the lights went out. Funniest thing I have seen in a long time.

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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2019, 01:51:13 AM »

Yep, that was the same stupid cow that was the one that gave press conferences in the morning saying there would be no blackouts when later in the day over 250K homes were without power.

Saying they weren't blackouts but rolling blackouts was akin to saying I didn't punch her in the face, my hand was merely accelerated to a high velocity in the direction of and subsequently met with the front of her hollow cranium.  ::)
Couldn't hurt her appearance anyways. I think the last thing her dial was pressed against was the back of a parked bus!

This is the the sort of morons and blatant liars we have looking after our grid right now. These people ought to be locked up for fraud and criminal incompetency let alone thrown out on their fat arses.

There are blackouts presently in most of the eastern suburbs, the wealthier expensive area's of Sydney.  Bet that's going to go down like a pork Chop at a bar mitzvah! See how they spin doctor that on the 6 'o clock tonight. I'd watch to find out but I have a weak constitution for being insulted with BS and I don't want to hurl all over the nice carpet.

I was up this morning putting up more panels. I'm setting these up with non grid connection in mind although I will be able to switch them over for that as well.  Going to go get a couple of 30 Kw 3 phase motors this weekend hopefully.  I'll be able to set them up for backfeeding to rack up some credits and as stand alone. Should be big enough to overcome a lot of the IMAG  switched load issues i hope.

At 176 Kg each they should have some reactive power that's for sure.

Also going to talk to my mate about putting in a single phase split AC in which I can run from my own generator. The ducted is 3 phase which creates problems and expense.  With a split I could still have one Cool/ warm room even if there was no mains power.

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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2019, 03:41:58 AM »
Hi Glort,I was looking at you data dashboard a couple of mornings ago and Victoria were importing electricity at a cost $14,500 a megawatt hour. Someone somewhere is making an absolute killing.

Perhaps we should build an electric chair like they have in the USA. Every time there are threats of blackouts, we could strap one of these greenies and lying politicians into it and then throw the switch. I for one would be happy to put up with a blackout if I knew it meant that another of these useless buggers had gone to meet their maker.

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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2019, 05:44:35 AM »
Hi Glort,I was looking at you data dashboard a couple of mornings ago and Victoria were importing electricity at a cost $14,500 a megawatt hour. Someone somewhere is making an absolute killing.

They were running at that level for over 6 hours last friday Bob and they had been doing the same the day before with SA running the same rate.  After that the AEMO ( or Ei Ei Ow as is a more fitting abbreviation) put a market cap of $300  mwh because the power companies accounts were getting out of hand.

I have been reading some more today on the situation but i'm going to have to stop. it's playing on my mind too much and causing me anxiety attacks.
You are spot on with the electric chair. No need for blackouts though, even my little IMAG generator can produce 600V @ 10A for long enough to despatch these blights of  humanity. I could clean the whole lot of them out and the crooked company board members at the same time with just 20L of less of veg oil.

The whole grid/ RE/ FF debacle is just getting plain dangerous now. The whole system is so Corrupt it's like something out of some 3rd world African dictator run shit hole.  Everyone is Talking BS, everyone is blaming everyone else and NO ONE is doing anything to help the problem but everything to make it a LOT worse.

I was just reading that the coal power plants are highly suspected to have not failed at all but were deliberately taken off line to push the price of power up and to further the renewable argument.  The same companies own the FF stations as they do the RE ones. The generators want RE, mainly solar, because it is cheaper to produce power with. the fact there will be none at night is irrelevant to them, they are better off making power at higher demand times being the day and saving on their costs.

If there is no power during the night or it is ridiculously expensive, then the peak will become the day and the extra revenue they will get will cover the non generation periods.
The amount of greed and manipulation of a country's welfare here is totally beyond belief. I'm not one to believe a lot of the crap that is touted in the media and political forums but when I look at a variety of non vested interet sources and they all say the same thing..... I do get worried.


