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Largest displacement listeroid single ?
« on: April 06, 2018, 07:28:41 PM »
Hey guys, haven't kept score of the India listeroid market in the past few years and I didnt see it mentioned in the brand roundup - anyone know what mfr or export agent currently has the largest displacement single with its rated hp less than 1000rpm ?   Not interested in oilfield engines :) just wondering who's got the largest displacement.  Last I heard it was 28/1 or 30/1.

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Re: Largest displacement listeroid single ?
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2018, 02:58:14 AM »
Depends on what you call a Listeroid?
There are 139x160 (or near) engines that are called anything from 14 to 18HP . From 700 to 1000 RPM. These share few parts with the standard stroke engines so it's a stretch to call them Listeroids in my book but that's me. The crankcase is a bit larger, block is a bit taller , most are D.I. etc etc.  Gary at Diesel Electric brought a few in and might still have some, if not I have one in stock that can be bought. Years ago quite a few were sold by the Metro guy , Sam? and rated at 16 HP.
Then you have the 155x178(or near) engines that share  nothing with a CS or Listeroid other than they have one cylinder and two flywheels. These are rated 18 tp 20 HP usually and around 700 RPM. There is at least one of those in this country that carries a Lovson nameplate. Topland in India advertises them but have been hard to deal with, bad communicators.. If you Inquire over there I am certain that any of the erectors or exporters would be glad to quote, personally I would not trust most of them out of my reach. Lovson is a good outfit and Joanna is great.
There is no standard for rating those engines and no standard of morality either. If you want to call one of them 55HP at 400 RPM just ask the importer for that and that is what will be stamped on the plate.
« Last Edit: April 07, 2018, 02:10:17 PM by 38ac »
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Re: Largest displacement listeroid single ?
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2018, 02:16:43 PM »
Thanks 38c.
I did find reference in the archives (12 years ago), to Lovson export's "Super Single". I think this is the whale I was remembering seeing mentioned.

SCL-16;  16hp / 1cyl @ 670rpm  155mm bore X 204mm stroke"SUPER" SINGLE CYLINDER $1,025.00
SCL-20;  20hp / 1cyl @ 750rpm  155mm bore X  204mm stroke"SUPER " SINGLE CYLINDER $1,140.00
SCL-22;  22hp / 1cyl @ 800rpm  155mm bore X 204mm stroke "SUPER " SINGLE CYLINDER $1,160.00


235 c.i.d. (3.85L), 6 1/8" bore, 8" stroke, 300lb. flywheels (x2), one cylinder.  I don't see it referenced on Lovson's site anymore, Looks like their top dog is now just the "SLC-12 SUMO"; 1.7liter, 12hp @ 1krpm, 127mm x 139.7mm. I suspect they would/could still deliver the SLC super single upon request.

I also see Topland still offers the "18ADI2" 3.35L 20hp/1cyl, 155mm x 177.8mm,  as their heavyweight single.

I'm guessing the Rajkot mfrs aren't selling too many of these bigger units over there, since the India exporters are still overwhelmingly advertising the 8/10/12-1 clones as their lead product.

« Last Edit: April 07, 2018, 02:19:59 PM by viking427 »

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Re: Largest displacement listeroid single ?
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2018, 09:48:40 AM »
There is no standard for rating those engines and no standard of morality either. If you want to call one of them 55HP at 400 RPM just ask the importer for that and that is what will be stamped on the plate.

Seems the Chinese Copied that as well as everything else.

Been looking at some Batteries and torches recently.

They would have you believe they make those jump start packs with 60Ah 12V batteries that will fit in your shirt pocket.
18650  cells rated at 10 Ah when the likes of Panasonic, sanyo and other known brands can only get them to 3.3 ah.
LED lights that are 100W but only draw 40w when connected to an amp meter, electronic components that make impossible power and output claims and so it goes.
They seem to get into competitions to see who can put the most farcical numbers on their run of the mill products and any resemblance to fact or reality is just not considered.

Conversely, My little China horizontal engines seem to easily outpull much larger rated engines from Western makers. 
To me, if anything they are under rather than over rated.  A very pleasant change indeed.

