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« Reply #45 on: August 17, 2016, 11:16:12 PM »
Here in NZ, we have a fascination for high visibility jackets, those plastic floppy things in florescent colours that get tangled in everything. They are so common that they go unnoticed. Yesterday I saw a sign above a door way in our local engineering shop that  said " caution, low doorway" Im now expecting any day now  signs reading "caution, sign ahead"
Didnt mean to derail this topic though, but this worksafe crap is over the top now, one reason the Chinese can take us over economically, the other of course being western greed of shipping the manufacturing offshore and still reaping the short term profits. Hats off to China, India....good on them,  we deserved it through our own stupidity.
They get the job done that we can no longer do.  I see too that even in a legislated "safe" cotton wool environment, the stats in America say one in 5 is morbidly obese, 1 in 7 is hooked on drugs...... perhaps they need a safety sign and poster  for that too.

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« Reply #46 on: August 18, 2016, 09:34:56 AM »
I agree completely with ONE exception..........I always have some sort of eye protection on, even if it's only my reading glasses to see better. I've had a steel splinter in the eye and it's not something I want to experience again. I also do not wear rings, watches, long sleeves, etc. around my lathe or mill.........common sense for cryin' out loud.

EXACTLY!
Real risks, realistic action to prevent known problems. I have glasses everywhere so there is always a pair lying round when I want them. Like you, I don't even consider that safety, it's just plain common sense. Glasses will prevent you loosing an eye, Gloves won't prevent you loosing a finger.  It's like looking before you cross the road, I'd call that basic common sense as well.  I wouldn't consider not doing it to be unsafe, it's Suicide!
You never hear the safety sissy's say don't wear rings or jewellery.  Probably because that's not something the safety industry parrots because they don't make a buck out of it and the zealots are too stupid and inexperienced to understand what the danger with them is.

A long gone uncle is best remembered in my family for loosing a finger when he was working for the phone company. His wedding ring shorted out on a 2 Volt bus bar that was connected to a mega amp battery bank.
Cooked his finger to the bone before he could free his finger and the ring melted breaking the connection.

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I also avoid earmuffs, hard hat, Kevlar safety suit, groin protection (?) etc. etc. Sure, I've had my share of minor cuts and bruises and, surprisingly, I learned to avoid those.
Agreed again. These are not debilitating injuries or ones that cannot be easily over come. Anything more serious the safety gear is not going to prevent anyway.

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But aside from that, LEAVE ME THE **** ALONE! Go give your canned safety talk to people that will nod their robotic heads in agreement. I have work to do.

Another thought: If I wanted the cushiest job in the world, I'd be a "safety supervisor". You know, the guy that gets paid a six figure salary for sitting in his office studying new posters to put on the shop walls while he plans his next monthly safety meeting, advising men who have been doing their job safely for more years than he's been alive. Talk about a great career!

Yep, you make your choices, let me make mine and give me the credit for having got myself further along in life doing what I do since before you were born.

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« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2016, 02:40:10 PM »
One problem with your theory Glort, it requires a person to accept personal responsibility for his actions, afraid that isn't going to happen. It always somebody else s fault don't ya know???? ???

 I completely agree with your views on this nonsense but we are in a shrinking minority, I saw a women last week running a string line trimmer in her yard and she was wearing a forestry helmet with full face shield (eye protection good idea) and earmuffs( good idea)  plus chaps such as worn when running a chainsaw ;D, Elbow length heavy duty gloves ;D Carhart type insulated coveralls( it was 95 out)  ???  Knee high heavy duty boots PLUS had one of those green red safety vest on and EXACTLY what you just said came to my mind,,,,,  You are obviously a blooming idiot and your going to find a way to get hurt in spite of looking like a fool wearing all that garb,,,
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« Reply #48 on: August 18, 2016, 03:42:02 PM »
HEAT STROKE!    IT WAS 96 IN HOTLANTA YESTERDAY.
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« Reply #49 on: August 18, 2016, 07:26:23 PM »
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I completely agree with your views on this nonsense but we are in a shrinking minority, I saw a women last week running a string line trimmer in her yard and she was wearing a forestry helmet with full face shield (eye protection good idea) and earmuffs( good idea)  plus chaps such as worn when running a chainsaw Grin, Elbow length heavy duty gloves Grin Carhart type insulated coveralls( it was 95 out)  Huh  Knee high heavy duty boots PLUS had one of those green red safety vest on and EXACTLY what you just said came to my mind,,,,,  You are obviously a blooming idiot and your going to find a way to get hurt in spite of looking like a fool wearing all that garb,,,

Of course, once she finished setting the sprinkler she went back to pushing her dead beat husband's corpse through the industrial chipper that was being repossessed the next day.  ;)

This tread does remind me of my brother laughing at my respirator and googles spray painting costume.  He couldn't hear me talking to his doctor about the final solution as he chocked to death on his own bodily fluids due to advanced emphysema two months before dying.  A very tough two months.  It was almost like being water-boarded a half dozen times a day. 

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« Reply #50 on: August 19, 2016, 08:34:34 AM »
One problem with your theory Glort, it requires a person to accept personal responsibility for his actions, afraid that isn't going to happen.

