Climate Warming a hoax?

[Stan]

Doug

The guy's name is Dr. Lee, and he's in the Architecture school at the University of Calgary.  I think the National Building Code association of Canada would be the research key. http://www.nationalcodes.ca/ccbfc/index_e.shtml   I haven't looked at it myself, just talked to the guy last night and again this afternoon (about the new generation of small scale fast breeder reactors, fascinating machines).  He really knows his stuff all right!

Tijean.  I agree that is going to scare a lot of people and there are 2 camps in that regard.  Camp 1 says go slow and use a lot of education, similar to the campaign to decrease smoking which made it "uncool" to smoke.  Camp 2 says we are running on borrowed time already.  Global warming is approaching critical mass, and may be already past the tipping point.  The best remedy would be to scare people because it is a scary thing.  You takes your pick of which camp you ascribe to.  Some like James Kunstler (google his blogs)  say what we do doesn't matter anymore because it's probably already out of our control (at least the economics of it) and all we can do is close our eyes, hang on and try not to scream like a little girl and wet our pants. 

Stan

[t19]

Gee Stan, what has our PM done that is so bad?  Restored Pride in our Canadian Military?  Acted decisively to assist Haiti with the large Cargo Jets(full of supplies, Rescue helicopters etc) the Liberals dithered about for 20 years and the Commies..er... NDP said we did not need?  Was it the tax cut in the GST that you did not like?  Maybe it was his stacking the Senate today so that he can get laws passed without getting everything watered down by the Senate or stalled, or that now that he has control, introduce Term Limits and Elections for our Senate??  Maybe you don't like the fact the G20 and the IMF point to Canada as an example of how to conduct business with Banks that are strong and not crippled like in the US, or the EU?  The PM may not be Dr Susuki on Global Warming, and frankly that is a good thing. 

BTW Stan, you should point out the building Code is being re written not because of Climate Change, regardless of what those in Lotus land are preaching.  Seems that Part of Free Trade calls for the harmonization of many codes, building codes being one of them.  This makes for the easy passage of goods between the two countries.  Canada had just adopted into our building code, word for word the American Standards on Seismic codes.. not because US ones are stronger or weaker... we did not have any. BTW the Americans are looking at adopting many of our banking codes to make sure they don't have the issues they had earlier.

Where do you get the past the critical path stuff?  Even at Copenhagen they said we had time if, and that was a big if, the predictions were right, but it seems all the predictions cant seem to get the story right

[Doug]

Andy is talking politics again....

Do i need to slap you with more Brezhnev?

good read from the economist ( ya those left wing socialist pinkies lol )
http://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15404916&subjectID=423172&fsrc=nwl

Reading the sudbury star this evening look at some pictures and reading the details.

100 years ago this place was called St Anne of the pines for all the stands of white pine ( that were chopped down and burned in open roasting pits or milled and sold as lumber ). Next the town I knew as a boy blue clouds of So2 and smog. Then the green revolution of the 80s that turned Sudbury in Finland ( birch trees and poplar choke cherry ). Then the interesting bits. Wind speed since 1970 has dropped 15%, average temperature has risen 1 to 2 deg. Predictions for the next 20 30 years. 30 days less frost wild apple, cherry and peaches. Also more rain less snow ( more water in general. More violent storms heat waves and sever droughts.

In short in my lifetime my home town will have changed from a moon scape, to Finland and will finally morph into the republic of Georgia ( more soviet humor ). Down side summer smog will drive the people from Toronto north.

http://www.thesudburystar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2285272
Time to start looking at building that off grid Datcha someplace secure far away from those roving bands of Tornot yuppies lol

[mobile_bob]

Hey Doug:

if Stan's side has their way about it, the new building electrical code will be very easy

there will be no wires over #28 awg, and we will all get two AA batteries to live on from month to month!

of course you will have to recycle your old ones to get two new ones each month.



thank god for led lights, and they better get even better than they are now, lest we all be sitting in the dark!

of course this is where those on the AGW side of things want us, that is sitting in the dark.

bob g

[Doug]

Personally I think I would prefer to move toStanistsan that stay here in Dougladesh ( where things are going hell ( brazil specifically  ).

However if you send me a map of Boblevakia I would be inclined to visit sample the local game and culinary practices.

