Listeroid prices

[kyradawg]

Here are some price quotes I have been given from various manufacturer/importers. These are with shipping to baltimore maryland.

Kind Attn. : Mr Darren Frye
 
Thanks for prompt reply. At present we are already supplying T.R. bearing type single cylinder as well as twin cylinder lister type diesel engines to a party in U.S.A. and
therefore we can give the F.O.B. rates (Any Indian Port ) ( exclusive of freight and other charges ) instantly as under.

Lister type water cooled T.R. Bearing type with balanced wheel diesel engine complete with all standard accessories with aditional gasket; set of piston rings set; inlet & exhaust valves & C.R. bearing.........
6/1 650rpm single cylinder.......................US$ 345.00
8/1 850rpm single cylinder......................US$ 365.00
10/1 1000rpm single cylinder with balance weight
.........................................................US$ 435.00
14/1 1000rpm single cylinder with balance weight
.........................................................US$ 470.00
12/2 650rpm twin cylinder with balance weight
.........................................................US$ 630.00
20/2 1000rpm twin cylinder with balance weight
..........................................................US$ 695.00
26/2 1000rpm twin cylinder with balance weight
..........................................................US$ 735.00
 
Now based on the above you shall have to inform us your specific requirements.
 
With regards
Jagdip  Shah
J.K.Group Of Industries
E/5, Bhaktinagar Industrial Estate
P. O. Box No. 577
RAJKOT - 360002
(Gujarat - India )
Tel : +91-281-2362842 / 2363381 /2363382
Fax : +91-281-2362477
Website : www.jksonengines.com

DEAR Darren Frye,

IN REFRENCE TO YOUR E-MAIL WE QUOTE C & F RATE FOR BALTIMORE FOR DIESEL ENGINE AS FOLLOWING:-

SINGLE CYLINDER 6/1:- 460 US$
DOUBLE CYLINDER 12/2:- 610 US$

WAITING YOUR REPLY.

THANKING YOU.

FOR, H.D.TRADING CORPORATION,

HIREN PAREKH

[Procrustes]

This means $805 for a 6/1 to Baltimore, right?  I'm guessing there are some other fees and headaches as well.  These sell from Portland for about $1,000.

[kyradawg]

No it means to Baltimore from hd trading a 6/1 will cost $460 and a 12/2 $610 less storage and dock fees.

From jkson delivered to Baltimore less storage and dock fees is as follows

6/1 650rpm single cylinder.......................US$ 345.00
8/1 850rpm single cylinder......................US$ 365.00
10/1 1000rpm single cylinder with balance weight
.........................................................US$ 435.00
14/1 1000rpm single cylinder with balance weight
.........................................................US$ 470.00
12/2 650rpm twin cylinder with balance weight
.........................................................US$ 630.00
20/2 1000rpm twin cylinder with balance weight
..........................................................US$ 695.00
26/2 1000rpm twin cylinder with balance weight
..........................................................US$ 735.00

The US dollar is extreamly valueable in India

These motors are a LOT cheaper than some folks would like for you to believe.
Peace&Love , Darren

[kyradawg]

A complete cylinder head for a 6/1 from jkson is $15 and a set of rings $0.50
Peace&Love , Darren

[rgroves]

I've been following the messages about buying engines from India with a mixture of amusement and concern.  Because of my affiliation with one of the largest importers of these engines, this topic is of more than passing interest to me.

January 1, 2006 brought a severe set of restrictions on importation of diesel engines.  The EPA now requires all imported engines to meet emissions standards, and it's up to an importer to prove that they do.  That's not easy, and it's expensive.  Engines that are imported now must be labelled according to 40 CFR 1039.20. Among other requirements, they must carry placards with specific info on the importer (like who he is and where he lives) and there are big penalties for non compliance there too. One excerpt from the new reg:

"Penalties: Any person who circumvents or attempts to circumvent...requirements may be fined up to $32,500 per day of violation."

Serious, aren't they?

Please understand -- the exporters in India aren't on the hook for any of this.  They will gleefully take your money and ship you something.  Will it be worth buying?  That's only the first question you need to answer.  How to deal with the runaway flywheel that is today's EPA - that's up to you. And you won't get extra credit for good intentions, or green fuels, or any of that.

Yes, this sucks.  The big players (like automakers)  will be able to certify diesels for import, amortize the cost of certification and pass it through to customers.  Listeroids (and Changfas, and any other stationary import engine you care to name) are such a fringe product that nobody I know of is willing to do likewise. 

[dlgarnett]

Hello Forum,

Been looking at Listeroids since Hurricane Wilma and ~ 2 weeks without power. Below is info obtained from Lovson. With shipping charges into Port of Miami.

www.lovson.com

Thank you for your E-mail of 12th January,2006 and the interest shown in our Company and product.
 
