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sirpedrosa

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2018, 10:59:02 PM »
Hi bob
Portugal stills a democracy, and all democracies are not cheap!
I mean in that time - and yes, it was dictatorship time - from 30's till 74.

And do not be wrong, fuels and gunpowder always be a monopoly of state.
Nowadays government does't care if you play with an engine running on WVO, or beer, since it is just for your one fun.
As far as I can see the ideal mean of transportation that suits you, I think is a plane or a shooper.

Have a safe journey
BR
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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2018, 08:53:21 AM »
Hi Pedrosa, if I had the money for a plane or helicopter I wouldn`t be messing about with rebuilding old engines to reduce my power bill.  :laugh:

Bob

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2018, 01:18:12 PM »

Have you hooked your solar up Bob?
If so, what sort of power you getting out of that?

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2018, 05:41:22 PM »
I can't remember when, but around 5 years back the EEC came up with the idea that every private citizen could use 2000 liters of WVO, WMO, biodiesel, or SVO without notifying the relevant authority, only one country refused to mandate it..........

France!

On the up side, provided your vehicle is up together and you haven't done something like rolling through a 'stop' sign or failing to leave cyclists 3 meters at the traffic lights, where the gendarmes an slap you with an on the spot 120 fine they'd rather carry on drinking coffee and sorting out the overtime sheets.

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2018, 09:26:53 PM »
Hi everyone

DieselSpanner, please tell us what is bodering you most: that SOB gendarmes or the 120 fine? As we say, money is expensive and manytimes isn't available!

Of course rooling your car with roses or wathever other smelly flavor sorting by exhaust pipe, and escaping to the special fuel taxation, is the same that you can run but you can't hide.

Don't forget that a police officer is a job, and like all jobs there is good professionals and otheres not so.

I know you don't really mean it (I said before my job), but please tell us if you have the Bryce model NSDLA052D0359 injector manual.

That will be awesome.

Many thanks to you guys, for not letting me here talk to myself.

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Pedrosa
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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2018, 10:09:24 PM »
Hi Sirpedrosa

Neither bothers me, after almost 14 years in the military I'm more than happy with the phrase 'Don't do the crime if you can't do the time'

And I didn't refer to the gendarmes as 'SOB's, either.

Most of the things that police forces (in the western world, anyway) do are more than necessary, however France wide, the traffic section, and those on motorcycles particularly, are seen as an extra fund raising arm for the system.

On an engineering note, I don't have the manual for the Bryce pump, but bear in mind that the Listers we know and love were made for reliable service in remote locations. The knock on from this is that they can be repaired / rebuilt with the minimum of tools and information. Provided you don't hit anything too hard with a hammer or use too long an extension on your spanners you'll be ok.

Should you make a mess of something, you'll not do it twice, it's what Ed Dee calls 'Paying your school fees'

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Stef

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2018, 10:22:01 PM »
Cheer up Stef

We are in the same boat.
And yes those guys on motorcyles are ordered to raise fund for system, not only in france...

BR
Pedrosa

PS: I really need that manual, and others to have the same view from the point of view of the manufacturer.
PS2: Todays the only remote location is just our mind, a far as we refuse to learn... or relearn again anything.

BR
Pedrosa
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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2018, 12:25:05 AM »
Hi Guys, very interesting discussion about traffic cops being used to raise revenue. I have a mate who is an Australian traffic cop and tells me that they have a daily quota of fines they are expected to issue. once they have met that quota they get to go and eat doughnuts and drink coffee. Always best to get stopped by a cop at the end of his shift, he`s already met his quota and can`t be bothered with the paperwork!

Bob

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2018, 01:01:42 AM »
Hi Pedrosa, there is some injector and pup information available here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/injection/fuel1.htm

Bob

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #39 on: September 18, 2018, 01:07:20 AM »
My opinion of traffic/ general Duties Cops is very low.

