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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #421 on: February 16, 2010, 10:41:30 PM »
Bob....it doesn't take -20 deg to make a cold front.  All it has to be is slightly cooler than the air coming up from Alabama to interact and make percip.   If you want it to be snow, you only need it to be -2 deg C and you've got all the snow you want.

I said, global warming makes STRONGER lows and highs, that's what's responsible for the sucking and pushing.

I wonder, have you ever heard anyone that has calculated how many horse power it takes to generate and run a hurricane????   :o
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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #422 on: February 16, 2010, 10:49:59 PM »
And it was the warmest month in recorded history worldwide.....Just a few tenths of a degree warmer means more powerful lows sucking moist air up from the South, and more cold air down from the North, mixing over the great plains to make stronger storms and more snow in the midwest US and the East coast of the continent while drawing the "pineapple express" warm air current in from the direction of Hawaii to blanket the South West in wetter wets, and the N. West coast in warm moist conditions.  Mix in a good strong el nino and sit back and watch the excitement in the next couple of years.   :o :o :o :o :o

Easily explainable, just the laws of fluid dynamics in the atmosphere.  Just plain old simple science.
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Interesting, for the warmest month in recorded history, we have the East coast frozen and the EU in a deep freeze.  Where did you get your record setting info from... more so as Feb has not finished yet.  Were the temperatures recorded in Mexico?  Texas is in a freeze
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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #423 on: February 16, 2010, 11:09:24 PM »

It has been tough to keep up with all the bad news for global warming alarmists. We're on the edge of our chair, waiting for the next shoe to drop. This has been an Imelda Marcos kind of season for shoe-dropping about global warming.

At your next dinner party, here are some of the latest talking points to bring up when someone reminds you that Al Gore and the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change won Nobel prizes for their work on global warming.

ClimateGate – This scandal began the latest round of revelations when thousands of leaked documents from Britain's East Anglia Climate Research Unit showed systematic suppression and discrediting of climate skeptics' views and discarding of temperature data, suggesting a bias for making the case for warming. Why do such a thing if, as global warming defenders contend, the "science is settled?"

FOIGate – The British government has since determined someone at East Anglia committed a crime by refusing to release global warming documents sought in 95 Freedom of Information Act requests. The CRU is one of three international agencies compiling global temperature data. If their stuff's so solid, why the secrecy?

ChinaGate – An investigation by the U.K.'s left-leaning Guardian newspaper found evidence that Chinese weather station measurements not only were seriously flawed, but couldn't be located. "Where exactly are 42 weather monitoring stations in remote parts of rural China?" the paper asked. The paper's investigation also couldn't find corroboration of what Chinese scientists turned over to American scientists, leaving unanswered, "how much of the warming seen in recent decades is due to the local effects of spreading cities, rather than global warming?" The Guardian contends that researchers covered up the missing data for years.

HimalayaGate – An Indian climate official admitted in January that, as lead author of the IPCC's Asian report, he intentionally exaggerated when claiming Himalayan glaciers would melt away by 2035 in order to prod governments into action. This fraudulent claim was not based on scientific research or peer-reviewed. Instead it was originally advanced by a researcher, since hired by a global warming research organization, who later admitted it was "speculation" lifted from a popular magazine. This political, not scientific, motivation at least got some researcher funded.

PachauriGate – Rajendra Pachauri, the IPCC chairman who accepted with Al Gore the Nobel Prize for scaring people witless, at first defended the Himalaya melting scenario. Critics, he said, practiced "voodoo science." After the melting-scam perpetrator 'fessed up, Pachauri admitted to making a mistake. But, he insisted, we still should trust him.

PachauriGate II – Pachauri also claimed he didn't know before the 192-nation climate summit meeting in Copenhagen in December that the bogus Himalayan glacier claim was sheer speculation. But the London Times reported that a prominent science journalist said he had pointed out those errors in several e-mails and discussions to Pachauri, who "decided to overlook it." Stonewalling? Cover up? Pachauri says he was "preoccupied." Well, no sense spoiling the Copenhagen party, where countries like Pachauri's India hoped to wrench billions from countries like the United States to combat global warming's melting glaciers. Now there are calls for Pachauri's resignation.

SternGate – One excuse for imposing worldwide climate crackdown has been the U.K.'s 2006 Stern Report, an economic doomsday prediction commissioned by the government. Now the U.K. Telegraph reports that quietly after publication "some of these predictions had been watered down because the scientific evidence on which they were based could not be verified." Among original claims now deleted were that northwest Australia has had stronger typhoons in recent decades, and that southern Australia lost rainfall because of rising ocean temperatures. Exaggerated claims get headlines. Later, news reporters disclose the truth. Why is that?

