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Re: The Listeroid Chronicles-WMO and Other Listeroid Modifications
« Reply #720 on: June 25, 2018, 03:01:50 PM »
Hey Glort!

I think FabriCobbled comes from AVE's Youtube channel.... Can't remember now....

One thing I am looking for which I saw on his channel is a "Thumb Busting Nut F@#%er" ... Basically a shifting spanner with a hammer face protrusion on it.... I gotta get me one of those for sure!!

Been doing the slip fit compression fittings for ages too... Had to do a bit of fancy footwork on the last one with the copper gasket compression ring... there are pics below...

I have the beer keg....currently using it for reserve fuel, nicely sealed, but I am a bit scared to boil 20 or so L of gunk at a time... I almost have a squirt attack when the crackernator coughs... and that is only about 500ml or maybe a bit more in process at a time.... (Also, not wild about the stainless cracking from heat on the keg....)

TM's HE is a tube in tube... on both his outlet pipe and the burner HE as well... On TM1's coolant side I use a coiled copper HE, just because.... well actually, really because there is little to no chance of fouling as it is a liquid/liquid exchanger....

I have been running the crackernator pretty much the whole day, playing with piping to the burner and the drain lines, sorting things out to make it more idiot proof in its operation... The output has been almost orange, kinda like a bad kidney output, but nice and clear... A change from the bright yellow stuff I have been pulling mostly... The output tower is at its minimum height, I might have to butcher it and drop it down some more, I am trying to up the viscosity a bit more than it currently is....

Do yourself a favour and get a lathe.... the weird sh!t I have to make from repurposed bits would cost a fortune if I didn't have one!

Keep it cooking...

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Ed
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Re: The Listeroid Chronicles-WMO and Other Listeroid Modifications
« Reply #721 on: July 02, 2018, 02:52:31 PM »
Hi Guys....

Another weekend in paradise is over...Sore muscles, aches and pains to show for all the fun I had...

The BJG1 (Blow-Job-Gennie #1) is up and running, not doing anything more constructive than charging batteries x 2 (638 Tractor/Car batteries) at the moment... It is scaring the living sh!te out of me at the moment though... We are currently experiencing winds of around 60km/h gusting up to about 120km/h... The pucker factor is...well...XP (Extremely Puckering)... This will test out the installation a bit, I reckon... The damn thing sounds like a C160
prop when the wind hits a decent rate!!

I have just ordered another 2x 638 batteries to parallel onto the existing two, the system uses a 24VDC buss... That will allow me to disconnect 2x batteries at a time, or 2 + 2, as and when I need to, to use them in the farming toys, but still have them for added reserve when they are not running mowers, augers and bush cutters etc...

I am currently pondering the easiest way to integrate this mess of cabling and fan into the household wiring, the inverter I have on hand is non-grid-tie, so an interesting solution is being thought up... What I am looking to do, is to stick this inverter onto the "Server/DVR/Pabx/Alarm" household circuit, dedicating it to that (it has a nominal 24/7 300W draw), but, as always, the wind is not a "reliable source" for energy... At some stage its going to fall short (pretty soon too, I would think!)...

My idea is pretty simple... Stick a 24VDC intelligent charger onto the batteries that can hold around 20A max... Turn the charge voltage down a wee bit (By adding a couple of heavy duty diodes in the line to the battery to drop the voltage) and let it idle along, only coming into play when the BJ drops a bit and is not making enough for the output draw... This takes care of the incoming side to the batteries quite well, I would think! The outgoing side is easy... one by 500W true sine wave inverter, directly coupled to the required plug circuit, and Bob's your uncle... (Or was it Aunty? Has he been for that op yet?)

Any of you bright lads done similar maybe?

Aaaaah.... A lull in the wind.... It's suddenly gone extremely quiet.. Scary!!

At the moment out data/telephone lines are down, giving me a chance to catch up you lads on the things happening in darkest Afrique...(Typing this "offline" to be updated later.)

On a slightly different note, the oil burner/heat exchanger that I made up seems to be running quite well.. The only problem that has really been experienced is that, as it's middle of winter and evening temperatures are "brisk" (Right down to about 10C at night, eat your heart out you chilly buggers in the rest of the world!), the WMO in the tanks tends to thicken a bit, causing a few minor problems with the gravity return lines, a problem soon to be remedied by installing the largest rubber hoses I can get cheaply! Consumption of fuel looks to be in the order of between 3 to 5L per day, maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less, depending on how cold the users are and how long they sterilize themselves in the wash bays!!

