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Willw

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2018, 10:14:40 PM »
Looking good so far. :)

The camshaft must be removed before the lower half of the lifter can be removed.

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2018, 12:55:34 AM »
Hi Willw

Thanks for reply. tell me if they have to be unscrewed.

And for the comunity please give opinion of my drowing about CAV fuel pump. I dig a lot, but not find good info for reassemble.

This is a 12/2, so I toke more attention tearing apart the second one. and making my notes.

All the best.
Pedrosa
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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2018, 01:01:24 AM »
Maybe a picture... Also

ATENTION! ATENTION!

My apologies to everyone. Today I assembled the fuel pump and I realised the alignment Control sleeve notch must match 8th groove of control rod (just in the midlle. More simple count 7 teeth for each side).

Here is the updated picture.

All the best.
VP
« Last Edit: September 10, 2018, 08:59:00 PM by sirpedrosa »

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2018, 03:32:01 AM »
[urlhttps://www.stationaryengineparts.com/Lister-CS-and-L-Tappet-Set.html][/url]

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2018, 08:28:46 PM »
Good evening everyone

Another saturday in the cave. Both CAVs are ready to deploy (final tighting will be done when timing the machine).

To celebrante the endeavor it's fair some 30cc of barley cetanes.

Cheers!
Pedrosa

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2018, 09:16:39 PM »
Hi Pedrosa, just be sure you got it right here is a picture showing how it should be. Wish I could join you in having a beer but it`s 8 in the morning here in Australia.

Bob

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« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2018, 10:26:12 PM »
Hi Ajaffa first

For now this forum is still interesting, although I had better expectations, and of course that touching ideas and experiences with someone on the other side of the world makes it worthwhile to keep hope.

I have already told everyone that I am new to this - stationary engines - because I spent endless hours watching the 12/2 of the olive oil mill in my village - which is no longer working for 20 years - and is now mine.

Of course I need the help of the guys here from the forum, because they have more experience. My job is maritime police, but since childhood the machines have always fascinated me. I graduated in computer science engineering, but cogwheels will always be the evolution of the wheel itself.

Australia for me is a continent since elementary school, and I can not even get a slight idea of ​​the size of this territory. I just know that people work hard, because it will not be easy this territory.

As for the well-deserved beer, it is promised - I will make a package that will stand the trip - and as soon as possible I have the pleasure to share the same taste with you - send PM with address. (I prefere to make a toast with you than brake a leg)

Regarding the image of my CAVs BPF1B870CS6253, they have two dots - one on each side of the rack - so I'd contributed with an edited image noting that the pinion notch should match the midlle groove of the rack.

So far I have not yet been able to get someone to tell me the torque value in the "delivery valve holder". But I know that there will be a soul that hears me.

I wish you a sunny sunday.
All the best
Pedrosa

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2018, 11:26:51 PM »
Hi Pedrosa, thanks for the offer of a beer. Sadly I`m not allowed to drink them because of my heart medications. So while you are enjoying alcohol, I`m stuck with a cup of tea (not even allowed coffee). I do sometimes have a glass of red wine for medicinal purposes. (maintaining my sanity)  :laugh:

Yes Australia is enormous and mostly uninhabited. The majority of people live close to the coastline where the climate is better. Central Australia is pretty much a desert, we even have herds of wild camels!

Don`t know the answer to your question about the correct torque for the delivery valve holder. I`ve always just tightened them up tight with a spanner, don`t over tighten as it will deform the sealing ring. If it starts to leak tighten it a bit more. The critical issue in this simple system is the pop pressure which is set on the fuel injectors. You will need a test rig to set them up correctly. I have heard of people counting the number of turns during dis assembly. Replicating this would set the pop pressure pretty close on reassembly assuming that you don`t have to replace any parts.

Always sunny here, we are in the middle of a record beating drought. What we need is spring rain but then I`ll have to start cutting the bloody grass again (10 acres).

You are welcome to email me at ajaffa1@yahoo.co.uk

Bob




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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2018, 12:45:55 AM »
Hi Ajaffa first

By now is 1h25, I'm arriving from the cave taking off brass rack sleve of bryce fuel pump of petter paz1, to order new rebild kit (i only need this sleves and rack and rack rubbers, but uk only selles all the stuff - and gold price!).

cheers again for that glass of sanity. I also take 2 pills for blod pressure, but there is nothing like that blood color (!). I know spring season is comming there, so don't bother let it pass thru, and count another year. A beer or a glass of 'good' wine it's not alcohol is realy sanity.

By the way, thanks for your tighten eye meter advise. I have already noticed that the indicated tightness is determined by the injector, that is, if there is no leakage between the pump and the injector (and this one works fine) the tightness is good.

BR
Pedrosa
PS: Is time to sleep.

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2018, 07:57:43 AM »
Hi Pedrosa, hope you slept well. Just a warning about fuel injector testing. Please keep your hands well away when doing the testing, the pressures involved will easily inject diesel through your skin into your blood stream. I have heard stories of diesel engineers having limbs amputated after being injected with diesel. Please be careful.

Bob

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2018, 08:05:17 AM »

The safer working fluid to use is new Vegetable oil. 
The body can break that down if it does penetrate the skin as it's just a fat and it's non toxic to humans unlike Diesel.
It won't affect the pop off pressures or the spray pattern but it is a LOT safer to use.

 Firing injectors can cause Diesel vapors/ mist which is something one best avoid breathing where veg oil is harmless if it is inhaled. 

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2018, 08:18:40 AM »
Hey Glort, very good advice. Vegetable oil is a lot safer than diesel and just as good.

Health and safety advice from Captain Dangerous should be heeded!

Bob

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2018, 09:02:30 AM »
Hi Pedrosa, just a thought, you say that the engine you have used to run an olive oil press, when you were a child. I`m wondering if they used some of the pressed oil as fuel, could be the earliest evidence of Lister`s running on straight vegetable oil.

Bob

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2018, 03:22:54 PM »
Hi Bob

Making engines work with other non-diesel fuel, I think is a recent thing - maybe derived from experiences of lack of diesel in desperation, or the traditional crazy dudes of experiences.

Diesel (and all fuels) here in portugal - in ancient times (and now???) - was a highly state-controlled fuel, and making an engine work with something other than "official fuel" gave a prison sentence.

Check the photo of another engine 12/2 that my neighbor has: it has a registration plate of the motor, to say the effective power, issued by the government.

BR
Pedrosa

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2018, 09:15:53 PM »
Wow, locking up your citizens for not buying fuel from the state run monopoly is a new low, I thought Portugal was a democracy not a dictatorship. The American members are always complaining about their Environmental Protection Agency, no match for your government regulations.

Thankfully here in Australia fuel is reasonably cheap. The government would love to raise more revenue by increasing fuel duty but they know there would be a public revolt. The nearest shops to where I live is 100km round trip. The nearest city (Brisbane) is five hours away, the people just couldn`t afford it and the economy would collapse.

Bob