Stan the man from Stanistan has become infatuated with gas light ( thanks to me lol ) the new building codes there will require all homes to use the Coleman hollow wire system and burn alcohol like Finland in the 40s .

[Stan]

Where do you get the past the critical path stuff?  Even at Copenhagen they said we had time if, and that was a big if, the predictions were right, but it seems all the predictions cant seem to get the story right

Andrew, you know very well that was politicians talking.
Stan

[t19]

No, did not see many politicians talking (the stench of scandal was in the air), did see some scientists on panels ...

So you never answered the questions about what it is the pm has done that is so wrong?

[Doug]

Where are the politicians talking?
Harper put a stop to that.....

The only good Torry is a Suppository

[mobile_bob]

could it be that the islands are just sinking?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/6803669/Could-islands-be-swamped-because-of-sinking-land-and-not-by-rising-sea-levels.html

what has the PM done that is counter to Stan?
the pm is conservative?

bob g

[t19]

He Did put a stop to them talking?  How?  I still see Taliban Jack Layton and Iffy on TV.

Now that he has stacked the Senate lets home he can get something done.  (yeah prologue of Parliament means all the committes in the Senate have to now be recast... with a Conservative as chair and Conservative majority of members.)

[t19]

Well I saw this online in the.... Star today (lefty paper)

All the Greenies have been saying that green jobs is the place you want to be... but as many have pointed out here in this forum, green is not a money maker

ll we know about this deal, negotiated in secret and announced as a fait accompli, is Samsung obviously thinks it’s going to make a heck of a lot more of our money than the $7 billion it’s investing, through (a) the heavily-subsidized rates we will be paying for 2,500 megawatts of wind and solar power (2,000 wind, 500 solar) at 13.5˘ per kw/hr for wind, 44.3˘ per kw/hr for solar (b) a $437-million performance bonus and (c) whatever it makes from selling wind turbines and solar modules in Ontario and elsewhere.

McGuilty claims this deal will create 1,440 permanent manufacturing jobs and 16,000 jobs in all — most temporary — for a mere $1.60 per year more on the average electricity bill, part of his plan to provide at least 50,000 new jobs through his Green Energy Act.

Is any of this remotely credible? Who knows? We don’t even know if these 50,000 “new” jobs are “net” new jobs — meaning beyond those that will be lost in the traditional energy sector.

We do know that in Spain, considered a world leader in renewable energy, a study by economics Prof. Grabriel Calzeda Alvarez of Madrid’s Juan Carlos University found it lost at least 2.2 jobs elsewhere in the economy for every green one created, that only one in 10 green jobs was permanent and the estimated cost to taxpayers for each one was 571,138 euros ($850,000 Canadian). For wind, over one million euros ($1.49 million Canadian.)

Ouch, say its not so!!!

[Doug]

http://www.economist.com/sciencetechnology/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15211377

Blaw blaw blaw blaw.


I Hope the rain forrest in Brazil and Indonesia turns into a smoky bonfire and savan by next spring

I realy don't care anymore bring on the heat and fire.
Ballance the equation....
Let the chips fall....

I realy want the world to got hell now bring on the 4 horsemen.
We get what we deserve ( I just hope those I dislike the most reap the most )

[Stan]

No, did not see many politicians talking (the stench of scandal was in the air), did see some scientists on panels ...

So you never answered the questions about what it is the pm has done that is so wrong?

Plain and simple..He's subverted democracy.  Remember democracy Andrew?  That's not just what one dictator thinks is right.  For all you Americans reading this, our prime minister has twice proroged (cancelled) all government actions, and sent all the elected representatives home so that he doesn't get shot down in flames. 

I wonder what the people in the US would do if their president shut down congress and their senate and sent all the elected representatives of the people home so he could rule all by himself.

That's just as bad as any tinpot dictator proclaiming himself leader for life.  But we all know what happens to those guys.
Stan

[Doug]

What Stan is talking about is a parliamentary procedure called "Prorogue".

Its intended to be used when all the work is done. The PM gets off his ass and goes over the governor generals house and asks that Parliament be prorogued because all the business has been attended too. Then after a short break the government returns and a new thrown speech outlining the next Parliaments business will be is announced and everyone discusses until blue in the face and passes some bills.