Combustion through the burner, once warmed up, yields only a slightly visible grey smoke, more evident at night in the cold air, leading me to believe that most of the output is water vapour...

One minor change I have made to the burner set is the addition of a stainless steel "swirler" in the fire tube - Once up and running, glowing a nice yellow, any vaporized oil hitting it, combusts immediately, and this seems to have evened out the burn quite nicely. I have found though, adding a bit of distillate thinning to the WMO 90W gunk, makes a huge difference to flowability, combustibility and carbon output... I am currently running about 2L distillate to 5L gunk for a reliable output... This is quite high, but until I can get a thicker return line on the burner, I will have to stick to it.. No matter, I can distill 2L in an hour of running the Crackernator (Thanks for the name, Glort), and I still have a couple of hundred liters batched up anyway...

On the Lister front, TM1 is still sitting there sans head, head on the workbench,
ready to be assembled and pressed back into service....

Right, Enough rambling...

Keep it spinning, cooking, blowing and.....

Cheers
Ed
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Re: The Listeroid Chronicles-WMO and Other Listeroid Modifications
« Reply #722 on: July 02, 2018, 05:25:16 PM »

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but still have them for added reserve when they are not running mowers, augers and bush cutters etc...

You do things big there Ed!
A 638 Battery in a brushcutter?  That must be a heavy bugger of a thing! I have a 65CC Brush cutter and I thought that was big but it's just a zip start. You must have a Chine Diesel on yours!   :laugh:

What sort of Alternator is on on Blow Job Jenny and what sort of amps you get with it?
I have thought of a turbine as we do get some winds here but seems to me wind is a lot of money for a little output.

I have been thinking about doing a 24V Genny system.  I can get a 24V 110A Alternator for about $200.  I have a 2 KW inverter so I would need batteries.  Spoke to father tonight and he has plenty in the yard. Said he's not going to sell them any more. Idiots come in for a S/H battery which he sells for $30 and they then come back 6 Months later whining the things died. Usual story, want something as new condition but only want to pay nothing for it.

The other alternative is to get some 12V alts and use an external controller.  I'll have to look into it but maybe I can just go straight from the winding's and feed the brushes direct.  That may be another option.

Are you talking about feeding an inverter into the main circuit? Should be fine long as you isolate the grid power.

I built and fired a new burner the other day. First time I have touched one in over 2 years.  Only oil I had about was WMO.  I tried a Design I saw on the net. Didn't like it, couldn't get it to burn cleanly at decent outputs.  Moved the air/ fuel pipe around to give the swirl like I normally do them instead of the  straight down way this one worked and it was so much better.
Going to add some extensions  to the design and drill some secondary air holes and see how I go.  I wanted this burner to be quiet but that seems hard to do with burners of decent output.

Fueling was by way of a 12V Diaphragm pump on a DC pwm controller. Worked well, just dial up the amount of heat you want.  Might get a boost and buck converter so the supply is always constant regardless of the DC input from a plug pack or battery charge.

Been a little chilly here too lately.  Pretty often zero and a few mornings here and there dropped below freezing.  Definitely going to have to have an oil burner for the house next winter.  Everyone says get a combustion stove which I might but it will be modified to run oil, not mucking round with wood.


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« Reply #723 on: July 03, 2018, 02:56:56 PM »
Hey Glort,

The bushcutters I have are:
40" - Tractor pulled - 80hp Gearbox on it so its a little big for a Fergie 35 GoldBelly
72" - 3 Blade - Yazoo Mower, powered by a Wisconsin twin inline at around a guess of 25Hp
Brush Cutters are small, 80cc 2 stroke ?Marijama? and a no name of about 40cc... My 2xStihl 38's got "liberated" a few years back....bastards!!

The alternator is a 3Ph 24v direct drive unit on the BJG, it's a Chinesium thing, purpose built... Pushes about 20 to 30 A in a good blow (Like yesterday)...  Looks like it does it around 1000RPM (or more) or so, but I wasn't prepared to go piss with it in the gales we were having... I was "apprehensive" during the period, I have great respect (and fear) of 100+ MPH scythes 1.1m long....

