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ajaffa1

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Anyone for a lister M
« on: February 15, 2018, 09:55:24 PM »
Found this on gumtree https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/gnowangerup/collectables/lister-5-hp-stationary-engine-/1175303073

Think it`s  Lister M kero engine. Shame it`s become a garden ornament.

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Re: Anyone for a lister M
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2018, 12:58:28 AM »

I might have been interested in it just for the flywheels if it wasn't on the other side of the country!

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Re: Anyone for a lister M
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2018, 02:01:54 AM »
Hey Glort, I don`t know what size the crankshaft is on one of these. The main bearing housings look to have vertical nuts and bolt suggesting a split housing, how would that work?

Bob

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Re: Anyone for a lister M
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2018, 10:21:07 AM »

Not sure about any of it but I'm sure it could be worked around.

I don't know if the flywheels are weighted or not be easy enough to add weight if they are or not. I'd probably add them to the ones already on the jackhammer so if they had weight they could be counter balanced and if not no worries.

I'd sure there would be enough meat in the centres to either have the things bored to suit or sleeved to take them down if needed but probably unlikely.

I different engines come up now and then that are only good for decorations and am always surprised at the prices people pay for them.
That said, My father couldn't work out last month why I would want to bring this heavy 7 tine scarifier/ plough all the way down here and put in the garden.
Put it out the back as a prop for the Daughters 21st with intentions of moving it out the front under the big tree after.
Got so many comments from the kids at the party how cool the thing looked.  Told my father and he was amazed and said " Haven't these kids ever been and seen anything outside the city?"
Maybe not.

Thing is still where I wrestled it. The joint chiefs of staff and supreme commanders of the house decreed it looks perfect just where it is and is to remain in it's current deployment.  Unfortunately Dad is a neatness freak and I was lucky to get this before it hit the scrap metal bin. There are no more antiques up there other than him and he won't come down no matter how hard I try to persuade him, even for Christmas.  He may not like being stood out under the tree in the weather anyways.  :P

Might have to keep an eye and ear out to see if I can find anything else on another property up there for the spot under the tree I had earmarked for the scarifier.  :0)

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Re: Anyone for a lister M
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2018, 07:28:24 PM »
Think it`s  Lister M kero engine.

Correct!, shame there is not a view from the other side showing the vaporiser. As it is well worth the asking price for the vaporiser alone, shame the exhaust is vertical thus quite possibly filling the cylinder with water. Which may explain why the cylinder head nuts are not present.

Judging by that greaser on the camshaft bearing and what looks like a drain cock on the cylinder block, its an early version.

The main bearing housings look to have vertical nuts and bolt suggesting a split housing, how would that work?

Correct again, this was how all the early Lister engines were. Until Listers realised they could make cost savings by having a bush bearing and a single main bearing housing.

One of the legacies of this decision is that Lister CS engines cannot be reground undersize on the main bearing diameters (centre main bearings can on a twin cylinder, thanks to the Indians making undersize centre bearing shells).




I'd sure there would be enough meat in the centres to either have the things bored to suit or sleeved to take them down if needed but probably unlikely.


Would need boring, as the Lister M type has smaller main bearing diameters. But it would be a shame to break up what is now a rare Lister engine which is near complete, just for the flywheels


I am always surprised at the prices people pay for them.


As the seller states it to be complete bar the magneto. So in this case for those in the know the money is in the vaporiser, if its the early vaporiser version then more so, complete with carburettors even more so. As with these items plus the brass engine plate (possibly the cylinder head as well for the lower compression ratio needed for running on kerosene) you could convert a an L type engine in a M type, and no one would know any different :o.


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Re: Anyone for a lister M
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2018, 09:05:36 PM »
Thanks Listard-JP2, I might contact the seller and ask for photos of the other side. I don`t need another engine at the moment. I`m struggling to rebuild my CS due to heath problems. It`s also the other side of the country so it would take nearly a week to drive there and back.
Do these run straight kero or are they started on petrol and then switched over? Had an old wartime Dexter tractor that had twin fuel tanks, petrol to start, tractor venting oil to run. (petrol was rationed during WW2)
I`m also wondering about the availability and price of kero, They sell small quantities in the hardware store as a cleaner. Jet engines run on kero but I don`t think I could rock up with a jerry can at the local airport, probably get myself shot for terrorism.
Thanks for all the good info, food for thought.
Bob

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Re: Anyone for a lister M
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2018, 03:17:48 AM »

Be a lot cheaper to have it sent over than drive there to get it although would probably triple the price of the engine.  Might be worth it apparently?

