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Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
« on: September 23, 2018, 10:19:59 AM »
Hi Chasingcars, and welcome to the forum where old guy like me hang out once we have stopped chasing girls, reading pornography and getting drunk.

So you have petrol Lister that will only run for about a minute. You have checked the fuel side of things and all is OK. A couple of things spring to mind the first is that a minute of running produces a lot of heat, especially in things like the valves. If the valve tappet clearance is too tight you will start to loose compression as the valves heat and grow in length. Second is faulty high tension lead that can also get warm and fail. Try starting it in the dark, if there is lightening running all over the HT lead replace it.

You don`t tell us which model of Lister petrol engine you have so it`s very difficult to provide any further advice at this time. Just a thought, if the fuel is gravity fed to a carburetor try unscrewing the fuel filler cap, some of these have a breather hole in them that can get blocked, any slight vacuum will prevent fuel flowing to the float chamber.

Bob

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Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2018, 12:46:40 PM »
Hey Jonhdoh, so do I occasionally, I also smoke too much (tobacco not weed). My doctor doesn`t approve of my doing either, keep telling him that giving up all the things I enjoy probably won`t make me live longer, it`ll just feel like longer cos I`m so miserable!  :laugh:

Bob

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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2018, 01:27:30 PM »
Hey Bob
I have been using an ecig for the last few years, different addiction but no coughing any more. I'm too old to chase girls and porno seems like instructions to me now and I already know what to do! So it's the shed some Jim Beam, country music and the music of old engines
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Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2018, 02:23:26 PM »
Hey Paul, my Father told me years ago, that looking at porn would send me blind, He didn`t tell me that it would take nearly 60 years. It would be a shame to go blind having never seen some of the finer things in life.

I have looked at and even tried some of the vaporizing ecigs, trouble is I am addicted to Nicotine and the government in Australia has banned the sale of nicotine containing ecigs and vapors. I have a mate who has lung cancer and has given up tobacco products, he has to illegally import nicotine vapor liquid from New Zealand.

Just when you think you are making some progress there is always some government dick head to spoil it for us all!

Bob

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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2018, 03:43:54 PM »
he has to illegally import nicotine vapor liquid from New Zealand.

I have to go to NZ again in November to shoot dancing girls.
IF you want, I can try to post you some Nicotine Juice. Just have to tell me exactly what it is as I have no clue.  I'll post it but won't try bringing it back with me. The way my luck goes, I'd get hauled aside, taken to a room and asked to drop my drawers and touch my toes while some bloke with a rubber glove...... Ugggh, doesn't bear thinking about!!

I did smuggle some Contraband last time I went.  Bought my boy back a Slingshot.  Disassembled the thing and split it up. The frame I disguised as a bit of camera gear, My daughter tied the rubber sling through the top of her shoes where it was in plain sight and the handle went in my wifes make up bag.
Not a problem but then again, NZ customs is about as switched on as the lady at the front of Kmart checking bags as people leave the store. 

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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2018, 08:42:09 PM »
It's like when I turned up at the doctors for my annual inspection, completely knackered and unable to even touch my toes. I asked the Doc what the fudge was wrong with me and he said.........

'Remember the twenty years you hoped to gain through clean living, not smoking, avoiding alcohol and not letting excess sexual activity strain you body'?

i said 'Yep'

He said 'Well, this is them'...........

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Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2018, 09:48:17 PM »
It's a bloody lottery, isn't it?

There's sort of a graph/curve/continuum thing with "Longevity" on one axis and "Quality of Life" on the other - and you can kinda have lots of either but not both . . . .

It's like the Maintenance Engineer's standard joke/response to customers:  You can have any two of "Good", "Cheap" and "Fast"  - as in: You can have a cheap job and it'll be fast, but it won't be good, or you can have a good job and we can do it fast - but it won't be cheap . . . .

Or, as I tell my service customers:  We charge $65 per hour for our engineers.  Or $100 per hour if the customer is watching.  Or $120 per hour if the customer is watching and helping . . .

