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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #240 on: January 27, 2010, 05:48:04 PM »
Cute doug...I've got a cute one too, read on...

Bob...Scenario Fulfullment syndrome?  where ever did you get that one? 

What I'm talking about is "Who do you trust".  Now I know you aren't going to believe me, rightly so because you don't know me from a hole in the wall.  But people here have quoted the London Daily Star, which is similar to the National Enquirer here in N. America. 

Most of my research into the "global warming hoax people" have all led back to a 2003 speech by senator James Inhofe in the US who is a certifiable loony of the first order.  Constantly making incorrect and wild assertions such as comparing tree huggers to Hitler.  I mean come on, lets insert a little common sense here.

When it comes right down to it, I figure I'd trust the data and interpretation of that data to the five major neutral scientific organizations I mentioned in a past posting to anyone, any day, anywhere,  especially people like Limbaugh and Gingrich and Inhofe.

I do think that the London Daily Star does have a couple of good points however in this url.... ;)    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/starbabes/5055/Jodie-Star-Babe/

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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #241 on: January 27, 2010, 06:05:45 PM »
I do think that the London Daily Star does have a couple of good points however in this url.... ;)    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/starbabes/5055/Jodie-Star-Babe/

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« Reply #242 on: January 27, 2010, 07:24:56 PM »
lmao!!!

the one and only time i take a look at a link that Stan puts forth and i am met with this!!!

too funny!

there is an old saying, "follow the money"

and somehow the the end of the trek is a naked woman?

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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #243 on: January 27, 2010, 07:59:08 PM »
Follow the money.....

AH HA!!!!!

I know who is behind all of this.
Only the repsonsible maney managers of The Crimson Permanent Assurance can save us.

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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #244 on: January 27, 2010, 08:59:10 PM »
"Climategate" Should Trigger Reset
Andrew Weaver, Canada's leading climate scientist, is calling for replacement of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change leadership and institutional reform. Weaver is the Canada Research Chair in Climate Modelling and Analysis at the University of Victoria, and told Canwest News yesterday that there has been some "dangerous crossing" of the line between climate advocacy and science at the IPCC

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2010/01/26/387156.aspx
http://www.windsorstar.com/technology/Canadian+scientist+says+global+warming+panel+crossing+line/2487264/story.html
"There's been some dangerous crossing of that line," said Weaver on Tuesday, echoing the published sentiments of other top climate scientists in the U.S. and Europe this week.

"Some might argue we need a change in some of the upper leadership of the IPCC, who are perceived as becoming advocates," he told Canwest News Service. "I think that is a very legitimate question."

Weaver also says the IPCC has become too large and unwieldy. He says its periodic reports, such as the 3,000 page, 2007 report that won the Nobel Prize, are eating up valuable academic resources and driving scientists to produce work on tight, artificial deadlines, at the expense of other, longer-term inquiries that are equally important to understanding climate change.

"The problem we have is that the IPCC process has taken on a life of its own," says Weaver, a climate-modelling physicist who co-authored chapters in the past three IPCC reports.

"I think the IPCC needs a fundamental shift."

Weaver's comments follow a series of recent revelations about the scientific credibility of the IPCC's work.

The panel admitted last week that its 2007 report wrongly asserted that Himalayan glaciers likely would melt by 2035. That alarming claim created concern across southern and eastern Asia, whose major rivers are fed by the glaciers.

While the content of IPCC reports is supposed to be rigorously checked by a scientific, peer-review system, those rules weren't followed in this case. The glacier-melting claim was kept in the report even though some glacier experts considered it preposterous.

The claim originated with an Indian glaciologist, Syed Hasnain, who works for a research company in India headed by Rajendra Pachauri, the IPCC's chairman.

British newspaper reports say Pachauri's company used the false glacier claim to win multi-million-dollar research grants from the U.S. and Europe.

The scientist responsible for the Asia chapter in the IPCC report also told a British newspaper that he included Hasnain's glacier claim for political purposes.

"We thought," said IPCC author Murari Lal, according to The Mail on Sunday, "that if we can highlight it, it will impact policy-makers and politicians and encourage them to take some concrete action."