SternGate II – A researcher now claims the Stern Report misquoted his work to suggest a firm link between global warming and more-frequent and severe floods and hurricanes. Robert Muir-Wood said his original research showed no such link. He accused Stern of "going far beyond what was an acceptable extrapolation of the evidence." We're shocked.

AmazonGate – The London Times exposed another shocker: the IPCC claim that global warming will wipe out rain forests was fraudulent, yet advanced as "peer-reveiwed" science. The Times said the assertion actually "was based on an unsubstantiated claim by green campaigners who had little scientific expertise," "authored by two green activists" and lifted from a report from the World Wildlife Fund, an environmental pressure group. The "research" was based on a popular science magazine report that didn't bother to assess rainfall. Instead, it looked at the impact of logging and burning. The original report suggested "up to 40 percent" of Brazilian rain forest was extremely sensitive to small reductions in the amount of rainfall, but the IPCC expanded that to cover the entire Amazon, the Times reported.

PeerReviewGate – The U.K. Sunday Telegraph has documented at least 16 nonpeer-reviewed reports (so far) from the advocacy group World Wildlife Fund that were used in the IPCC's climate change bible, which calls for capping manmade greenhouse gases.

RussiaGate – Even when global warming alarmists base claims on scientific measurements, they've often had their finger on the scale. Russian think tank investigators evaluated thousands of documents and e-mails leaked from the East Anglia research center and concluded readings from the coldest regions of their nation had been omitted, driving average temperatures up about half a degree.

Russia-Gate II – Speaking of Russia, a presentation last October to the Geological Society of America showed how tree-ring data from Russia indicated cooling after 1961, but was deceptively truncated and only artfully discussed in IPCC publications. Well, at least the tree-ring data made it into the IPCC report, albeit disguised and misrepresented.

U.S.Gate – If Brits can't be trusted, are Yanks more reliable? The U.S. National Climate Data Center has been manipulating weather data too, say computer expert E. Michael Smith and meteorologist Joesph D'Aleo. Forty years ago there were 6,000 surface-temperature measuring stations, but only 1,500 by 1990, which coincides with what global warming alarmists say was a record temperature increase. Most of the deleted stations were in colder regions, just as in the Russian case, resulting in misleading higher average temperatures.

IceGate – Hardly a continent has escaped global warming skewing. The IPCC based its findings of reductions in mountain ice in the Andes, Alps and in Africa on a feature story of climbers' anecdotes in a popular mountaineering magazine, and a dissertation by a Switzerland university student, quoting mountain guides. Peer-reviewed? Hype? Worse?

ResearchGate – The global warming camp is reeling so much lately it must have seemed like a major victory when a Penn State University inquiry into climate scientist Michael Mann found no misconduct regarding three accusations of climate research impropriety. But the university did find "further investigation is warranted" to determine whether Mann engaged in actions that "seriously deviated from accepted practices for proposing, conducting or reporting research or other scholarly activities." Being investigated for only one fraud is a global warming victory these days.

ReefGate – Let's not forget the alleged link between climate change and coral reef degradation. The IPCC cited not peer-reviewed literature, but advocacy articles by Greenpeace, the publicity-hungry advocacy group, as its sole source for this claim.

AfricaGate – The IPCC claim that rising temperatures could cut in half agricultural yields in African countries turns out to have come from a 2003 paper published by a Canadian environmental think tank – not a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

DutchGate – The IPCC also claimed rising sea levels endanger the 55 percent of the Netherlands it says is below sea level. The portion of the Netherlands below sea level actually is 20 percent. The Dutch environment minister said she will no longer tolerate climate researchers' errors.

AlaskaGate – Geologists for Space Studies in Geophysics and Oceanography and their U.S. and Canadian colleagues say previous studies largely overestimated by 40 percent Alaskan glacier loss for 40 years. This flawed data are fed into those computers to predict future warming.

Fold this column up and lay it next to your napkin the next time you have Al Gore or his ilk to dine. It should make interesting after-dinner conversation.

And of course to all the above, you can add:

Pachaurigate III: It has been well established that Pachauri, the head of the IPCC, serves on the board of numerous green companies and organizations and is slated to become as rich as Bill Gates on the CO2 schemes being proposed under the guise of global warming. The green is all about greed it seems.

GISSgate: In response to a freedom of information request NASA’s GISS was required to produce a series of emails, which in turn revealed that (a) NASA admits the current warm period is not historically different from the period around 1921-1950, and (cool.gif that there has been no sign of global warming in North America or the US. How is global warming possible when it is not ‘global’?

