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old seagull man

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Changing the fuel filter on a china diesel to something more comon
« on: September 09, 2018, 02:59:06 PM »
Has  anyone changed there Chinese diesels filter to something we can buy easily? Something  that's a CAV or Delphi  Ryco Fram, even Lucas  clone or something else common?

Wondering how hard it would be on the S195.




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Re: Changing the fuel filter on a china diesel to something more comon
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2018, 04:07:41 PM »

Having used a number of them, I would not touch those filters with a barge pole, 3 barge poles in the application you are looking at.  The list of problems is long and undignified and there are far better alternatives. The housings are expensive, prone to air leaks, Fragile with the glass bowl and the filters aren't that cheap now either.

You would be far better with the common disposable type that are $3 ea from supercheap.  Buy a few and splice them into the fuel line with a couple of clamps. Easy.

The other better alternative is the metal canned sealed filters.  Come on a range of vehicles and in different shapes and sizes but I use the 98-2010 Subaru Type.  Unless you are pouring crap into your tank, you'll put one of these on and never have to change it again.



Pretty much any Filter from a vehicle will do what you want, best to find one with the same fuel line size although in my experience the line on the china diesels is 8mm same as common on a lot of vehicles.

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Re: Changing the fuel filter on a china diesel to something more comon
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2018, 01:58:16 PM »
Yes, the 195's are easy to adapt to a different filter.
Although the canister filter that they come with is pretty good.

The 195 has an external flexible fuel hose so simply splice a new inline filter into that hose between the fuel tank and the existing canister filter. Then remove the paper element from the stock canister.
You will need to make some sort of a bracket to hold the new filter to the engine.
Keep the whole filter/hose assembly running in a downhill slope. Remember this is a gravity feed system.

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Re: Changing the fuel filter on a china diesel to something more comon
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2018, 04:01:54 PM »
I am with Veggie on this, no reason to change that housing other than element availability but if you cant find them that sure is a good reason to go another route.  Myself I find it a LOT easier to not remove the OEM filter housing , just remove the dirty element button it back up and put an inline made for diesel service in front of it, Kubota uses lots of them,so do others. I would not reccomend an auto parts store filter made for lawn mowers. All that being said the easiest solution by far is to simply purchase the elements that fit the housing. You are in the USA are you not? Those filters and housings  are a standard part in China but have have the measurements handy when you call the good folks at Masters Farm Supply, they acquired Hardy Diesel several years ago and stock most everything for Chinese diesels.  http://www.mastersfarmsupply.com/home.html I have them in stock at the shop but no reason to pay shipping here then back to you
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Re: Changing the fuel filter on a china diesel to something more comon
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2018, 11:57:28 PM »
Thanks guys for the excellent suggestions. I live in Australia, and there is no supply of these  filters here,
So its may be a trip to the Kabota parts list.

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Re: Changing the fuel filter on a china diesel to something more comon
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2018, 01:07:53 AM »
Why not just fit something like this?

Off the shelf in NZ so probably also in Oz

Something like 6 or 10 micron, I forget

Comes with a bracket as part of the casting

Has two sets of "in" and "out" so you can have in and out on either side or both on the same side

Elements available off the shelf at AutoKraft

I fitted this last month to a 3-cyl Hyundai diesel driving a 15kVa alternator.  It's original unit was mounted behind the intake manifold where it was impossible to get at - consequently no-one ever serviced it

They are as common as a Corolla

They have provision for a bleeder on the top as well as a return-line fitting if needed

The threads are some odd NPT thing that's very close to 1/4 BSPT and I just re-cut the threads (remembering to blow out the alloy shards)

Don't give me a hard time about the thread seal tape OK?

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Re: Changing the fuel filter on a china diesel to something more comon
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2018, 01:09:19 AM »
Oh, and they have a water-drain fitting on the bottom and the bottom of the unit is clear so you can see if there is sediment build-up or water accumulation

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Re: Changing the fuel filter on a china diesel to something more comon
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2018, 01:14:10 AM »
Oh, I see these have been suggested before but dismissed by the ever-vigilant Glort lol

FWIW some of these I see on diesels we service are so old the aluminium is oxidised and the rubber hoses are brittle - but they still seem to work fine.  Personally, I have never experience any probs at all with them; and wouldn't anticipate doing so in a low-pressure, gravity-feed situation.  They are reccommended to us by the local diesel specialists who suggest we not use in-line ones as they tend to be of "consumer automotive" quality rather than industrial grade

Everyone has an opinion, I guess

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Re: Changing the fuel filter on a china diesel to something more comon
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2018, 04:10:12 AM »
Oh, I see these have been suggested before but dismissed by the ever-vigilant Glort lol

Your ( eventual) powers of observation are amazing Mike!     ;D

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Re: Changing the fuel filter on a china diesel to something more comon
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2018, 07:39:16 AM »
We have similar units here that are Parker Racor and they are excellent. All over our ebay for reasonable prices. Maybe the issue with those is made by Lucas which is universally sworn at here.
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Re: Changing the fuel filter on a china diesel to something more comon
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2018, 08:32:11 AM »
Yes, I have never seen any probs with these either

There will be a reason Joseph Lucas was always referred to as the "Prince of Darkness" . . . . back when I had an old K-series Bedford and my friends had old Bonnevilles and Saints and Nortons and Matchlesses etc (we're talking circa 1975) one of the commonest requests I used to get was "Mike, can I borrow the K to go collect the (enter Norton, Triumph, BSA to suit)?" and the Prince of Darkness was usually referenced as the cause of the problem . . .

FWIW my experience with the automotive inline small, sealed filters is that some are for various forms of common-rail engine and their one-micron (or sub) filters don't serve older, gravity-feed systems well.  I don't know how you'd tell which one was five microns and which was one?  Either way - I'd guess they are more filtration than you need?

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Re: Changing the fuel filter on a china diesel to something more comon
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2018, 11:52:42 AM »
I still have a couple of BSA's, a B40 and an A65, neither has anything of the early electrics.

The B40 has a 'chainsaw' type and the A65 has a Boyer Bransden bit of kit which uses the alternator, a modern one!, and has lights as well.

A few weeks back I fired the A65 up after around 3 years, new fuel was all it needed.

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Re: Changing the fuel filter on a china diesel to something more comon
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2018, 09:32:13 PM »
If you look at the old Starfire posts - that is what he does - for a living, I think  (and maybe where his handle comes from?) - modern, solid-state ignition systems and the like to replace "points" type systems

As a young man pushing Nortons & Triumphs on a hot Hawkes Bay summer's day I used to recall the common wisdom of the day:  "Joseph Lucas says - don't go out after dark!"