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Johndoh

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You guys probably saw this
« on: March 01, 2018, 11:53:17 PM »
Interesting way to start an engine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDRZicQ-_9k
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Re: You guys probably saw this
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2018, 01:41:18 AM »
Words fail me.

I've seen something like this done with a motorbike and an a playground carousal.

https://www.wired.com/2011/09/spinning-merry-go-round-of-death/
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Re: You guys probably saw this
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2018, 03:32:11 AM »
Interesting way to start an engine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDRZicQ-_9k

Nope, hadn't seen that one!

I'm watching and thinking, the guy is an idiot. A lazy idiot that is setting up some real potential for a lot of things to go wrong here.  I'm seeing some innovation but seeing too many drawbacks to have any respect for it.  I think Maybe the old fella can't crank the thing but then I see the big floor jack and think if he can lug that bastard out the shed and jack the car up, surely he can crank the thing or at least put some sort of starter on the engine that doesen't seem to have a purpose any way syuch as powering a generator or pump.

Then at the end, I see the old coot come out with a crank handle and wind it over with little effort! 
WTF??

Sorry, not clever in my book, pretty silly actually.
I don't know a lot about front wheel drive cars but I do know with the wrong sort of trans, the thing could want to drive itself even with one wheel up. Might have some sort of lock up clutch in the diff or engage at a certain speed etc. May not happen on this car but on others....
Also depending on the trans, it could wind up or try to move forward through drag in the clutches or even the oil flow in the box.

Really come away with the feeling this guy deserves neither a motor Vehicle nor a nice lister.

The one with the roundabout looks like it comes from an eastern block country where the only thing they seem to be able to afford is alcohol which must be cheaper than water.  They seem to have the most serious and greatest number of competitors for the Darwin awards than any other nations.

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Re: You guys probably saw this
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2018, 05:01:40 AM »
How do you say "Here, hold my beer" in Russian.
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Re: You guys probably saw this
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2018, 06:59:25 AM »

" Vodka!"

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Re: You guys probably saw this
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2018, 08:31:49 AM »
How not to sart one...........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bD1b1nDJxo

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Re: You guys probably saw this
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2018, 09:17:39 AM »
Then at the end, I see the old coot come out with a crank handle and wind it over with little effort! 
WTF??

Judging by how much spinning it took to get going from the van, I suspect that's one Lister which really doesn't like cold starting. He'd be spinning by hand for a week to try to get it to fire. On the other hand, it may just be he was trying to start it with it's low compression set, which I thought was basically impossible even when the engine is hot?

The second - hand-cranked - start would be when the engine was already warmed up.

TBH, although it looks very smart, ISTM that Lister needs some mechanical attention. The governer was clearly hunting badly, it was obviously a bear to start cold, makes me wonder what else was up with it.
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Re: You guys probably saw this
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2018, 10:11:38 AM »
I think the video title said it hadn't been started in a few years. This guy is in the UK well the van has UK plates and he's obviously mad it's a nice looking engine but only one flywheel??
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Re: You guys probably saw this
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2018, 04:12:18 PM »
it's a nice looking engine but only one flywheel??

This video came up a while back. It is an air compressor variant. Here is a thread about it. http://listerengine.com/smf/index.php?topic=8120.0

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Re: You guys probably saw this
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2018, 05:30:43 PM »
It's a nice looking engine but only one flywheel??
Yes, all Hamworthy close coupled compressor sets are like this, and as a result they are seriously out of balance when running.



Then at the end, I see the old coot come out with a crank handle and wind it over with little effort! 
WTF??

Ever tried to start an engine on the handle after standing that length of time, not an easy proposition.

The reason why it subsequently starts easily on the handle, is because the engine is warmed up and compression is restored.

I don't know a lot about front wheel drive cars but I do know with the wrong sort of trans, the thing could want to drive itself even with one wheel up. Might have some sort of lock up clutch in the diff or engage at a certain speed etc.

That's a Ford Escort MKIII van, no limited slip differential in that vehicle.

The planet gears in the differential had a workout on this occasion.

it may just be he was trying to start it with it's low compression set, which I thought was basically impossible even when the engine is hot?

So how would this work on say a 6/1 startomatic set, are they left in the high compression all the time to guarantee a cold start?

I knew of a Lister FR2 Startomatic set which was at all times left in the low compression setting, but it needed a good set of batteries to ensure it started.

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Re: You guys probably saw this
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2018, 10:01:19 PM »

Ever tried to start an engine on the handle after standing that length of time, not an easy proposition.

Well yes I have and it wasn't hard.

Few weeks back I started my CS that I had not fired it at least 3 years. First time I'd ever cranked it having used electric start before.  Didn't even put fuel in it, just wound it up on the bio that was still in the filter and a bit in the line and off it went.

All my different Diesels are the same. The Chinas will fire after a year or 2 no trouble and this is something that has always impressed me with Diesels, how easy they start after a long time sitting. Sure as heck wouldn't do it with a petrol especially if it had been fueld with that 10% ethanol crap that shouldn't even be sold!

Seems to me if an engine is is good nick and set up right, there is no reason it shouldn't fire after a while. Physical process is the same.  I hear this " Been standing" thing a lot but still does not make sense to me.
Can only assume something was off with the engine to begin with or it's been over 3 years since last fired.

In any case, I still regard that as a very poor way to start the engines. Seems to me he got it going then backed off on the car and the tyre and flywheel were still engaged and the tyre then slowed the engine down to the point it stopped or near it. I still don't get how he disengaged them in the end.
f anything, he would have been better to put a belt around the tyre and start it that way.

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Re: You guys probably saw this
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2018, 10:46:34 PM »
I thought he had a crowbar on the frame to lever it towards the wheel?
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Re: You guys probably saw this
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2018, 12:27:25 AM »

Most likley. I probably missed it in my amazement and horror at the whole idea of what was going on!  :0)

I used to start mine with an old starter motor I welded a pulley on and used a belt round the flywheel. I secured that to the wooden rails I had the roid on.   I thought that was a bit dodgy just flicking off the belt when it fired up but I would have not come up with this idea in 100 years!

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Re: You guys probably saw this
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2018, 01:55:26 AM »
He surely doen't deserve a real Lister with it's nice paint, if he's going to push his car fender right up to the tank and run the paint off.

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Re: You guys probably saw this
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2018, 08:49:27 AM »

Ever tried to start an engine on the handle after standing that length of time, not an easy proposition.

Well yes I have and it wasn't hard.


Where you live (Australia) the ambient temperatures are higher, back in the UK they are a lot lower. This will have a significant effect on the cold starting performance of any diesel engine that has been standing for a considerable time period, and which has no cold starting aids such as oil injection, glow plugs, etc. Other factors such as injector condition (fuel atomisation) will also come into play.