The damage to the IPCC's credibility caused by the "glaciergate" affair, and by last December's "climategate" scandal, have provided months of fodder for critics who have long been skeptical of the IPCC's warnings.

Weaver says Pachauri, the panel's chairman, should resign, not only for his recent failings but because he was a poor choice to lead the IPCC to begin with.

Ross McKitrick, an economist at the University of Guelph, Ont., and a well-known IPCC critic, says the panel's scientific failings, and its willingness to cross the line into advocacy, will eventually percolate into the policy arena.

"The halo has come off the IPCC," he says. "At the time of the 2007 report, there were very few politicians willing to question statements from the IPCC. Now, as this plays out, people will start to be embarrassed to cite the IPCC."

Weaver says the vast majority of the science in the IPCC reports is valid, and that the glacier revelations —"one small thing," in a 3,000 word document, as he calls it — shouldn't be used to discredit other parts of the report.

"There is not a global conspiracy to drum up false evidence of global warming," he says.

But Weaver admits the IPCC needs to change, for the sake of climate science, and for its own credibility.

He also says the IPCC must stop producing huge, all-encompassing reports on every aspect of climate science and instead re-organize itself into a series of small, highly-focused groups, each tasked with examining a single specific scientific question and none required to publish their conclusions on quick deadlines.

And he says IPCC officials must cease being "over enthusiastic" in pushing for policy changes.

"Nobody should be using particular pieces of information to advance an agenda," says Weaver. "The IPCC cannot be an advocate, because it's not tasked to do that."

On this point, Weaver and McKitrick agree.

"The IPCC is not going to be able to recover from this unless there's an honest attempt to reform their procedures," says McKitrick. "They need to start doing what they've always claimed to do — to be balanced, and open, and scientifically rigorous."
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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #245 on: January 27, 2010, 09:14:56 PM »
Yes Andrew...I agree with both you and the guy from U. Vic.....The protocol at the ipcc broke down and someone made a mistake and didn't do the peer review on that bogus story out of India that was reported by right wing press around the world.  No one is arguing that the peer review process is the ONLY way to get accurate data and data interpretation out to the public.  That has been the main point that I have been trying to make for weeks now in this thread.

The unfortunate part of the article in the National Post (a very right wing publisher) is that they paint the entire scientific community as bogus because one editor didn't check his/her facts and let a story slip through.  If we thrashed ourselves into a frenzy every time that happened in a newspaper, we'd all be nervous wrecks long before puberty!

Quit reading only ultra-right wing press Andrew.  Broaden your horizons.  Swivel your head around a little to the left and see what the other side is saying, some of it might even make some sense.  Hey, I read several of James Inhofe's speaches, which I admit were quite funny, especially his speech in the US senate about "not having had any homosexual experiences in his family"........  ::)

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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #246 on: January 27, 2010, 09:16:06 PM »
lmao!!!


there is an old saying, "follow the money"

and somehow the the end of the trek is a naked woman?

bob g

Isn't there always?  :-[
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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #247 on: January 28, 2010, 12:13:07 AM »
lmao!!!


there is an old saying, "follow the money"

and somehow the the end of the trek is a naked woman?

bob g

Still looking for mine....

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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #248 on: January 28, 2010, 12:57:19 AM »
I'm armed with a banana....

Give me your wallets or I'll shoot you full of potassium...

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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #249 on: January 28, 2010, 01:11:02 AM »
When I was young I realy wanted to join the RCN.
Bloody cold war, peace broke out.....

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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #250 on: January 28, 2010, 03:00:34 AM »
I read the Toronto Star everyday, its just left of Pravda

Unfortunately based on the emails leaked, even the peer review process has been corrupted by a few through pressure and withholding of funds and access to journal publication

Stan, maybe you dont see it with your rose coloured glasses, but big oil is not the only bad guy.  People like Maurice Strong are out to destroy the West and he was one of the first to get rich on Carbon Taxes and Cap and Trade
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« Reply #251 on: January 28, 2010, 05:21:57 AM »
Are we back to the leaked emails?  Here's what I think of that debacle. 