I will feed a single circuit on the household ultimately... Use the original circuit to power a 24v battery charger which will be able to keep the batteries just above low threshold and then hook the inverter and wind charger to the batteries too... The output from the inverter will then feed the kit that was originally powered by that single circuit... Nice thing about this circuit, is that it is a constant draw not exceeding 400W .... The inverter can power it easily, and it should make a nice "wind dent" in the power bill over a reasonable time....

Good luck with the WMO burner... This creature I have set up changes the rules quite "interestingly" from batch to batch of WMO that I am fuelling with... (or fooling with...)... The damn thing loves to piss me around in the evening, it loves attention, but I am now on a grudge match with it - I WILL make it do what I want...!

To that end, I installed a small extension of around 6" between the burner proper and the auxilliary air inlet before the heatex - this allows for any goop to vaporise and recombust just past the air inlet...

Keep it Spinning....

Cheers
Ed
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« Reply #724 on: July 06, 2018, 08:57:32 AM »
Hey Guys,

A small report back...

After the small extension to the burner tube had been installed, the difference was "night and day"... Reliability has increased dramatically, quality of burn has improved no end and flame-outs have been reduced substantially... It is also way less sensitive to air/fuel mixture ratio, with a much wider adjustment range now...

A further small addition to it subsequently, is the adding of a 3" Gate valve on the bottom of the "chimney riser"  -  The burner enters the final riser on TM1's exhaust from the side at about a 22 degree upward angle, around 12" above the inlet from the lister's inlet. Previously, the exhaust entered via an elbow, this has now been changed to a T, with the lister entering from the left and I have installed the gate valve below this allowing me to regulate "stack bypass draught" to clean up stack emissions during cold starts and thick fuel goop.... Once everything is up to temperature from cold (it takes a bit of fuel mixture juggling to keep it clean while its warming up), the bypass draught can be closed virtually completely and the final mixture trimmed for an absolutely clear exhaust emission. A further advantage of the bypass adjuster, is the ability to overfuel the burner, encouraging controlled burning in the stack to decarbon the whole works without creating a smog bank!

Enough rambling....

Keep it flaming....

Cheers
Ed
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« Reply #725 on: July 10, 2018, 08:47:41 AM »
Hey Guys...

Right, post#1 - The BJG (Blow Job Gennie) is, at current altitude, a waste of time... It is currently mounted on a mast about 5m tall, amongst Workshop, House and Office prefabs. The topography, if that's the right word, doesn't allow it to get a 360 degree blow.. There are "avenues" of wind available, but the restrictions of the building roofs are just a bit much... Couple this to the fact that this property was chosen because of its peculiar wind characteristics (Being on the dead center of a lowish almost "dome" shaped hill, there is very little low altitude surface wind due to the slope deflecting it... It causes an updraft/low pressure cell under medium low wind conditions). This choice was for playing around with my radio towers/tracking dishes and for flying model heli's amidst all the other nonsense I get up to...

So, the long and the short of it is.... raise the altitude by a few meters to see if I can get a better yield... (6m of 3"pipe on order, I will remove the lower 2.5m section of mast and replace it with a 6, giving about 8.5 to 9m to rotor center....).... More on this later....

Keep it spinning...

Cheers
Ed
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« Reply #726 on: July 10, 2018, 09:07:40 AM »
Hey Guys...

Right, post#2 - Somewhere around this site I commented on a drip fed burner that I was thinking about, self regulating, easy, virtually spill-proof etc etc etc..

I have been collecting parts for it while pissing around with the other projects, but the one part I have been most keen on "finding", was a valve to regulate the drip flow to the burner proper, that could be "gravity" or weight activated...

For those that didn't see the previous thread, a basic explanation is as follows...

Low pressure, gravity fed oil is fed to a "control/regulator" valve.
This oil, after passing through the valve, is dripped into a small cup shaped container in the burner chamber.
As the cup fills, the increased weight of the cup, via a balance bar, closes off the valve to maintain its level.
Light the oil in the cup, as it is consumed, the cup gets lighter and the valve opens to allow more oil in...
When the cup is carboned up, the oil flow stops due to the carbon deposit weight, burner runs out of oil, flames out. Remove carbon cake and start again...

