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Automatic Remote Control Generating Sets
« on: March 22, 2018, 11:07:59 AM »
Hi everyone,
Have you ever saw one of these? I have a few 6/1 and 8/1 SOM but never saw one of these. Original base and all the serial numbers match. I got the original manuals that came with the engine too!
Best regards,
Malcolm

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Re: Automatic Remote Control Generating Sets
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2018, 10:01:54 PM »
Aloha Kilroy,

I think that you have what many of us would rate as a "Score".  Very nice indeed.

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Re: Automatic Remote Control Generating Sets
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2018, 11:31:58 AM »
A rare find, lot 1140 bought at auction?

Lister CS twin startomatic sets are rare, and IMHO you have the best CS of the bunch, the CS16/2 engine (fitted with an even rarer exhaust manifold).

Any chance of more photos?

The one thing to watch out for on these twin cylinder startomatic sets is the flywheel key on the drive belt flywheel working loose. It can and does happen on the single cylinder startomatic engines, but on a twin your transmitting twice the power and the key/keyways are no bigger. Additionally one of the flywheels is unique (due to keyway positioning) to the twin cylinder engines.

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Re: Automatic Remote Control Generating Sets
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2018, 08:00:09 PM »
Hi all,

I bought it at a farm machinery auction. I could hardly believe it when I saw it and that it was original Lister with the correct engine and alternator numbers on the base plate.

I always wondered if 16/2 self starting units existed. Is this a SOM then?

I was ready to bid big money for it and couldn't believe when the hammer dropped for £450 !!!

I'll get more photos in the next few days.

Mal

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Re: Automatic Remote Control Generating Sets
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2018, 10:13:37 PM »

I always wondered if 16/2 self starting units existed. Is this a SOM then?


It should be, but I cannot see the startomatic components that you would expect to see on the engine, these will be on the side closest to the alternator. Lets hope so for your sake they are present, because these parts are unique to the twin cylinder startomatic sets.

I was ready to bid big money for it and couldn't believe when the hammer dropped for £450 !!!


Luck was on your side that day  ;)

I'll get more photos in the next few days.

Can't wait.

Having looked at the photos in more detail this engine would have been radiator cooled. The style of water manifolds, and two unused studs (for water pump) on the crankcase and behind the flywheel. Are all indicative features of a radiator cooled engine.

If you PM your email address, I have stored away somewhere some photos of a twin cylinder startomatic set that would show this detail, and hence give you an idea of any parts you be missing. But please be patient as this will take me some time to find.

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Re: Automatic Remote Control Generating Sets
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2018, 04:55:41 PM »
Here are a few more photos. If you need anything particular let me know.
I see from the serial number its a radiator cooled model.
I managed to get speaking to the seller just after I bought it. He bought it from the factory where it worked. He never mentioned the radiator but I must ask again.
Mal

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Re: Automatic Remote Control Generating Sets
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2018, 05:09:26 PM »
And a few more.....

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Re: Automatic Remote Control Generating Sets
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2018, 12:59:30 PM »
/\ You've got mail!

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Re: Automatic Remote Control Generating Sets
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2018, 01:30:46 PM »
Radiator mounts above the flywheel on LH side above the pulley. Rubber hoses and a few brackets plus the radiator and its hood with fan assembly should be available from a donor machine. I should have some pictures around of that setup. Good find! Congrats!

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Re: Automatic Remote Control Generating Sets
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2018, 09:27:46 AM »
/\ Agreed, here is one right now on ebay uk:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-LISTER-CS-3-5-1-DIESEL-STATIONARY-ENGINE-RESTORATION-PROJECT-BARN-FIND/132511106414

Somewhat pricey, and it doesn't even have the shroud (hood), but you get the idea.

The problem will be obtaining the correct water pump, and this item may as well be made from unobtainium due to its rarity. The good news is that the same item can be found on JP and CE engines.

Here is a link to a bare water pump on ebay UK at present: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LISTER-CD-CE-ENGINE-WATER-PUMP-BODY-good-used-023-05517-/251319190727

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Re: Automatic Remote Control Generating Sets
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2018, 01:43:05 PM »
On the 6/1 radiator-cooled design there is not a requirement for water pump... just a belt drive for the cooling fan and thermo-syphon does the rest.

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Re: Automatic Remote Control Generating Sets
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2018, 09:35:52 AM »
That's right, and the radiator will fit straight on, however I doubt the radiator would give sufficient cooling when set up for thermo-siphon. Hence why Listers equipped the twin Lister CS raiator cooled versions with a water circulating pump.

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Re: Automatic Remote Control Generating Sets
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2018, 11:37:12 AM »
Hi,

Sorry for the late reply, Iíve been really busy here the past few weeks.

Thanks for all the info. I went ahead and bought the water pump housing from ebay although I have not received it yet. Would anyone have a photo of this fitted to the 16/2?

I've attached a photo (hopefully) of a twin with a radiator but don't see the water pump?

Is the rad on a 6/1 the same size as the rad fitted to a 16/2? I have a rough 6/1 with a radiator that I could rob the parts off.

Thanks again for the help and info!

Malcolm

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Re: Automatic Remote Control Generating Sets
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2018, 01:07:56 PM »
That setup has no waterpump. Interesting manifolds, I wonder if they are original?

If you're worried about the thermal capacity of a thermosiphoning system, you could put 2 rads on it, 1 per cylinder, and just keep the two water circuits completely separate... that way, you're only cooling 2x 8x1 engines :) Not sure how easy it'd be to fit a fan to the second radiator though...
Cheers!
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