I chased my tail trying to buy Kero in sydney some years back. I wanted it to thin the veg oil down for my Vehicle.  Only found one place selling it in bulk and they wanted over $2 a litre for it and i'm sure the pump hadn't been used in 12 months before I got there.

Getting fuel from the local airport is no problem at all and that's what I ended up doing. I actually got some a couple of years back at Lismore airport on my way back from Brisvegas when I was running low on veg oil.

At the time I was getting it at home From Bankstown, it was cheaper to buy Jet-A1 than it was to buy petrol ( or Diesel). One thing I was forewarned about was not telling them it would be put in a vehicle as they have some sort of obligation or hang up about road tax.  When they asked what I wanted it for,  I just said parts washing/ degreasing and they were more than happy with that.  Fk I must have washed a lot of parts!!  :laugh:

Ended up getting a supply from a mate that works at the naval base in Nowra working on the Choppers. Nothing that is drained out can go back in and he got LOADS of it. Would rock up with a couple off 44's anytime he visited.

You could try that too. Go see someone that works on turbine aircraft and offer them a slab for a drum of the stuff.  They usually sell it to " recyclers" that put it in different solvents and the like and get bugger all for it. I have heard some places even pay to have it taken away. One thing with jet though is it has additives that prevent it freezing down to minus 45C i think it is. The stuff tends to leave a white powdery residue if you spill it and it dries. no trouble in an engine but the stuff is unpleasant to get on you as well with the additive.  I found a lot of aircraft tech's don't mind Avgas but don't like the jet fuel for this reason.

I had a Big score of Diesel some years back from a Marina. They had to drain the tanks to repair a leak.  The guy that was supposed to come collect it in his little truck didn't and said he couldn't be there for hours so mate rang and said if you want it, get here now. I did, with an IBC in my trailer and another mate came with another IBC in his ute and another in the trailer. Pumped it out with a petrol Fire pump which was pretty amusing and had the repair guys a bit on edge not because of any safety concerns, it was Diesel, but because of getting copped for not using the mandated bellows type pumps that run off compressed air. They went for coffee on the boardwalk till we were done so could disavow any knowledge or involvement.  :0)

Only a lot dodgy going home with over 1.5 ton of fuel in the ute and trailer but no problems and it lasted us a good long time. Just filtered it and it was fine. No water but a lot of the black diesel crap that forms in tanks.  Blended it with the veg oil anyway.

Airports are definatly the best places to score Kero or it's derivative now and you should not have any problem at all as long as you don't tell them it's for a vehicle which it's not anyway.

Can't see anyone at Lismore or Casino airports being too worried about terrorists!  :0)


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Re: Anyone for a lister M
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2018, 04:45:05 AM »
Hey Glort, one of my jobs in the Royal Air Force was cleaning out aircraft fuel tanks. There is a fungus which grows in aviation turbine fuel. There were two ways to do it, one involved a head to toe rubber suit with a forced air respirator. Would take forever with all the protective gear. The other way to do it was in a pair of overalls with a buddy watching you through the door. Took about two hours and we got the rest of the day off, in the pub by lunchtime, happy days. Wonder what the Elf`n safety would make of that nowadays?

I sent the Gumtree guy a message asking for more info and pictures, haven`t heard anything back yet but will post pics if I get them.

Bob

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Re: Anyone for a lister M
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2018, 04:57:10 AM »
There is a fungus which grows in aviation turbine fuel.

Diesel gets " Bugs" in it as well. Just defies my imagination how ANYTHING can live in a petro Fuel.
Forget about aliens and Zombies, anything tough enough to live AND multiply in kero or diesel is what we should be really concerned about! :0)

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Re: Anyone for a lister M
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2018, 05:06:46 AM »
I wonder if pickling our deputy prime minister in hydrocarbons would stop him from breeding? Might be worth a go.

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Re: Anyone for a lister M
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2018, 10:13:12 AM »
Do these run straight kero or are they started on petrol and then switched over?

You start on petrol and when warmed up switch over to kerosene. If this is an early engine (and memory serves me correct) it should have two float chambers (one for petrol and one for kerosene). Later vaporisers were much simplified in this respect for cost saving purposes etc.

Had an old wartime Dexter tractor that had twin fuel tanks, petrol to start, tractor venting oil to run. (petrol was rationed during WW2)

I doubt it, as Ford Dexter tractors were in production from 1957 to 1964 (though a TVO option was available), your possibly thinking of Fordson E27N or earlier still Fordson Standard


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Re: Anyone for a lister M
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2018, 10:01:01 PM »
Hi Listard-jp2, Very interested in that twin carburettor/vaporiser set up now. I emailed the seller asking for photos.

You are probably right about that tractor, it was 45 years ago and my memory isn`t what it was, definitely a twin fuel engine but make uncertain.