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basewindow

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Identify this?
« on: October 08, 2017, 11:22:44 PM »
Sorry to be vague and for the poor quality of the picture

It has no plate on it and the word 'BUSCH', apart from that nothing.

Came with the Lister CS 3.5 and a switchboard.
1953 CS Lister 3.5hp, 1938? Bamford SD1 3.5hp, 1962 Fordson Super Dexta.

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Re: Identify this?
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2017, 09:14:26 PM »
A few more pictures that may help....
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Re: Identify this?
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2017, 09:05:32 PM »
Can no-one help?

Even a general description of how it works etc?

Which wires do what and go where?

Anyone?  Anyone?
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Re: Identify this?
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2017, 09:19:34 PM »
Sure looks like a Busch generator head of some sort to me.

That's an interesting looking pulley. As far as wiring you would need a model # to track down a wiring diagram, or someone who knows generators/motors well enough to figure out what wire does what with a meter.

If it came with a Start-O-Matic set it may have a generator winding and a DC starting/charging winding as well. How about a picture of the wires and terminals from above. That may help. Pictures of the switchboard may offer some clues as well.
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Re: Identify this?
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2017, 11:18:24 PM »
This appears to be a DC generator as it has a commutator rather than slip rings. These were very common in garages in the late 1800 /early 1900s when batteries were used to run tramcars and old valve radio equipment.... charging stations were everywhere. AC mains required high current rectifying equipment, it was easier and cheaper to use DC generators driven from either an AC motor, or a stationary engine to get low voltage DC..... thats my guess.
It could also be a DC welder, although the wire size suggests otherwise.

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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2017, 11:30:23 PM »
Looking more closely, Id say its a compounded DC generator. the output current will be found across the two green wires inside the unit. The brushes appear to be seriesed with part of the field coils (stator) giving feedback to hold the voltage stable under load. The exciter current is fed into the two black wires.
Chuck it in a lathe and spin it up with a DC voltmeter across  the green wires, and feed in a small current from say a car battery into the two blacks. It will generate, and measurements can be taken to identify is parameters. 
Another guess ... its a 120 volt DC unit at around 20  amps.... judging  by the winding sizes, probably needs around 15 volts at 2 amps exciter current.....

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Re: Identify this?
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2017, 01:47:28 AM »
Thanks guys. Ill get more pictures including its guts when i get a chance. This is the switchboard it came with.

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Re: Identify this?
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2017, 12:21:10 PM »
What is the wording on the copper tag around the toggle switch and the copper horseshoe around the adjuster knob?

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Re: Identify this?
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2017, 11:07:26 PM »
On the copper switch at the top is: RUN/START

Horseshoe adjuster: LOW - RAISE - HIGH

Down the bottom on each side: COMPOUND/START

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Re: Identify this?
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2017, 11:10:12 PM »
It sounds a lot like what starfire is describing from the wording on the tags. Sounds like it has the ability to be used as a starting motor and then switched over to generating.

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Re: Identify this?
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2017, 11:20:11 PM »
Only other pic i have. I'll get some more on the weekend.

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Re: Identify this?
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2017, 06:43:47 AM »
Couple more...
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Re: Identify this?
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2017, 06:47:10 AM »
Inside back of the switchboard.
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Re: Identify this?
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2017, 07:34:25 AM »
Scrap it. Its of no use as far as I can tell....  :(

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Re: Identify this?
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2017, 07:46:32 AM »
Whole thing no good? Coming from someone that has no idea, what tells you that?
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