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Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2018, 10:12:02 PM »
eCig juice

Can cause cause the same sort of problems as Popcorn Lung, from the vapors condensing in your lungs.  It's pretty much like smoking, but without the carbon monoxide.

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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2018, 09:45:35 AM »
My sister-in-law a 20+ a day smoker keeps telling me how bad ecigs are. They may well cause problems I don't know but I will bet they are better than inhaling smoke. The two groups of people in Ireland that are the loudest anti ecig shouters are cigarette smokers and the smug git "i don't smoke so why would you" types along with the ex-smokers. God preserve me from born again Christians, reformed alcoholics and ex smokers there's no hoor like a reformed hoor!
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2018, 11:16:03 AM »

I had a quick look at this following Bob's heads up and saw a few sites saying the vapor was better.  A lot of the bad effects from smoking are the chemicals of combustion and additives such as those to keep the bunger from going out like roll yer own's do.  The statements from docs that have researched this is that while the vaping won't exactly add 20 years to your life expectancy, it's MUCH less harmful than tobacco  Ciggys.

I also saw Bob that it IS in fact legal to import the juice from NZ.  Quick search turned up a number of sites selling it to oz out of NZ. Apparently you can order up to 3 months worth at a time legally.

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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2018, 01:24:22 PM »
Very glad it is legal to import it from NZ cos that is what I have been doing for my neighbor with lung cancer. I order it for him online and pay using my PayPal account, he refunds me the money in cash which my Wife then goes and spends. No good turn ever goes unpunished!  :laugh:

The guy mixes up his own vapor medication, it`s a mixture of cannabis extract (which he grows himself) nicotine and industrial ethanol. He`s been sick for a long time and has had many rounds of Chemo, he must be in a lot of pain but he never complains and is always happy. Hat off to him for finding a way to stay positive and happy in a very difficult situation. (in his case it is hat on as all his hair fell out due to the Chemo)

My best advice is don`t smoke it`s expensive. Spend your money on wine, women and song, anything you have left you should waste on paying the bills.

Bob

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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2018, 04:18:43 PM »

The guy mixes up his own vapor medication, it`s a mixture of cannabis extract (which he grows himself) nicotine and industrial ethanol.

Ethanol is Booze but " industrial" ethanol sound like something that could be roughly distilled ( or made from natural gas) with the tails still it it which are normally removed for drinking purposes.  These tails can be quite toxic.  Don't know much more than that, perhaps if they are present they burn off more harmlessly than if consumed as a fluid?


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He`s been sick for a long time and has had many rounds of Chemo, he must be in a lot of pain but he never complains and is always happy. Hat off to him for finding a way to stay positive and happy in a very difficult situation. (in his case it is hat on as all his hair fell out due to the Chemo)

I don't know how anyone could stay positive in a situation like that. better than me. I haven't got the guts and fortitude he clearly has.
One of my greatest fears is cancer. My mother in law died from it and I nursed my father in law with it for 12 Months till we lost him.
It is a truly cruel, evil and vile disease. If I ever get it, I won't be hanging round till it gets me. Those last stages are beyond description and a person would be better off bypassing them and going straight to the inevitable  for both themselves and their loved ones.

You are a bloody good man for helping him Bob. Doubly so in light of your own difficulties.

A friend once asked me to do family Pictures for a friend of theirs that had Cancer. Had to be put off a few times due to her taking ill then one day I got a call and he said if you are free, come now.  I did and we got some nice shots with her and the husband and her 2 Little boys, 10 and 8 yo.
They wore the clothes in the pics she had gone and bought for them to wear to her funeral. I'll never forget her telling me that and wondering how in hell she must have felt.

I edited the pics soon as we were done and printed them on mates high end printer. Mate had already got frames and we put a collection of prints together and put them on the table to show her as they would be on the wall.  She said they were beautiful but seemed quiet and dissappeard into the bathroom for a long while. When she came out I asked if the session had been too much for her?  I did it in record time because her boys could not have been more co-operative but I knew she was not well.
She hugged me and thanked me and said that was the last thing she had left on her list. She said she didn't think it would be able to get done but she loved the pictures and now she could die content knowing her boys would have nice pictures of them all together as a family.
I was the one in the bathroom for a while after she told me that.