PLEASE SEE THE ATTACHED FILE FOR FOB INDIAN RATES
 
SR. MODEL H.P. / cyl RPM BORE & STROKE REMARKS US$ PER NO.
NO       MM   F.O.B. INDIAN PORT
       
 LISTER TYPE WATER COOLED (Tapper Roller Bearing)  DIESEL OIL ENGINES. 
       
1 SL-5 5 / 1 600 114.3 X 139.7  $432.00
2 SL-6 6 / 1 650 114.3 X 139.7  $432.00
3 SL-8 8 / 1 850 114.3 X 139.7  $435.00
4 SL-8A DI 8 / 1 850 114.3 X 139.7 CIP - DI CUT HEAD $442.00
5 SL-8B DI 8 / 1 850 114.3 X 139.7 ALP - DI CUT HEAD $450.00
6 SL-8A 8 / 1 950 120 X 139.7 MOP, ALP $465.00
7 SL-8B  8 / 1 950 120 X 139.7 MOP, CIP $460.00
8 SLC - 8 8 / 1 950 120 X 139.7 SMOP , CBW $490.00
9 SL-9.5 9.5 / 1 950 120 X 139.7 ALP $455.00
10 SL-10A 10 / 1 1000 120 X 139.7 MOP, ALP $465.00
11 SL-10B 10 / 1 1000 120 X 139.7 MOP, CIP $460.00
12 SLC-10 10 / 1 1000 120 X 139.7 SMOP , CBW $495.00
13 SLC-10 TIGER 10 / 1 1000 120 X 139.7 SMOP,CBW , ALP " TIGER " HFW $510.00
14 SLC-10 TIGER DI 10 / 1 1000 120 X 139.7 SMOP,CBW , ALP " TIGER " D.I., HFW $515.00
15 SLC-10 SUMO 10 / 1 1000 127 X 139.7 SMOP,CBW,ALP " SUMO ",HEAVY BODY $545.00
16 SLC-12 SUMO 12 / 1 1000 127 X 139.7 SMOP,CBW,ALP " SUMO ",HEAVY BODY $545.00
17 SLC-14 SUMO 14 / 1 1000 127 X 139.7 SMOP,CBW,ALP " SUMO " D.I.., HDC ,ECONOMY $595.00
18 SLD-12  12 / 2 650 114.3 X 139.7 DOUBLE CYLINDER $780.00
19 SLD-16 16 /  2 850 114.3 X 139.7 DOUBLE CYLINDER $780.00
20 SLD-20 20 / 2 1000 120 X 139.7 DOUBLE CYLINDER $810.00
21 SCL-14 14 / 1 800 145 X 155 "SUPER " SINGLE CYLINDER $900.00
22 SCL-16 16 / 1 670 155 X 204 "SUPER" SINGLE CYLINDER $1,025.00
23 SCL-20 D.I. 20 / 1 750 155 X  204 "SUPER " SINGLE CYLINDER $1,140.00
24 SCL-22 D.I. 22 / 1 800 155 X 204 "SUPER " SINGLE CYLINDER $1,160.00
       
       
* MOP = MOBILE OIL PUMP ( LUBRICATION OIL PUMP )   
* SMOP = SPECIAL MOBILE OIL PUMP   
* CIP = CAST IRON PISTON   
* CBW = CRANK BALANCE WEIGHT   
* ALP = ALUMINIUM LM-13 PISTON   
* D.I. = DIRECT INJECTION     
* TRB = TAPPER ROLLER BEARING   
* HDC = HEAVY DUTY CRANK SHAFT   
* HFW = HEAVY FLYWHEEL   
       
note : Extra attachment on above engines   
1 Water circulating pump size 1" x 1"   $33.60
2 Water circulating pully size 6" Dia  x 4"  $3.00
3 Radiator attachment    $132.00
4 A/C Alternator for 1 Tube 1 Fan   $96.00
5 Self Starter Motor & Alternator for Battery Charge  $380.00
6 With D.I. Arrangement in 5 to 6 h.P. C.I.P.  $12.00
7 With D.I. Arrangement in 10 h.p.    $20.00
8 Steel idler gear and cam gear   $10.00
9 Heavy fly wheel for SLC-10 type model engine.  $18.00
10 For Three bearing in lister type engines  $18.00
       

 


We have given you the list of engine and options available . Please inform us your exact requirements

AT PRESENT WE HAVE GIVEN YOU OFFER ON FOB INDIAN PORT SINCE WE DONT KNOW
YOUR FINAL DESTINATION . PLEASE INFORM SEA PORT IF WANT US TO WORK OUT
 SHIPPING + HANDLING

ALL PORT CHARGES AT DESTINATION  , ALL CLEARING CHARGES , ALL CUSTOMS AND
ALL LOCAL TRANSPORT CHARGES WILL BE TO YOUR ACCOUNT
 
WE HAVE NO PROBLEM IF YOU NOMIATE YOUR OWN SHIPPING LINE,WE WILL HAND OVER THE CARGO TO THEM.

