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Re: Another 6/1 Restoration
« Reply #135 on: July 10, 2016, 04:35:45 PM »
I bought their fuel tank kit. Best price I could find anywhere. It is a decent kit. The only things that seem of poor quality are the hardware(bottom of the barrel Indian junk) and the fuel line(cheap). Everything else including the tank and fittings are really decent. I called in and talked to them and the guy I talked to was very nice and knowledgeable. Had everything 2 days later. They may take paypal if you call in.

Like you though I am still on the lookout for an original tank. This will at least give me something to hold fuel while I try to get it running.
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Re: Another 6/1 Restoration
« Reply #136 on: July 10, 2016, 05:24:13 PM »
Great. Thanks. Definately an option then.

.........This will at least give me something to hold fuel while I try to get it running.
I'm sooooooo tired of topping up that plasic funnel every 5 minutes  ::) :laugh:
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Re: Another 6/1 Restoration
« Reply #137 on: July 10, 2016, 06:20:24 PM »
As I recall, the threaded fitting on the Rajkot tank fits a standard US pipe fitting.  I just replaced the petcock valve with one from ACE hardware and then was fine for my early test runs. 

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Re: Another 6/1 Restoration
« Reply #138 on: July 10, 2016, 10:12:53 PM »
I live about 3 hours from their shop... nice guys to deal with. I just drop over for some cross border shopping and stop in.
I did buy a tank from them. The tank is fine, the valve was not so hot.. but kinda to be expected from across the pond.
They have quite a bit of old stock Listeroid parts at good prices.
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Re: Another 6/1 Restoration
« Reply #139 on: July 10, 2016, 10:21:18 PM »
When the shaking started wearing out the tank mounting bolts, I relocated the tank to a shelf on the shed wall and let the rubber fuel hose vibrate.

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Re: Another 6/1 Restoration
« Reply #140 on: July 11, 2016, 03:07:20 PM »
Managed to find one tank thus far at twice the price of the tank at CMD.. I'll try for another couple of days locally for an original (and hope the reduced price at CMD lasts as long!!)
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Re: Another 6/1 Restoration
« Reply #141 on: July 11, 2016, 04:18:36 PM »
We also stock the Rajkot fuel tanks, but they are certainly not of decent quality - especially alongside an original British unit. We also have original tanks, but the aging process has taken its toll on most everything I have looked at here. That old sheet metal is just nowhere near as resilient as the cast iron.  I have also investigated getting decent replica tanks built... need to order quantity 500 to even get started that direction.

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Re: Another 6/1 Restoration
« Reply #142 on: July 11, 2016, 07:14:18 PM »
...We also have original tanks, but...
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Ah! Almost got excited there  :D

...That old sheet metal is just nowhere near as resilient as the cast iron...
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Quite obvious how many old engines are without tanks... One would think that the oily diesel fuel would preserve the plate  ???
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Re: Another 6/1 Restoration
« Reply #143 on: July 11, 2016, 07:55:20 PM »
We do have good original tanks of close to the same dimensions - but made for their newer air-cooled line. That could be a viable option if you want original British steel and good quality. The newer tanks have a slight shape variation, (clearance under one side for fuel filter), but other than that are a close match and have the Lister name embossed in the steel.

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Re: Another 6/1 Restoration
« Reply #144 on: July 11, 2016, 08:23:11 PM »
Do you have anything specific in mind that can work as a suitable replacement?
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Re: Another 6/1 Restoration
« Reply #145 on: July 11, 2016, 10:37:16 PM »
We have the original round fuel tanks from Lister that were strapped to the cooling tanks... also have the rectangular engine-mounted units as per previous posting here.

You may email me with further questions or request pictures etc.. gary@dieselgen.com

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Re: Another 6/1 Restoration
« Reply #146 on: September 12, 2016, 08:47:25 AM »
With the weather warming up again I have renewed energy to get some things done around the house. Good thing weekends are only 2 days - I need the rest during the week  :D :D :D
The best time spend is of course working on the 6/1 project:

Trolley all cleaned up and painted


Engine bolted down to the frame for the last time... With all the handling and trial fits the flywheels got dinged and scratched on a couple of spots.
I've been careful with the rest of the components so no touch-ups needed anywhere else.


All shiny and pretty again  8)


Hallelujah... the LAST bits on the paint bench!!


.........and the million dollar question for this post:
How is the pulley fixed on the shaft? Can it be a shrink fit? It's keyed, but there are no retaining bolts or taper sleeves or anything like that to lock the pulley on the shaft. It was quite a mission to get all the old paint off with the pulley still in place. It is still on my to-do list to at some point put a smaller pulley on the alternator as the engine only spins at about 580 rpm to produce 50 Hz.

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Re: Another 6/1 Restoration
« Reply #147 on: September 12, 2016, 01:56:14 PM »
Hi DS,

That looks very similar to my Hoffberg alternator.... The pulley was held on by a allen grub screw screwed down onto the back of the key, on the inboard side of the pulley...

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Re: Another 6/1 Restoration
« Reply #148 on: September 12, 2016, 02:58:52 PM »
Hi EdDee.
That is a Hoffberg alternator!
(I swear I didn't see a grub screw hole... --- and  double checked again. nothing.)

I'll take a pic of the connector box tonight and post it here --- hope you can help me with the connections and what type of AVR will work here. You don't have a wiring diagram by any chance??




The two red wires are definitely the 230VAC output.
S and S1?
C and C1?

Just looking at the wire gauge of S and S1, this is probably a starter alternator.

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Re: Another 6/1 Restoration
« Reply #149 on: September 13, 2016, 08:41:15 AM »
Hi DS,

I am not using an AVR on mine... Just the old shunt transformer/rectifier to exciter.... As to the wiring diagram side, no luck I am afraid, but I will scratch round and see what I can find....

Take a really good look for the grub screw hole on the pulley boss, on occasion, they fill with gunk and are really hard to spot. Mine had a 1/4" grub screw in it...(Usually the grub screw pushes on the back of the key)... Is there no evidence of a taper bush or similar? I have not seen the pulleys press fitted on these units, or taper keys either for that matter, but, it is not impossible....

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