This Government has twice used this parliamentary rules to avoid a non confidence motion ( if they loose a vote on an important bill the government falls and an election is called ) and this January to close up all committees asking questions about torture of Afghan prisoners and to kill some embarrassing private members bills that the government would force the government to answere some questions they wish to avoid.

Harper is so arrogant he call the governor general on the phone rather than meet her in person to ask to prorogue. No PM has ever been so arrogant they always formally made an appointment and asked in person addressing the Gov Gen as if she was queen since she is the queens leagal representative in Canada and signs bills into law ect.

For the sake of clarity the governor general is a person chosen by Parliament to be head of state. A sort of president with no real power other than ceremonial stand in for the queen. She can legally dissolve Parliament and call elections, refuse proroguing etc but that would not be democratic

This will explain a little of whats going on and why people like me are mad as hell at the Tories.
GET BACK TO WORK YOU BUMS!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40th_Canadian_Parliament

If you really get down to a Canadian Conservative party is not all that conservative . Republicans in the USA would call them liberals . But what they are  in the eyes of many Canadians like me is self serving and sneaky more interested in staying in power than good governance. I'd rather have a Quebec separatist as PM at least he's honest about his intentions.

Hey look Steven in his office caught on film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJOuoyoMhj8

[t19]

Doug, just some corrections to Canadian Pol Sci 101

Just to be totally Correct, Private Members Bills are not effected by Porouge.  So that bad Long Gun Registry will die.

Governor General is recommended by the PM, the Queen picks her GG.  She can put whomever she likes in the post, but has gone along with the PMs recommendation since the 1930's.

Since 1867 we have Porouged Parliament over 140 times.  The Last Liberal PM did it twice when he had a majority of votes in the house, the last one to stop the Auditor General from releasing a report on the Sponsorship Scandal.... yet there were no protests.

This PM Porouged last year to stop the Three Amigo's from taking over the Govt where you would have a Socialist and Separtist calling the shots ... yet Doug and Stan seem ok with that.  This year the opposition were upset over the torture of one, yes one TALIBAN with explosive residue on his skin, who was beaten with a shoe by an Afghani Police officer... which is a cultural custom in the middle east.  The PM also wanted to change the Senate to stop them watering down a number of bills, which now will get through Parliament as written and passed by a majority of MPs and not some Senators playing politics.

As for the phone call, the GG was not in residence, check the calender Doug, she was out of town on other business.

Her role is a follows from her web site

In 1947, letters patent signed by King George VI redefine the powers of the governor general. These letters patent “authorize and empower Our Governor General, with the advice of Our Privy Council for Canada or any members thereof or individually, as the case requires, to exercise all powers and authorities lawfully belonging to Usin respect of Canada”. Since then, the governor general has daily and fully exercised the duties of the Head of State, not only in Canada, but also abroad. As per the letters patent, the governor general is also the commander-in-chief of Canada.

The governor general represents Canada during State visits abroad and receives Royal visitors, heads of State and foreign ambassadors at Rideau Hall and at the Citadelle of Québec.

The Canadian Constitution (Constitution Act, 1867) places executive power in the Queen. However, in practice this power is exercised by the prime minister and his ministers. The governor general acts on the advice of the prime minister and the government, but has the right to advise, to encourage and to warn. As such, the governor general offers valued counsel to them.

One of the governor general’s most important responsibilities is to ensure that Canada always has a prime minister and a government in place that has the confidence of Parliament. In addition, the governor general holds certain reserve powers, which are exercised at his or her own discretion.

The governor general presides over the swearing-in of the prime minister, the chief justice of Canada and cabinet ministers. It is the governor general who summons, prorogues and dissolves Parliament, delivers the Speech from the Throne, and gives Royal Assent to acts of Parliament. The governor general signs official documents and regularly meets with the prime minister.

Heads of mission sent to Canada are received by the governor general at an official ceremony, where he or she presents a document signed by their respective countries’ head of State, informing the governor general that the head of mission has been accredited and is authorized to represent that country in Canada. These documents are referred to as credentials.

Furthermore, the governor general accredits Canadian heads of mission by signing the diplomatic letters accrediting them before they leave Canada.

And that ends todays class.  There will be a quick test in the future