I found this article on the logistic of Wind and solar.
i'm not holding it out to be gospel but it certainly raises an interesting point at least worth fact checking to put things into perspective.  The Crux of the article is how much land area will a 100% RE grid take?
The answer is a LOT!  There is also teh question of what sort of environmental impact will it all cause? Tens of thousands of acres of panels, the same for turbines, only the most ignorant would deny it has to have some sort of effect.

https://stopthesethings.com/2019/01/23/fantastic-nonsense-claims-about-all-wind-solar-powered-future-completely-implausible/

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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2019, 05:51:23 AM »

One other thing that shows the way our whole system is being played is the fact the states can be importing AND exporting power at the same time.

Quite obviously buying it cheap and selling at markup. Wonder who pays for that?
With the industry in Oz forcast to make $2.7 Bn this year, I don't have to wonder for long though.

It's all a money game. Nothing to do with reliable and affordable supply of an essential service, just something to create the most offensive profits possible.  When it all crashes in a smoking heap, those responsible will walk away with fat golden handshakes and the suckers ( US!) will have to pay more again to try and stick it all back together.

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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2019, 06:27:40 AM »
Sadly, about the only sane way to get out of this mess would be rapid development of the LFTR (Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor), putting reactors everywhere there is water to run the steam generator turbines. Steam turbines use a LOT of water. They will need to be mass produced, and containerized.  Coupled with a huge expenditure on accelerated battery technology development.

Canada and the US NE will never have enough solar and wind to support the current population in the manner in which they are presently accustomed to. 

If you look at the new research on freshwater aquifers used for irrigation of food crops around the world drying up, you'll see that we are living on borrowed water.  NASA has a satellite with laser interferometer imaging to "see" aquifer volumes.  It's spooky.  Every country has the same sort of dopey water rights laws, so nothing can/has been done.

https://gracefo.jpl.nasa.gov/resources/48/map-of-groundwater-storage-trends-for-earths-37-largest-aquifers/

Some serious challenges ahead for humans.  Blaming other humans won't help.













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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2019, 08:23:19 AM »
Hi Guys, the more I read about this and the challenges facing humanity the more depressed I get. The suicidal consumerism and globalization that has taken over our planet is making a very great deal of money for a very small percentage of the population, while doing enormous damage to the climate, the environment, wildlife, water tables and the oceans; not to mention the plight of the poor and disenfranchised around the world. None of this is sustainable, nor is growth in population or economic/industrial output. I am so glad I am old and f*cked up, I have little or nothing to loose. Our children will be paying the price for our stupidity, greed and profligacy for generations to come, that`s if they find a way to survive at all.

How much would it cost for the rapid development of LFTR reactors and how long would it take? What are the chances of getting our useless politicians and greedy energy company executives to back such a role out when it will eat into their immediate profits, taxes and backhanders?

Perhaps we need to set up a not for profit energy company to develop and build this technology. I suspect that organisations like the Gates foundation could be persuaded to back such a project. The problem would be how to keep control of such a world changing technology out of the hands of the greedy and stupid people that got us in this mess in the first place.

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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2019, 08:54:15 AM »
I wouldn't let it get you down, Bob.

As noted on dozens of occasions on here, we are the granddad generation now, our kids, and soon our grandkids, are the ones who should be sorting it out.

I understand that it's our generation that's mostly in charge, where ever you are on the planet, but there's enough of a population between 20 and 40 years old to make a hell of a political noise, provided it can unplug it's self from it's Iphones etc. and take a moment to smell the coffee.

If we, who are in our 60's, live another 20 years I'm sure we'll catch the start of the 'Mad Max' meltdown, we might even be of some use, given our knowledge of the more basic forms of engineering. We've had the best bits of our lives, with us and the generations before us buggering up the planet, we'll only be paying the price in our last few years, if at all.

So cheer up, service the Lister, and have another beer, as Guy Martin's granddad was wont to say 'When you's dead, you's dead'

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