On the way home she got very ill and her husband too her back to the hospital. She was gone the next morning. 
Took me months to get over that.  Never met this woman before but they all got to me severely and those little boys were the same age as when my brother and I lost our mother to a car accident and it brought stuff home again. Never realised how little we were till I saw them and hoped to hell things would pan out better for them than they did for me.

Someone heard about me doing this and contacted me to ask if I would be prepared to volunteer my services to others like that family and to also photograph still born babies with parents and siblings .
 Not a chance.  While I'd love to help those people and will forever feel a bastard for saying no, there is no way I have an ounce of what that would take. Once was more than enough. I know it was a nice thing I did but I don't have the balls or emotional strength to distance myself from it.  I'd end up completely out of my mind inside a few days seeing people go through that. How nurses and doctors do it, I have no idea.

I really wonder if there is a cure for cancer and the medical industry withholds it because there is more money in treatment than cure or prevention?
Sure a conspiracy theory, but I put nothing as being beyond possibility these days.
They have been at it a long time now and from what I have seen, little has changed in the treatment thereof.

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My best advice is don`t smoke it`s expensive.

Only time I smoke is when I'm on fire and I generally try to avoid that! :o

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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2018, 12:50:32 AM »
Hey Glort, yes it`s a vile disease, I know five people locally with it, two of them are mothers with young children. How their families will cope I have no idea.

Wouldn`t surprise me at all to find that there is a cure that is being withheld for financial reasons. The other problem is that there are really only four killer diseases left: cancer, heart disease, stroke and dementia. Any clinical trial of a successful cancer treatment will show an increased risk of dying from one of the other three diseases. Hence the new treatment will be labeled as causing heart disease, stroke or dementia and may be denied drug administration approval.

I watched my Aunt die of lymphoma, took twelve months. She was in a wonderful hospice near Cardiff, the staff were caring and managed to keep her pain free. I watched her put away a three course meal the day before she died, She was happy and chatty. The following day she was gone. Cancer doesn`t have to be scary or painfull.

Bob

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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2018, 01:25:02 AM »
Bob, it's naive to think that everyone will do as well as your relative with morphine, though that's also the thought of young idiot MDs who haven't seen many painful deaths.  Liver cancer is almost always a gruesome, painful death, as with your liver shot, you can't handle the morphine.  Likewise anyone with any sort of liver disorder (common in MS). Many people can become utterly deranged on high levels of opiates, having terrifying halucinations yet still in pain.  Anyone with brain inflamation/infection will be in pain, as opiates increase spinal fluid pressure and thus increase the head pain.  (I'm in that group, and the MS-liver problems group.)  In some places, Hospice can use extreme measures and up the morphine until unconsciousness followed by death, but in others, this is not allowed or the staff is too afraid of repercussions. 

I am a fan of Hospice, they helped my Dad's ALS exit along though he was begging to go days before, but think that their toolset should be expanded way beyond Morphine, and that anyone should have the right to say "enough" at any time and be assisted with any and all means.  At present in the US, they are only allowed to opiate you to death, and sometimes that's a long, drawn out horror show.





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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2018, 12:16:40 AM »
Hey BruceM, sorry to hear you are in the group for which morphine is less effective. There are alternative synthetic drugs now but I don`t know how effective or toxic they are.

In terminal patients it is common practice to slowly increase the opiate dose until it becomes lethal. This is legal as the prescribing physician can show the need for this level of pain relief, a nasty slow way to die.

A much kinder way and one practiced by doctors in my Father`s era, is to prescribe opiates and write "nil by mouth" on the patients chart. Opiates suppress thirst, a patient will usually die of dehydration within three days with out ever knowing they were thirsty.

Bob