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Re: Largest displacement listeroid single ?
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2018, 08:33:31 PM »
We have a good clone single that is rated 18hp at 750 rpm and those will be real numbers. Others call the same thing 20hp. Perhaps bump the rpms just a little and they could be accurate.

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Re: Largest displacement listeroid single ?
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2018, 01:29:11 PM »
There used to be a guy on here with what I believe was a 20 HP single, if memory serves me.  I think his handle was Dirtbikepilot or something like that.
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Re: Largest displacement listeroid single ?
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2018, 03:50:56 AM »
We have a good clone single that is rated 18hp at 750 rpm and those will be real numbers. Others call the same thing 20hp. Perhaps bump the rpms just a little and they could be accurate.

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Re: Largest displacement listeroid single ?
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2018, 01:58:36 PM »
No non-conforming engine advertising is allowed per EPA regulation. The penalty on their books is the same as actually selling a non-conforming engine. SO, you have to be discreet. Several of our 18/1 parts kit projects are reported here on this forum though.

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Re: Largest displacement listeroid single ?
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2018, 10:31:55 PM »
Lots of goofy rules at every regulatory agency; most are crafted by and for the largest "regulated" companies- often to keep out upstart competition.  An example of foolish rules: emissions for vehicles are based on exhaust gas analysis-  not on total emissions per mile.




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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2018, 03:08:50 AM »
Don't even get me started... the best of intentions in a powerful bureaucracy like that can quickly turn into everyone's nightmare. This madness had a large impact on Lister-Petter Americas and their eventual demise. Same for many other sensible enterprises. Crazy times!

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Re: Largest displacement listeroid single ?
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2018, 12:33:00 AM »
Thanks 38c.
I did find reference in the archives (12 years ago), to Lovson export's "Super Single". I think this is the whale I was remembering seeing mentioned.

SCL-16;  16hp / 1cyl @ 670rpm  155mm bore X 204mm stroke"SUPER" SINGLE CYLINDER $1,025.00
SCL-20;  20hp / 1cyl @ 750rpm  155mm bore X  204mm stroke"SUPER " SINGLE CYLINDER $1,140.00
SCL-22;  22hp / 1cyl @ 800rpm  155mm bore X 204mm stroke "SUPER " SINGLE CYLINDER $1,160.00


235 c.i.d. (3.85L), 6 1/8" bore, 8" stroke, 300lb. flywheels (x2), one cylinder.  I don't see it referenced on Lovson's site anymore, Looks like their top dog is now just the "SLC-12 SUMO"; 1.7liter, 12hp @ 1krpm, 127mm x 139.7mm. I suspect they would/could still deliver the SLC super single upon request.

I also see Topland still offers the "18ADI2" 3.35L 20hp/1cyl, 155mm x 177.8mm,  as their heavyweight single.

I'm guessing the Rajkot mfrs aren't selling too many of these bigger units over there, since the India exporters are still overwhelmingly advertising the 8/10/12-1 clones as their lead product.

Maybe a coincidence but the John Deere Two Cylinder Diesel tractors Models 80,820,840 and 840 also used the 6-1/8" by 8" stroke dimensions .

 They are rated at 75HP at 1250rpm. That would be 18HP or so at 650rpm per cylinder . .
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Re: Largest displacement listeroid single ?
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2018, 12:43:57 AM »
Well mine a16/1 is supposed to be 16 hp at 1000 rpms but I run it at 640 rpm so Iím not sure of the hp  I can tell you it runs a 10 k gen head all day at full load with no issues

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Re: Largest displacement listeroid single ?
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2018, 12:55:56 AM »

That doesn't near add up to the rating of the engine.
To pull that load at those revs the engine would have to be nearer 30 Hp than anything else.

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Re: Largest displacement listeroid single ?
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2018, 07:05:05 AM »
He said it runs a 10 k head, all day, not that he's pulling 10 k out of the head.............

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Re: Largest displacement listeroid single ?
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2018, 07:16:17 AM »
Isn't diesel about 1.5-1.75 HP per KW? Sounds feasible to me. May be into overload territory but may be doable.