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Re: Changfa YX180 to drive a 280 amp 12VDC alternator.
« Reply #30 on: December 21, 2007, 03:50:59 AM »
Hope you're feeling better Doug.  Sure it wasn't a petterectomy?

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Re: Changfa YX180 to drive a 280 amp 12VDC alternator.
« Reply #31 on: December 21, 2007, 04:00:41 AM »
Starting to feel lik eme again.....
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Re: Changfa YX180 to drive a 280 amp 12VDC alternator.
« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2007, 09:22:36 PM »
Doug,
I put some pics of my second ST15 0n your Gen rebuild thread.  This one had much nicer looking wiring and connections, but thinner castings.
Zeke
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Changfa 8 hp., 280 A battery charger

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Re: Changfa YX180 to drive a 280 amp 12VDC alternator.
« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2007, 12:32:08 AM »
Castings need only be as thick and strong as needed to do the job....

If its well made with thin castings that might mean not mean anything.


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Re: Changfa YX180 to drive a 280 amp 12VDC alternator.
« Reply #34 on: December 22, 2007, 12:47:41 AM »
Doug,
I put the pics on your thread ST head prep.  Think this one is all copper wound.  Had some slots empty--mabe the 50hz?

Zeke
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Re: Changfa YX180 to drive a 280 amp 12VDC alternator.
« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2007, 12:00:01 AM »
The mystery machine has arrived.  The word "Changfa" is nowhere to be found, but.....













What can I say?  5.5kw sounds good.  The manual is for a different engine, but close.  Looks decent on the outside.

More to come.....
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Re: Changfa YX180 to drive a 280 amp 12VDC alternator.
« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2007, 10:43:15 PM »
Just got the brake drum.  Will do some very careful drilling and it should bolt right onto the flywheel.  Pics to follow.
Zeke
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Re: Changfa YX180 to drive a 280 amp 12VDC alternator.
« Reply #37 on: December 28, 2007, 02:06:53 AM »






This is my first attempt at a serpentine belt pully.  The outside surface of the brake drum is not perfectly flat.  If the belt wants to wander I'll build a jig to hold my die grinder and true it up.  If that doesnt work, I'll try something else.  The bolts are 5/16 grade 8 and are 2" long, so there's a lot of bolt in the orig v-belt pully.
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Re: Changfa YX180 to drive a 280 amp 12VDC alternator.
« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2008, 09:46:20 PM »
I've knocked off work for the day.  Made a little progress.  Got the serpentine pully grooves cut and getting where I want to be on the alternator mount.  Seems to go slow but steady.
Zeke







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Re: Changfa YX180 to drive a 280 amp 12VDC alternator.
« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2008, 01:49:49 AM »
Zeke,
  Looking good. One thing makes me nervous though - and maybe it's just temporary for set up spacing. I notice your bolts have individual spacers. To my mind that's an opportunity for flexing and cracking and too much excitement. I think a solid billet spacer would be much more stable.   For what it's worth - I'm no engineer     Bill
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Re: Changfa YX180 to drive a 280 amp 12VDC alternator.
« Reply #40 on: January 03, 2008, 02:47:05 AM »
get a load on her!
i wanna see how many amps you can get out of it :)

any bets guys?
maybe we should start a pool?

my bet?   127.4 amps before it blows black smoke  :)

lol

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Re: Changfa YX180 to drive a 280 amp 12VDC alternator.
« Reply #41 on: January 03, 2008, 06:10:27 AM »
Zeke:

a few observations and questions

first of all though i like your use of the brakedrum,, looks pretty good, but i would agree with bill you might want to
mount it a bit better to the flywheel.

it appears the drive ratio is about 4 to 1, or there abouts,, judgeing from the pics
your engine if i recall is rated at 8 hp @2600rpm
at 4/1 the alternator will be spinning over 10,400rpm which is an overspeed condition in my opinion
so you will need to reduce the engine rpm to maybe 2000 rpm with an accompanied reduction in hp
to about 6hp on a good day.
you will still be turning at around 8k rpm at the alternator,, not a speed that is in line with longevity of the alternator
again in my opinion.

6hp should net you about 150amps max when the alternator is at room temp and around 20 amps less when hot.
also it is popular belief to run the engine to about 75% capacity so you are down to about 4.5-5 hp and 125amps cold, and maybe
100amps hot?

based on this you might have to rethink your drive ratio, in order to get the alternator speed down to maybe 5-6k rpm

to do that you will either need to replace the alternator pulley with a larger one, or scrap the brakedrum in favor of a smaller dia drive
the ability of getting an off the shelf pulley for the alternator is problematic because it is either metric or some other proprietary size

i think you have a basis for a good battery charger, but as configured it appears to me that it is not going to work to its full potential, although
i have been wrong once before (ok,,, many times before) :)

i would be very interested in your theory of operation of this setup.

respectfully

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Re: Changfa YX180 to drive a 280 amp 12VDC alternator.
« Reply #42 on: January 03, 2008, 06:25:05 AM »
Bob,

Your very close with those numbers and I would also slow the alternator down to your mentioned speeds as well. I only come up with 187 amps max from a cold alternator when driven by 8 HP engine. I think a 2.5 to 1 ratio would work best in this application. Like choosing the proper gearing for a car or tractor, gearing allows for an engine to produce the best combination of power, economy and durability.

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Re: Changfa YX180 to drive a 280 amp 12VDC alternator.
« Reply #43 on: January 03, 2008, 08:37:57 AM »
Thanks for the ideas,

I agree that I need a bigger pully on the alternator.  Cant get anything past the sharp and experienced eyes here :).  Already called the boys who made the alternator and pullys are avail up to 3.5"  The brake drum is right at 8".  Full output on the alternator is at around 7000rpm, but not sure I want to run it that fast. 
Will  see how much power the engine seems comfortable with, then detune the alternator by reducing rpm.  Would like to run the engine under its 2600 rated speed for best trade off between power and fuel economy.  I agree I prob wont get anywhere near the theoretical max output of 280A.

I also agree completely about the mounting of the drum on the orig belt pully.  The problem I ran into on mounting was when I bolted the brake drum directly to the orig casting, I couldnt get to the bolts that hold the v belt pully to the flywheel.  Spacing the drum out 1" allows that access, but is a much weaker mount.  The good news is that the hub of the brake drum is steel, not cast iron, so reduced chance of it cracking.  How about a a solid steel plate disc around 4" diameter and 1" thick for the spacer, unless I can figure some easier way to get to all the bolts. Would rather not space at all, but I've kind of painted myself into a corner here.

I  appreciate all input.  I know it'll be a better machine with more folks looking at it along the way.

Zeke
Changfa type 25hp with 15kw ST head
Lovson 20-2 in blueprinting/rebuild
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Re: Changfa YX180 to drive a 280 amp 12VDC alternator.
« Reply #44 on: January 03, 2008, 09:25:58 AM »
  Any reason why the brake drum can't be flipped over and bolted onto the flywheel eliminating the need for any spacers?