The sea freight for Miami port will be as under:
 
SINGLE CYLINDER   US$150/-  PER ENGINE
DOUBLE CYLINDER  US$250/- PER ENGINE
To facilitate your import we will provide a " GSP " certificate under the Genrealised System of Preferences which allows you to import goods from INDIA at very nominal customs duty. This system is for goods from developing
countries and all goods from  such countries attract reduced customs duty.Inform this to your customs authority when asking for duty rates

REQUEST YOU TO STUDY OUR WEBSITE WWW.SLOWSPEEDENGINE.COM - LITTLE GIANT
WHICH IS OUR NEW MODEL / INVENTION THIS ENGINE HAS COUNTERWEIGHED CRANKS.

Our payments terms as under:

PAYMENT : FULL ADVANCE BY TT.

VALIDITY  : OFFER VALID UPTO 15.01.2006.

If you need further details please let us know we will reply to you.

Best Regards
Joanna Bhat

LOVSON EXPORTS LTD.,
98, Bajaj Bhavan,
Nariman Point,
Mumbai 400 021
INDIA

Tel: 91-22-22024071 / 22021918
Fax: 91-22-56360830 / 22045488

[kpgv]

Hi RG,
This subject has come up before around here, but there is disagreement what it means to "us", and if they (EPA) will even bother with "hobby" engines. So far, I haven't seen a comment from anyone (besides you) "in the buisiness" about what it means or doesn't mean to "listeroids", or the chinese stuff. None of the sellers on the net have addressed this issue. I would love to know what the EPA has in mind, if anything, for these It would also be interesting to know just how a well prepared Listeroid performs with respect to the "regulations".

Kevin

[Procrustes]

No it means to Baltimore from hd trading a 6/1 will cost $460 and a 12/2 $610 less storage and dock fees.

I didn't read your original post correctly.  That's a shocker.

[ranexs]

Why not update this line and add other brands too?

[JohnF13]

Nice of you to come back kurdawg - and with the same tired old rants as well!  Are we going to go through your expert knowledge of cams, compression ratios, valve timing, best builders etc. before you go away again or become slowspeed something or other?  Nice of you to start with the engine prices, I think you did that a couple of years ago in an attempt to wind people up.  BUT - bad news dawg - a lot of us are still here and we have pretty good memories.  Oh - but things have changed a bit - can YOU say E.P.A.?

To get things rolling and to establish your expert credientials, I'll ask some of my previous questions so everyone knows where you are coming from:

How many Listers/oids have you, personally, owned (i.e. paid good money for)
What is your operating exerience - how many hours and under what conditions?
How many of the Indian manufacturers have sent you samples of their work?
Are you still using your pirated copies of software to design better valves and tappets?
This is  new one, but I'm really interested - Have you ever touched an actual Lister/oid?

Really, it's nice to have you back, it's been sooooo quiet around here!

[joe wvo]

JohnF13,

John, your post would PERHAPS, hold more weight if you did not sell engines, too.

However, you denigrate this person's name and all of that really detracts from the image that you probably want to project.  I really don't think that I would buy an engine from you.

HOWEVER, I AM READY TO BUY AN ENGINE OF AROUND 12/2.  ALL OF THIS BICKERING and confusion about the E.P.A. is probably delaying many folks, including myself, from making a purchase.

I intend to eventually buy more than one engine and the mass confusion is doing a lot of harm to this market, in my opinion.  DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE THESE CONCERNS?


Joe

Nice of you to come back kurdawg - and with the same tired old rants as well!  Are we going to go through your expert knowledge of cams, compression ratios, valve timing, best builders etc. before you go away again or become slowspeed something or other?  Nice of you to start with the engine prices, I think you did that a couple of years ago in an attempt to wind people up.  BUT - bad news dawg - a lot of us are still here and we have pretty good memories.  Oh - but things have changed a bit - can YOU say E.P.A.?

To get things rolling and to establish your expert credientials, I'll ask some of my previous questions so everyone knows where you are coming from:

How many Listers/oids have you, personally, owned (i.e. paid good money for)
What is your operating exerience - how many hours and under what conditions?
How many of the Indian manufacturers have sent you samples of their work?
Are you still using your pirated copies of software to design better valves and tappets?
This is  new one, but I'm really interested - Have you ever touched an actual Lister/oid?

Really, it's nice to have you back, it's been sooooo quiet around here!

[Doug]

There is a lot going on right now Joe, people trying to wheel and deal others trying get product in before a crack down others trying lock up supliers.

Lots of people have bought engines from John and few complain.
John is trying to sell engines.