First of all, the people who hacked into private computers should be convicted of theft.  I someone had hacked into yours or my computer, I think both of us would feel the same.

Second of all, these emails were heavily censored and altered by deleting portions before they were leaked to the press.  Here's how that works.  A few weeks ago I went to see the movie "New Moon" with my wife, as she had gone to see 2032 with me.  I was describing the movie to a friend of mine and described the muscular native boys running around not wearing shirts cause they ripped them off when they became werewolves.  I described them in highly descriptive and sarcastic terms saying things such as they were sure pretty boys with lots of muscles etc. etc. etc.   If anyone had hacked into my computer (or my buddies) and took a couple of those sentences out and published them in the press, I would have looked really gay to the rest of the world.  (I'm not by the way, just happy  ;D

Most of the supposedly damaging stuff that I read could have been taken any number of ways, since they were private communications between these guys, maybe having a bad day, maybe pissed off at someone for stealing their data maybe just having fun... etc. etc. etc.

So please don't hold these so called "damaging emails" up to me as proof that they dispel all the work of thousands of bonifide scientists over decades collecting and correlating this data, cause I can see more than just one side of it.
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« Reply #252 on: January 28, 2010, 05:26:20 AM »
If you really want to read something funny, twisted, erroneous and downright scary in it's "cow logic" sense, read Senator James Inhofe's speech to the senate on  MONDAY SEPTEMBER 25, 2006.

(pay close attention to the part about "Polar Bears Look Tired....what a scream!)

http://epw.senate.gov/speechitem.cfm?party=rep&id=263759

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Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« Reply #253 on: January 28, 2010, 12:33:20 PM »
Stan
Give it up.  To many people have had access to those file.  If your story was correct, then why have those involved be placed on leave while all their actions are being reviewed?  If it was as simple a case of taken out of context or bad editing, then they could just produce the original and it would have ended...

Come on Stan it all about Money and prestige... money from research grants and prestige from doing research and getting the money.

Just look at Dr Suzuki, he is rich from Carbon, he was famous from the Nature of Things, but that has been off the air for years, yet he can travel around the country in a bus and live the good life.  Yet he will not debate the science.  Whats he got to fear?


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« Reply #254 on: January 28, 2010, 03:50:41 PM »
Ok Andrew I'll answer your points.

The scientists that got their emails hacked and edited and taken out of context broke a very important rule followed at universities around the world.  Don't screw up and let the public perception of you look bad.  That's how you lose tenure.  Just like in politics, you should be good, but most importantly the public has to think you look good , whether you are or not doesn't matter.

next...Yes, lets follow the money.  The more I look at this, the more it appears to be an orchestrated propaganda effort on a large scale.  Inhofe started his speeches in 2002/3 and hammered 6 or 7 points hard.  Every single speech he's made on the subject ever since has been a carbon copy (pun intended) on the same points ever since.  Every "news" story on the topic of climate change hoax that I can find, has contained the same points.  All of these main points of Inofe's are either totally fabricated, or contain just enough of a glimmer of truth to attempt to convince the unenlightened without telling "the rest of the story".  OK< here's the money trailInhofe has collected nearly half a million bucks every election from big oil.  More comes from other big business sources but there's your trail.  His seat in the Oklahoma senate has been bought and paid for by big oil.

Next....Suzuki....personally I can't stand the man, have met him a couple of times and he's an arrogant jerk.  But he made his money on patents for genetic research at UBC plus his fat pension which is more than I ever made as a teacher.

Did you read Inhofe's speech especially the part on the tired polar bears?  Let's examine that part in detail.  He is either unaware of the intensive polar bear research that has been going on for years or he deliberately attempts to ridicule the people who have been freezing their butts off doing the reasearch.  They dart bears, pull a tooth for analysis, collect blood samples, stool samples, measurements, hair samples, weigh the bear, tatoo a number in their ear and much more. All this data has been collected for years and allows researchers to tell if the bears are getting smaller, weaker, sicker etc....

Now Inhofe is either monumentally stupid if he believes all they do is observe the bears and report on whether they are tired or not, or he is maliciously trying to discredit their work.  Which do you think is the case?
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