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BruceM

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Re: Mounting my Roid.
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2016, 04:00:05 PM »
1.  Can I re use the old gibb keys ( assuming I don't damage them) or should I get new ones for the re-install?
Yes.

2. If they fit, could I balance the wheels on a wheel balance machine by fitting them both and once 180o opposed?
The wheel balancer would tell me straight off exactly where and how much weight I had to use.
This would get them even in weight then I would have to re fit and see how much weight I needed for the actual balancing.

Nope, if you flywheels have counterbalance weights cast in, that rules out the balancer.  Static balancing is easier and is completely adequate per 38ac's method.

I'm going to go dream and drool over some YT vids of smooth running listers on carts and sitting on concrete floors now....


   

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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2016, 08:08:29 AM »
Hey Glort,

Just to expand a little on 38Ac's remarks - Gib Keys - Certainly can reuse them, preferably mark them and keep them with the wheel they were used on originally.

Balancing - The effort to lug them to a balancing machine alone, far outweighs the effort to do the static balance as noted before... Also, as said previously, those with built in weights on the rim can be dynamically balanced as a set, but would still need to do a static balance on each to get the counterweights to CG in the correct orientation. You would need to explain to the operator that they would be "wide spaced" when run. He would have to add weights to the rim in question to do the trimming. This "trimming" would only be for the wheel which would be lighter in the CBW department, easy to get confused, as both you and he would be new at it - completely different to regular wheel balancing. On the other hand, if he has a really sophisticated machine, he might be able to do a specific imbalance setup on both wheels individually, thus matching them as a set. Both methods could work really well, or really badly, depending on the skill of the operator, and the operator understanding what your needs are.  In doing the CG setup, you are 99.9% of the way there, the remainder would be a small task... While you are at it, why don't you measure the CBW mass (with the bucket/string/stones method) and keep it on record for each wheel? would be handy to know when/if you decide to change RPM...

Once you pull the wheels, the rest is child's play. Pulling them a second time is even easier (Provided you don't use the "India fitment method".... To give you a general idea of the average "sweat" ratio when pulling a wheel:

Pulling Gib Key first time - 75%
Freeing wheel from crankshaft - 10%
Looking for tools, making puller, balancing, reinstalling - 15%

Lol....

Keep it spinning,

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Ed
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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2016, 12:06:28 PM »
Hey Glort,

What's he done now to pee u off?

Agreed re the machine, too much on the axle could be a problem... But the weight of a largish truck tyre is about the same I guess, so if its a big machine, it shouldn't be a problem. I still stand by with the thoughts that hauling a wheel off to a mate would be more work than doing it yourself....

Complete steel mounting a Roid is certainly more than feasible, I did find that it is somewhat noisier from a mechanical aspect as the chassis resonates and "rings" quite well, causing a fair amount of hi audio frequency noise. The concrete mounts are more "dead" in the audio department, but then, of course, portability becomes an issue. Wooden mounts have and are being used very successfully by some, but a prerequisite for any form of portable, or remotely portable mounting would be the balancing exercise. As said before, my roid was a demon at best, a nightmare at worst, until I balanced it properly. I cannot stress how difficult it was to manage - everything from radiator core problems, alternator brush bouncing, snapping chassis tie down chains and the like.... Now it just sits there on a wheeled chassis running the household and not trying to relocate to the neighbor....(Or rattling the dishes off the kitchen shelves..... Now I can stand next to it the whole day and not need dental refitting of fillings either....)

Dunno why, but a vortex cannon comes to mind..... The are fun to play with too... If the neighbor has kids, I can recommend a surprise present of a bugle and drum set to match.... Then again, if you are a Pink Floyd fan, hopefully he isn't, late night listening to "Dark Side of the Moon" album would be most pleasing to the ear.... If the speakers are directed outwards of course  ::)

Keep on thumping...

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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2016, 05:16:41 PM »
Glort,
Nothing (hardly) worse than a bad  >:( >:( neighbor.