That's kinda the thing with me.
I have hurt myself plenty of times. Never anthing any safety gear would have prevented or generally things that could have been foreseen.  One of the most annoying was getting dressed in the loungeroom and reaching up to put on a T-shirt and sticking my hand in the ceiling fan. Did not do my finger any good at all!
Thing is though, I wouldn't think to blame anyone for what i do to myself except me. When the safety sissys start preaching their over the top safety crap and take the decision making for my own well being away from me, I get ticked off and insulted.

 
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I saw a women last week running a string line trimmer in her yard and she was wearing a forestry helmet with full face shield .....
I have noticed this more and more of late. People just mowing the lawn but decked out like they are going to fight WWIII!  I Don't mow or tim unless I have long pants on. Not a safety thing to me, common sense and comfort. I do find it painful when the weed walloper sprays my legs with rocks so I do something about it. Likewise I have on generally sunglasses.  I think people are sensible wearing boots, especialy the steel cap kind.

But there is a limit and the way some of these people kit themselves out just to mow the lawn..... It's undeniable they safety industry has brainwashed them into a paranoid panic and blown the risks of a simple job out of all sensible proportion.

There is a big difference between common sense and over the top paranoia.

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« Reply #51 on: August 19, 2016, 11:22:12 AM »
Casey, 
 I am not a cave man and am VERY susceptible to ISO.  If I drive by a body shop and get a strong whiff  I am in immediate breathing trouble. However I do paint with hardened paints.  I  run a full helmet with supplied air and full skin protection.  I am a nut about eye protection due to my father loosing an eye in an accident.  I do this by choice, not because some government nark is telling me to do so.
 AT work we are choked by regulations that slow the productive and dont protect the stupid from being stupid, they are still stupid, dont accomplish anything and find way to get hurt when they accidentally get too close to something being done.  That Woman using the trimmer is a classic example. SHe sure wasnt going to get hurt by that trimmer but I wonder if she made it through the job without suffering heat exhaustion??? Common sense, there is nothing to replace it.
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« Reply #52 on: August 19, 2016, 02:51:32 PM »
"they" really don't want us to work.

day job is senior network engineer, we have a lab where we evaluate new equipment.  There is both 110 and 220 PDUs located in equipment racks, been that way for 25 years.  A couple weeks ago someone, who was escorted by a regular into the lab, plugged 110 power strip into 220 PDU, tripped lab breaker.  First time this has ever occurred, 'cause regulars know the difference.

We had to have a meet with safety regarding the incident.  Safety engineer first suggested we move all the PDUs to their own racks, and run power in NEW overhead cable trays.  They grudgingly accepted labelling voltage on the different PDUs.  I gave up trying to explain everyone working in the lab should recognize different receptacles and we should hold the person who escorted the idiot responsible   The escorting individual ended up getting rewarded for writing a good lessons learned document.  We don't hold anyone responsible for bad decisions any more.

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« Reply #53 on: August 19, 2016, 07:12:25 PM »
Spending most of my life I as a one man show has insulated me from the safety gestapo. 

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« Reply #54 on: August 19, 2016, 07:51:10 PM »
One of my many job descriptions is a maintenance trainer. I have to try and protect the uninitiated youngsters (as well as old-timers) from injury or death when operating and maintaining dangerous machinery and electrical systems. Of course, their employers must comply with OSHA (occupational safety) regulation and numerous other agencies who are seeking and promoting various agendas. Personally, I have no particular problems with regulation that promotes the welfare and common good of the workers... most of it makes sense and is applicable to the situations that commonly occur on the job. Some of them prevent the employers from short-cutting procedures and principles of common safety and might even result in reduced job-related illness and injury.

Ultimately the results will depend on the actions and choices made by the individual. I always teach to personal responsibility for conditions or results, and that said, I don't believe you can really teach common-sense. Much of it comes from experience and applied knowledge. Some learn from their experiences... maybe others should not be playing with fire!

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« Reply #55 on: August 31, 2016, 06:57:28 PM »
I am from the Cleveland, Ohio area and there are foundries left around here. ELyria Foundry is one of the larger ones who could handle that order. Also there are smaller foundries that do casting work for sculptors around here as well. That might be worth asking them

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« Reply #56 on: September 05, 2017, 03:10:38 PM »
I finally got the material all cut, welding jigs made, and the wheels are tacked together. I hope to have the undercarriage and steering components completed by the weekend.

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« Reply #57 on: September 05, 2017, 03:11:48 PM »
I went with a wider rear wheel with a double spoke pattern for the lister

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« Reply #58 on: September 07, 2017, 03:09:43 AM »
Lunnenburg castings are hideous; full of inclusions and just awful.  I have had great luck with the Tomahawk Foundry in Rice Lake Wisconsin for all of my gray iron casting for both engines and stoves.  I once had a firebox cast that had eight cores to pour it correctly.  They did the job perfectly and in just two weeks time!  The iron was super easy to machine and had no stress when it arrived.  Send parts to Tomahawk Foundry if they are large or long run, and to Blue hills castings Inc. if they are one off or very small.  Same address, different process:  2337 29th st. Rice Lake WI (I think the zip is 54868.  Speak with Allan, and the prices are quite affordable.