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Three Phase to DC
« on: January 10, 2010, 03:30:21 PM »

I'm still on the hunt for a cheap method of getting ac onto the grid.  Here's a rectifier which seems close.  Those of you that actually know what the heck you're talking about might give me some advise.  Yes, I have enquired about other units on Ebay but this one looks pretty good.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130357875469&_trksid=p2761.l1259

I emailed the seller about the quality of the DC out and got this reply:

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Depends on the load. This unit is rated at 60 amp max load - 50amp with connected-included fuse. This unit was/is used in Electrical Discharge cnc Machines. Although , EDM's require stable DC voltage to operate properely. This unit most of the time performs very well with most ac inputs.Depending on application, the AC input should go through a noise filter first. The diodes are replacable in this unit. Hope this helps

Am I to presume that the voltage out will be close to the voltage in and only uppy-downies are taken away?

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Re: Three Phase to DC
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2010, 07:40:18 PM »

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  Am I to presume that the voltage out will be close to the voltage in and only uppy-downies are taken away?
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Depends on the load you present the rectifier with.  Light load, output DC close to the AC peaks.  Heavy load, closer to the AC 50% point.
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Re: Three Phase to DC
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2010, 07:17:59 PM »

Well the picture of the 3 phase rectifyer has no sign of any filtration, so it will have some ripple.
Single phase AC looks like this:




Single phase rectified DC looks like this(large ammount of ripple):




3 phase rectified DC looks like this:



Since 3 phase has two more phases(4 more positive going rectified peaks), it fills in the valleys seen on single phase rectified DC.

Single phase rectified can be made to look like this.  It takes a large filter capacitor to charge during the peak and carry the voltage output across the valley.  Note the sawtooth waveform as the cap discharges between the rectified peaks.  The larger the DC current draw, the larger the cap needed to maintain output voltage stability.

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Re: Three Phase to DC
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2010, 06:06:11 AM »

We build large industrial battery chargers & power supplies, up to and over 100kW.

The thing to remember is conversion losses, the bigger and uglier thyristor supplies are only 65% efficient, so you have to factor that in when doing your calculations.

Low power factor is another issue with big transformers and phase control.

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