Coolergate: The real killer is the global temperature itself, which has been cooling since 2000, and not showing any warming since 1995 – according to Dr Phil Jones, previous head of CRU. In addition, Jones admitted there is no data to overturn the long held scientific theory that the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) was as warm or warmer than today. Jones admits lack of data in other regions was used by Mann and others to make up the idea the MWP was cooler, but lack of data is not the same thing as proxies showing cooler temps!

It is a great list to clobber the few die-hard Al Gore groupies with.
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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #424 on: February 16, 2010, 11:27:18 PM »
I'm not complaining its been a nice winter here mild to normal, less snow...
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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #425 on: February 16, 2010, 11:28:00 PM »
I'd realy like to pick this up in 20 years.....

I have 20 bucks on Stan
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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #426 on: February 16, 2010, 11:33:59 PM »
If Stan's right we'll all have been broiled long before that but I'll put $ 20.00 on human beings.

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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #427 on: February 16, 2010, 11:52:22 PM »
Talking all bets here.....

Talking all bets.......

Step right up.....

I'm probably going to get the crap kicked out of me for this one....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLi2QU3OEOQ&feature=related
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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #428 on: February 17, 2010, 12:13:09 AM »
Talking all bets here.....

Talking all bets.......

Step right up.....

I'm probably going to get the crap kicked out of me for this one....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLi2QU3OEOQ&feature=related

I saw a lot of stuff on pollution... not much on global warming
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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #429 on: February 17, 2010, 01:58:45 AM »
Ya but its all MJ and that fellow makes my skin crawl....
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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #430 on: February 17, 2010, 03:00:30 AM »
Doug:

put me down for 20, and  you know which side i am betting on!

"momma nature", she wins out every time

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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #431 on: February 17, 2010, 03:14:52 AM »
Andrew, Nice posting, too bad it's straight out of "partial truths to obfuscate the issues"..   Waay too long to critique the entire thing, here's just one example....

"AmazonGate – The London Times exposed another shocker: the IPCC claim that global warming will wipe out rain forests was fraudulent, yet advanced as "peer-reveiwed" science. The Times said the assertion actually "was based on an unsubstantiated claim by green campaigners who had little scientific expertise," "authored by two green activists" and lifted from a report from the World Wildlife Fund, an environmental pressure group. The "research" was based on a popular science magazine report that didn't bother to assess rainfall. Instead, it looked at the impact of logging and burning. The original report suggested "up to 40 percent" of Brazilian rain forest was extremely sensitive to small reductions in the amount of rainfall, but the IPCC expanded that to cover the entire Amazon, the Times reported."

Again the partial truth.  Yes the "green campaigners" were quoted in the Times with this story.  BUT (here's the rest of the story) the actual scientific study was done, it's facts were correct, it's predictions are stood by the scientists.  They were actually a little miffed that the Times reported the source was a green environmental group, but in any event its a good study, well done, and well reviewed.

It's too bad the people who make a living by trying to pick holes in the global warming camp don't research a little more in depth into their stories before they report them so the rest of the story can be told.

I'm still waiting for any anti-global warming group to do their own research, publish it and "prove" a) the world is not warming up.   b) it's not being caused by man, and c) its not going to be bad for us.  :-\

btw....the "January 2010"  (not february) global temperature data shows the worlds average temp in January is the warmest in recorded history.  Here's all the data.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/02/04/january-uah-global-temperature-warmest/

Where's the anti-global warming data ?   ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #432 on: February 17, 2010, 04:56:12 AM »
Stan.... your own link explains the peak... here it is, a direct cut and copy.

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The global-average lower tropospheric temperature anomaly soared to +0.72 deg. C in January, 2010. This is the warmest January in the 32-year satellite-based data record.

The tropics and Northern and Southern Hemispheres were all well above normal, especially the tropics where El Nino conditions persist. Note the global-average warmth is approaching the warmth reached during the 1997-98 El Nino, which peaked in February of 1998.

Oh yes Stan, stop the hyperbol, this is only a 32 year record... not the warmest on record, only over the last 32 years

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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #433 on: February 17, 2010, 02:11:15 PM »
I feel like doing some bets....

I feel this spring and summer are going to be warmer and earlier than normal.

If I win Bob and Andrew owe 1 pound of coffee ( must not be of Brazilian origins ). If I loose I will mail you both a  nice shiny rock ( same thing I gave Stan ). You guys work out a fair bet with stan ok?

Can't bet any money Bob, I don't have any to spare....
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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #434 on: February 17, 2010, 02:41:28 PM »
Can I get in on this bet.... ;D ;D ;D