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Busy Shop This Winter
« on: December 14, 2017, 02:50:12 AM »
Finally pulled a bunch of the original British CS cores out of storage and currently running them through our shop for rebuild...



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Re: Busy Shop This Winter
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2017, 04:00:02 AM »

I want a Hi res pic of that to blow up and put on my wall!!

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Re: Busy Shop This Winter
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2017, 08:18:48 AM »
Hmm, that's odd... looking at the various crank cases which are just sitting on the floor, it looks like the flywheels are at least an inch clear of the floor, and the heavy flywheels more so (ignoring the one on the SOM base in the foreground). Yet I have a pair of 6/1s which, if they're not on a base, the flywheels are ON the floor - to the point where they can actually be pushed around on their flywheels...

Did Lister use 2 different crank cases for the CS?
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Re: Busy Shop This Winter
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2017, 02:22:17 PM »
As far as I know the crankcase is one of the items that seemed to stay the same throughout. Flywheels on the other hand, a dozen variations. I will measure some of the ones pictured and compare.

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Re: Busy Shop This Winter
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2017, 02:25:54 PM »
Glad to see you have time to get into those Gary. That SOM base could be put to good use by me ;) ;) ;)

Ade, I have not seen a English made CS type here in the states that would not sit on the base and the flywheels clear the floor. I have seen India engines on a short crankcase but I thought it was an India derived modification? They were called GM90s by one exporter and Lovson also lists a version of it. Are the flywheels on you rengines larger than 24"? That would answer the question I think?
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Re: Busy Shop This Winter
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2017, 03:00:12 PM »
Glad to see you have time to get into those Gary. That SOM base could be put to good use by me ;) ;) ;)
That base is going to a client upstate New York... sorry about that! Sometimes getting to the "fun" projects is a matter of getting bored and fed-up with everything else.

The Stover SOM flywheels I have here are 25" diameter... they do not clear the floor. Some of the 6/1 spoked flywheels I have are 23 7/8" diameter and some of them are a full 24" diameter. Those will clear the floor by about 1/2". On the 8/1 flywheels I have also seen 23 3/4" diameter.

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Re: Busy Shop This Winter
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2017, 03:07:42 PM »
Hmm, that's odd... looking at the various crank cases which are just sitting on the floor, it looks like the flywheels are at least an inch clear of the floor, and the heavy flywheels more so (ignoring the one on the SOM base in the foreground). Yet I have a pair of 6/1s which, if they're not on a base, the flywheels are ON the floor - to the point where they can actually be pushed around on their flywheels...

Did Lister use 2 different crank cases for the CS?

Measure your flywheels... chances are they will be around 25" diameter if they are able to wheel the block around a flat floor. I have seen no reference to Lister ever changing the block dimensions. (Indian copies on the other hand, who knows!!! That market is a free-for-all.) On our imports we do the best we can to make them conform and match the Lister original specs. I love complete parts interchange across models whenever possible. Lister was mostly very smart about this process over the years.

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Re: Busy Shop This Winter
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2017, 09:47:29 AM »
I'll measure them this weekend, when I'm next down at the shop. It's been too cold to go there this week, as I'm on Shanks's Pony until I get my car back (hopefully today). They're definitely Lister originals, though... and of the two engines I've got, the one that's disassembled, definitely has the flywheels maybe 1/16th lower than the base of the crank case.
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Re: Busy Shop This Winter
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2017, 08:19:30 PM »
I was wondering about this too, on my 12/2 the flywheels exceed the base of the crankcase. I had to put it on the engine stand to fit the flywheels.
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Re: Busy Shop This Winter
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2017, 09:00:14 PM »
Wow, you`re going to need a bigger shop.
I predict a global shortage of spare parts.
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Re: Busy Shop This Winter
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2017, 09:11:00 PM »
We do need a much bigger workshop. Parts have been sluggish but we have large stocks and it is better to build some engines than to just leave this stuff as junk... I am not going to live forever and it is retirement time.

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Re: Busy Shop This Winter
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2017, 08:37:48 AM »
I am not going to live forever and it is retirement time.

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We none of us live forever, the trick is to pass on what you have learned so the next generation get a chance. Problem with that is that they don`t want to know because it is dirty hard work.
Can`t see you retired, you will die with your boots on just the same as the rest of us diesel freaks, hopefully with the sound of a diesel engine that hasn`t run for thirty years ringing in your ears.
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2017, 02:39:22 PM »
You are probably right Bob... thanks. My children have zero interest in this business except for the money that is involved. Grand children too scattered and not involved. When my health dictates, I will offer the business up for sale - or worst case, liquidate.

Operating as a non-profit school is a direction that interests me, and we are not far off from having the facilities/resources to support that, but still remains an energy demand that is in question at the present time.

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Re: Busy Shop This Winter
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2017, 12:34:00 PM »
You are probably right Bob... thanks. My children have zero interest in this business except for the money that is involved. Grand children too scattered and not involved. When my health dictates, I will offer the business up for sale - or worst case, liquidate.

Operating as a non-profit school is a direction that interests me, and we are not far off from having the facilities/resources to support that, but still remains an energy demand that is in question at the present time.

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Hi Gary. it would be a crime against humanity if your knowledge and skills were not passed on. love the idea that you would like to teach even in a not for profit organisation. I would enrol as a student but probably wouldn`t get through customs due to my age. We all know the world is going to need a lot more engineers so why they are spending the education budget on training more computer programmers is a mystery. Perhaps the plan is to have everybody live in an alternative reality while the government loots their bank accounts.
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Re: Busy Shop This Winter
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2017, 01:23:30 PM »

I used to tell my son that there would be a lot of money in being a tradie before long and he should start learning business skills like management, sales and marketing as soon as he finished his apprenticeship as a carpenter.  The key to being VERY well off and pretty quickly would be not to work in it but to work on it.

For those that will be qualified to do the hands on work, with a bit of smarts they will be able to make Doctors and lawyers wages especially as these will be the sort of people employing them.
I have a mate that does Aircon. He's one of the smart ones. Employs 2 people and turns over 3 mill a year.  The profit he makes is substantial because he now chooses his clients and has more quality work then he can ever handle or wants to thanks to the reputation he has built up over the past 10 years.

If I had my time again, I'd be doing a practical type occupation and going to business school.  Wouldn't take long to be leaving the so called " Professionals" behind in income and without a lot of the stress they have to endure.

Something like specialist engine repair  would seem to be another winner.
Not many kids these days seem to want to get their hands dirty but the ones that will follow the old school traditions I think will do well if they apply a bit of business skill to their trade qualifications.