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Original Lister CS 6/1 Start-o-matic 2.5 Kw (radiator conversion)
3Kw 130 VDC Dynamo to be added. (compressor + hyd pump)
Original Lister D, megasquirt multifuel project, compressor and truck alternator.
Current status - project / standby, Fuel, good old pump diesel.

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Re: GF's Start-o-matic - WEB GALLERY - use this one
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2006, 11:53:58 AM »
Have added a bunch of new pictures, gallery name Lister 02

at
http://www.surfbaud.co.uk/Lister/gallery/index.php

All close ups of things like the solenoid linkage, injector pump, oil pump, etc etc etc
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Original Lister CS 6/1 Start-o-matic 2.5 Kw (radiator conversion)
3Kw 130 VDC Dynamo to be added. (compressor + hyd pump)
Original Lister D, megasquirt multifuel project, compressor and truck alternator.
Current status - project / standby, Fuel, good old pump diesel.

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Re: GF's Start-o-matic - WEB GALLERY - use this one
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2006, 04:34:29 PM »
Thanks for the pics! Question, what is the item that looks like a micro-switch down near where the governor spring would normally be and what is it for?
Tom
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Re: GF's Start-o-matic - WEB GALLERY - use this one
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2006, 04:52:36 PM »
speed cut out, disengages generator AC output from distribution box unless diesel rpm and therefore alternator rpm and therefore generated AC frequency is up to spec.
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Original Lister CS 6/1 Start-o-matic 2.5 Kw (radiator conversion)
3Kw 130 VDC Dynamo to be added. (compressor + hyd pump)
Original Lister D, megasquirt multifuel project, compressor and truck alternator.
Current status - project / standby, Fuel, good old pump diesel.

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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2006, 07:53:02 PM »
Wow, that is rather sophisticated for a machine of this vintage, or even a new generator for that matter.

Thanks for the info!
Tom
2004 Ashwamegh 6/1 #217 - ST5 just over 3k hours.

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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2006, 08:05:03 PM »
That's why I keep telling people (not on here cos I have only found this place a week ago) that before you can discount old tech as obsolete, the FIRST thing you gotta do is investigate iit and understand it in some depth.

my new one, the red one in the pictures, was built in 1956, that makes it bang on fifty years old.

if engine speed is correct, the governor will be in one place, so why not use that and a simple switch to make sure the genset never outputs wrong frequency AC?

yes, you can call it crude, or you can call it elegant.

what COUNTS is it is fifty years old, and still working.

nother example is the fuel tank with float + chain + bob weight fuel level indicator, fifty years old and it still works

you need a hell of a lot of bloody good reasons to change anything that has been PROVEN in fact and not theory to work for fifty years.

cheers
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Original Lister CS 6/1 Start-o-matic 2.5 Kw (radiator conversion)
3Kw 130 VDC Dynamo to be added. (compressor + hyd pump)
Original Lister D, megasquirt multifuel project, compressor and truck alternator.
Current status - project / standby, Fuel, good old pump diesel.

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Re: GF's Start-o-matic - WEB GALLERY - use this one
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2006, 12:29:14 AM »
Another question "guy" (I assume its a nom d' plume) the generator puts out 50 hz (English standard) but can that be changed to 60 hz either by increasing the speed to 1600 rpm or by some sort of fiddling with the innards?
Stan (not a nom d' plume)

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Re: GF's Start-o-matic - WEB GALLERY - use this one
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2006, 12:34:29 AM »
change gen head rpm is all it would take, eg smaller pulley

I have no idea at all if lister offered a 60 hz start-o-matic
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Original Lister CS 6/1 Start-o-matic 2.5 Kw (radiator conversion)
3Kw 130 VDC Dynamo to be added. (compressor + hyd pump)
Original Lister D, megasquirt multifuel project, compressor and truck alternator.
Current status - project / standby, Fuel, good old pump diesel.

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Re: GF's Start-o-matic - WEB GALLERY - use this one
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2006, 10:54:26 PM »
Thanks so much for the marvelous photos, Guy. I begin to understand the start o matic much better now.

I have a few questions:
Does a massive solenoid or geared motor actuator activate the decompresson pin?

Is the rack closer geared off the same actuator?  It's not clear to me if this is a different actuator.
If it's moved off a separate mechanism which I didn't see, what is it's source of power- solenoid or motor drive?

Thanks again Guy!
Bruce M
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Re: GF's Start-o-matic - WEB GALLERY - use this one
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2006, 10:58:19 PM »
solenoid, and the same mech through a linkage
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3Kw 130 VDC Dynamo to be added. (compressor + hyd pump)
Original Lister D, megasquirt multifuel project, compressor and truck alternator.
Current status - project / standby, Fuel, good old pump diesel.

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Re: GF's Start-o-matic - WEB GALLERY - use this one
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2006, 11:42:55 PM »
Thanks Guy, there is a lot of good, reliable engineering in these Start O Matics.  I wish some Co. in India would clone it so we could get them over here.

When the Start O Matic begins it's starting function,  does it start cranking with decompression pin in and rack closed, then open them after the engine is spinning or does it just pull back the rack pusher and decompression pin and then crank against compression?

Best Wishes,
Bruce




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Re: GF's Start-o-matic - WEB GALLERY - use this one
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2006, 12:47:50 AM »
I've seen both, after I've had a look at Ken's manual I should be able to tell you which way was factory >;^)

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Original Lister CS 6/1 Start-o-matic 2.5 Kw (radiator conversion)
3Kw 130 VDC Dynamo to be added. (compressor + hyd pump)
Original Lister D, megasquirt multifuel project, compressor and truck alternator.
Current status - project / standby, Fuel, good old pump diesel.

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Re: GF's Start-o-matic - WEB GALLERY - use this one
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2006, 12:56:01 AM »
I bet everyone here would love to see pictures of the inside of the crank case, the main bearings, the rod bearing.... ect.., myself included. Do it when you get time, of course. thanks ;D
Currently no listeroids, sad........ very sad.....
Just some other antique engines ranging from 40 pounds to 33,000 pounds each.

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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2006, 09:23:41 AM »
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Original Lister CS 6/1 Start-o-matic 2.5 Kw (radiator conversion)
3Kw 130 VDC Dynamo to be added. (compressor + hyd pump)
Original Lister D, megasquirt multifuel project, compressor and truck alternator.
Current status - project / standby, Fuel, good old pump diesel.

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Re: GF's Start-o-matic - WEB GALLERY - use this one
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2006, 03:58:01 PM »
Thanks Guy (and Ken) for this manual.  I'm printing it out now and can't wait to study it.
Bruce M