To lighten your day here are some flicks from my you tube channel.
   This Dursley built 6/1 is a real ground pounder eh?
[youtube]vNJc2e6_1rU[/youtube]

 And a D.E.S. clone built and balanced in the shop
[youtube]8r32P1I62Mc[/youtube]

Here is my very first 'roid balance job. This one was done without removing the flywheels, it can be done, just took forever.
[youtube]p2YwtlfAVfc[/youtube]



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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2016, 01:16:10 PM »
Hey Glort,

What about a rock crusher for the bricks..... Get them all nice and fine, at night of course, then a nice big industrial fan to send them back over the fence?

Lol....

(I just got a very timid inquiry from a neighbor...800m  away.... I was sorting out some moles with a 30-06....)

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« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2016, 03:30:00 PM »


(I just got a very timid inquiry from a neighbor...800m  away.... I was sorting out some moles with a 30-06....)

Ed

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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2016, 04:05:30 PM »
make sure you give that two stroke motor a double douse of two stroke oil ;D

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« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2016, 06:33:30 PM »
I am so glad my nearest neighbor is just over a mile away.  :P
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Re: Mounting my Roid.
« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2016, 01:36:13 AM »
you really do want to load the engine down with a generator, running unloaded will really muck up the internals from not enough heat

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« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2016, 08:48:07 AM »
Hey Glort,

I dont deny being into porn....My porn consists of Firearms, Knives and of course Diesel stuff.....

I see a lister-powered ULF shitzo-pantso generator tuned specifically to the "brown note" in your immediate future....

Cheerz
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« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2016, 12:05:29 AM »
Keep us posted on how you make out with Centramatic.

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« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2016, 06:29:41 AM »
..... Once I get the engine right i can build an out of balance thumping machine for my neighbor to enjoy.

Tesla had plans and made his earthquake machine, nearly took out a block of NYC in 1935.  It could be a start.

http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/about-this-show/earthquake-machine/
  it will take several hours to build enough energy in the resonance, IMHO.

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« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2016, 07:57:14 AM »
Hey Glort,

As Mike said... Tesla's earthquake machine would be an interesting one... Any fault lines close to you?

Interestingly enough, I still manage/own a computer co this side of the pond, been into bit bashing and electronics/electrical for a long time... Just got tired of it since I have seen how pc's and social media can screw up the younger generation....

Knife making can be fun, I was considering hooking up my plasma to a largish plotter I have to do some interesting work, its on the bucket list for when I get bored with my current hobbies.... Could add an interesting aspect to just about everything I currently do....

The amount of really nasty porn out there is quite prolific, to say the least. Computers have made it so accessible that there is almost no way to avoid it. Quite honestly, there is no major attraction to it from my side, but then again, a well built specimen posing with an interesting shotgun....

I put an edge on a cheapie knife the other day, I bought 10 for the kitchen, each resident has their own steak dagger and has customised it in some way, but I digress... The way I re-hollow-ground the edge was by using a sanding disc, sans rubber backing, not a flap-wheel, on my 115mm angle-grinder.... Worked EXTREMELY well(to my surprise).... Now, hook the roid up to the angle grinder.... A 6hp Angle grinder would be a real cracker!!

Cheers
Ed

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« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2016, 03:34:01 PM »
I sure hope all his construction debris doesn't cause a fire

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« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2016, 11:19:53 AM »
Hey Glort,

Coincidence - I made up a Bunny-Feeder last Monday for the pet bunnies - 2 pieces of Lip-Channel welded open-side to open-side to form a 1m long square tube... The bottom has a folded over end to enclose it with about a 2" deep tray for them to stick their noses in and chow their pellets... They are all fit, fat and flourishing...Food consumption has dropped by about 2/3 since they are not scratching it out of an open bowl now.... The lip channel is 125x50mm, forming a box section 125x100mm....

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