Now, the most daunting factor for most people is this wee little control valve... Well, Eureka! I stumbled across just what was needed while replacing the mains lead on my compressor last night...

The unloader valve on the pressure controlled motor switch is EXACTLY what this little burner requires. Seeing that the electric motor on my compressor has way more than enough starting torque to get things going, I have never coupled up the unloader valve anyway... so... it was "retasked" and placed in the little pile of bits I am accumulating for the gravity fed drip burner...

Note: For those who don't know what an unloader valve is - This is a small air valve that discharges the air pressure from the air piping between the air compressor head and the tank. It is activated/deactivated mechanically by a tab on the pressure switch of some compressors, or centrifugally by the crankshaft on the larger ones. When activated, it allows the compressor motor to start much "easier" due to a lower head pressure.....

Enough Rambling...

Cheers
Ed
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« Reply #727 on: July 10, 2018, 10:20:17 AM »

I'm still left with the feeling that wind is a lot of trouble and expense for the power produced.  At 30A your mill would be producing well under a KW. Spose if it does that half or all day it would be OK but other than that solar would have to be in the running.  Like you, I'd like to experiment with it one day anyhow.
The wind here is very much all or nothing though. Either blowing stuff around or nothing.

I was thinking of something compressor related for the weighted cut off valve as well. One of those little air duster things.  Figured you could extend the trigger bar to get more leverage and pretty much set the flow rate like that.  Move the burning cup along the bar till you get the on off to where you want it. They can be had here for $10 or so.

Now, Go buy yourself a new camera as well. want to see CLEAR, detailed pics with this one! And lots of them.   :laugh:

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« Reply #728 on: July 10, 2018, 11:31:23 AM »
Glort....

I have an old EOS450 with macro/tele lenses, ring and remote flashes, bipods, monopods, tripods et al.... Will that do?

I'll take the photies, send you the memcard, you resize, and photoshop them, send memcard back and I will post the pics to the thread...

Might take a week or two between sessions, but what'ya think?

Lol
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« Reply #729 on: July 10, 2018, 12:44:10 PM »

Wellllll....

We could do that or you just upload the pics to your site or i'll make a folder on my server for you to upload them too and I'll do all the editing from there.

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« Reply #730 on: July 10, 2018, 02:42:04 PM »
Smart arse!!

Ok ... you got me snookered now!

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« Reply #731 on: July 12, 2018, 08:48:25 PM »
Hey Guys...

Another small bit of Listerambling this eve...

Over the past few days I have been going over, sorting and repairing the little v twin Aeraspray compressor I picked up for a song... Now I know why too.... It managed to ingest its inlet valve poppet springs some time in the distant past... the cylinders are, shall we say "questionable" on the one, whilst the other is "reasonable" .... No matter, it should be ok for what i am going to put it through...

 Every bit and piece I have checked over so far, it was a "full" electric powered belt driven unit with tank etc, has needed more than a coat of paint to get basically serviceable... So far I have redone the valves, sorted the unloader pots, honed one cylinder to take out the worst of the ploughlines, made and fitted a dipstick, made new diaphragms for the unloaders, made a new spindle and adjuster for one unloader that was snapped, sorted, stripped, made new diaphragm for the unloader control valve, made new sealing disks for it too(damn, old tractor rear tubes are handy things), stripped, machined corroded surfaces on the water trap(a lovely aluminium, finned unit) and reassembled all of the above and tested...

Next job is to strip, clean, service and make parts and seals for the pressure regulator... judging by the stuff done so far, I thunk it will be a right PITA too...

After that, I think I will make up a long thin air receiver about 2m x 75mm dia and fit it down the one side of Tm1's chassis.... That should be enough for me to play about with I reckon...

As you probably gather, this little bj is gonna be diesel powered! I will belt it to the alternator, using the alternator as a lay shaft, there is enough space for the v-bj to sit far side of the bangy bits ....

Aah... just remembered, picked up a couple of 255w panels yesterday to muck around with, got them brand new... USD about 0.30 / watt.... Quite chuffed about that... Hooked one up to the bj gennie controller and  around midday today it was pushing about 10A with a bit of light cloud around as well... Now to try and find a decently priced grid tie inverter of about 5kw to start building up a usable array.... Suggestions welcome re a reliable, reasonably priced source....

Keep it spinning...

Cheers
Ed
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