Had a couple of accidents and other incidents in the last couple of years where people ran into us or we had problems through no wrong doing of our own and the cops treated us like we were criminals. Or plain didn't give a shit.  One guy was an absolute bastard.  You don't get to be the offensive smart arse he was without a lot of practice. Most of them here have an Us and them attitude. If you are not one of them, you are the enemy. The idea of looking after people is a joke with most of them. Yes, I know, there are the exceptions such as my cousin who is a country cop and always been a big teddy bear. I have no idea how he got in the job, seems he would be a very poor fit with the majority of them.
The exceptions should be the belligerent ones not the good ones but that has not been my experience with them at all.

I had dealings with a couple of Young general Duties cops a few years ago that had a lot of smart arse and superior attitude and zero compassion. They picked the very wrong day to give me shit and they got hammered in return and clearly didn't know how to deal with it. I ripped into them hard and told them exactly what I thought of their attitude and what amounted to incompetence.  They should have never been sent to deal with the job but none the less should have had the common sense to handle it better  trained or not.  As it turned out, I had to write a statement about the events of the day and made mention/ complaint of their behavior in my statement.

The young detective dealing with the matter was from the same station and was not impressed with what happened.  He showed the 2 Jnrs what I said and ripped them a new one as well. I got a sincere and lengthy apology from them obviously brought on by the detective who was clearly dismayed by my experience and was sincerely apologetic as well. He clearly had some authority over them and promised me he would make sure all the GD cops at his station would be trained so as the situation was never repeated again which I have no doubt he would have made sure of.  Hopefully it knocked some of the ingrained mentality out and put a bit of human compassion into them for future dealings.

The detective I have been dealing with for over 3 years is bloody brilliant.  Nicest guy you could hope to meet and a genuine person that goes above and beyond in his work. It's clear he DOES take things personally and does things for the sake of looking after people rather than just ticking things off his case list.  I feel lucky that he is working on the case and we get to deal with him. He's definitely the right person for the job and I'm sure has done a lot for a lot of people and made the world a better place by nailing scumbags and looking after people that need it and giving them some confidence in the system and sense of Justice.

They should have him at the academy instilling his attitude and outlook to the new cops instead of the gestapo like disposition they clearly are taught now and is the general attitude of the great majority of them.


While I have not had a traffic fine of any type in as long as I can remember, only an idiot would not see that most if not all traffic cops now are primarily a revenue raising instrument for the gubbermint and the thing of " Road safety" is just an insult to ones intelligence in being the moral cover story for a profit machine.

When there are speed camera's making Billions a year that are owned by private banks giving the cops/ gubbermint a slice of the pie, there is no doubt or denying the revenue creation aspect.

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2018, 01:33:08 AM »
Hi Pedrosa, there is some injector and pup information available here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/injection/fuel1.htm

Bob

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It's all ready scavanged.

BR
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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #41 on: September 18, 2018, 08:34:45 AM »
Hi Pedrosa just a couple of images that may assist you with your injector repairs. Hope yours look better than mine, which after dis assembly has been soaking in a sealed jar, filled with diesel, for the last twelve months.

Bob

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2018, 08:12:25 PM »
Hi everyone

Today I toke some time do separate the injector needle from nozzle. It was a bit stuked. Well soaked with that WD41 (acet+atf) and an hot air gun (150) and some precision muscle, it came out.

Next: clean everything thoroughly, and reassemble.

Have a nice time guys.
Pedrosa

PS: Bob, this one is the Bryce form Petter, the others from Lister still in place. Next days i'll bring them to clean too.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2018, 08:24:39 PM by sirpedrosa »
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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2018, 10:15:09 AM »
Hi Pedrosa, do them one at a time and reassemble before doing the second one. While parts are theoretically interchangeable worn parts are not. Jeweller`s rough can be used sparingly to lap worn surfaces back to a sealing joint, provided you flush everything after. If you find corrosion this can be removed safely by using the burned end of a wooden kebab stick, it is mildly abrasive but won`t wear steel. Light it, blow it out and rub. repeat until clean. Once again flush everything before reassembly.

Bob

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2018, 01:50:19 PM »
Hi Bob

thank you for your always appreciated advice.

For each piece I have a box or tin for, as there are no exchanges of pieces.

By the send picture of that "burned end of a wooden kebab stick".

I made some research and I find that the rust can be removed with oxalic acid "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxalic_acid".

What is your opinion?

cheers
Pedrosa
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