And very few people who sell these things are actual mechanics or engineers so you will find lots of debate as to who knows the most or sells the best. Most are hobbiest, but all are in it to make a buck first.

John is a retired police officer I am told, so it must count for something in the ethics front.

John perhaps you would tell the people your experince on these questions and technical background
How many Listers/oids have you, personally, owned (i.e. paid good money for)
What is your operating exerience - how many hours and under what conditions?
How many of the Indian manufacturers have sent you samples of their work?
Are you still using your pirated copies of software to design better valves and tappets?
This is  new one, but I'm really interested - Have you ever touched an actual Lister/oid?


Doug

[mobile_bob]

this should be great fun

give em hell John!


what newbie's may or may not know without alot of reading is our beloved kyradog did much to muddy the waters way back when
and espoused all sorts of info from the useful all the way to absurd, and lots of it!

he riled up alot of folks, and in the end disappeared.

as for the epa thing, it is a serious issue indeed.

i don't think John or anyone else is trying to slow down anyone from purchasing an engine, good luck finding one.

until someone comes up with a bonifide, certified and papered engine that is "truely" epa compliant there will be a shortage of
engine's available.
there is a finite supply of preban engine's which are legal to sell, purchase and use as delivered.

to date i know of "no" compliant engine's that have been certified by the epa, so any current manufactured engine will
be non compliant and the importer/seller will be subject to severe penalty,,, this is a real concern.

non compliant engines are subject to seizure! so if you buy one you could be subject to a knock on the door and the loss of
not only your initial investment but all your work setting it up.
i am not aware of a fine to the buyer of a non compliant engine, as of yet at least.

further, if you try and import the parts or an engine, and the epa can prove you tried to circumvent the law you will be liable
for up to $32.5 k as the importer/selller of the engine.

this is serious crap fella's, not something to take lightly

As far as i know John F is an upstanding guy with a vast knowlege of these engines, perhaps he will take time to amaze one and
all just exactly what his experience is with these engine's.
Suffice it to say i think most will be very surprised with just what he does know.

bob g

[Ironworks]

Nice of you to come back kurdawg - and with the same tired old rants as well!  Are we going to go through your expert knowledge of cams, compression ratios, valve timing, best builders etc. before you go away again or become slowspeed something or other?  Nice of you to start with the engine prices, I think you did that a couple of years ago in an attempt to wind people up.  BUT - bad news dawg - a lot of us are still here and we have pretty good memories.  Oh - but things have changed a bit - can YOU say E.P.A.?

To get things rolling and to establish your expert credientials, I'll ask some of my previous questions so everyone knows where you are coming from:

How many Listers/oids have you, personally, owned (i.e. paid good money for)
What is your operating exerience - how many hours and under what conditions?
How many of the Indian manufacturers have sent you samples of their work?
Are you still using your pirated copies of software to design better valves and tappets?
This is  new one, but I'm really interested - Have you ever touched an actual Lister/oid?

Really, it's nice to have you back, it's been sooooo quiet around here!

I dont think he's back.  That post is over a year old.

[sanchez]

this is the actual LOVSON price range:

 
Thank you for your e-mail of 7th April,2007 and the interest shown in our Company and product.
 
Please see the attached file for FOB Indian port rate.
 
SR. MODEL H.P. / cyl RPM BORE & STROKE REMARKS US$ PER NO.
NO       MM   F.O.B. INDIAN PORT
             
  LISTER TYPE WATER COOLED (Tapper Roller Bearing)  DIESEL OIL ENGINES.           
             
1 SL-5 5 / 1 600 114.3 X 139.7   750.00
2 SL-6 6 / 1 650 114.3 X 139.7   750.00
3 SL-8A DI 8 / 1 850 114.3 X 139.7 CIP - DI CUT HEAD 765.00
4 SL-8B DI 8 / 1 850 114.3 X 139.7 ALP - DI CUT HEAD 775.00
4 SL-8A 8 / 1 950 120 X 139.7 MOP, ALP 795.00
5 SL-8B  8 / 1 950 120 X 139.7 MOP, CIP 785.00
6 SLC - 8 8 / 1 950 120 X 139.7 SMOP , CBW 835.00
5 SL-9.5 9.5 / 1 950 120 X 139.7 ALP 780.00
6 SLC-10 SUMO 10 / 1 1000 127 X 139.7 SMOP,CBW,ALP " SUMO ",HEAVY BODY 920.00
7 SLC-12 SUMO 12 / 1 1000 127 X 139.7 SMOP,CBW,ALP " SUMO ",HEAVY BODY 915.00
8 SLC-14 SUMO 14 / 1 1000 127 X 139.7 SMOP,CBW,ALP " SUMO " D.I.., HDC ,ECONOMY 990.00
9 SLD-12  12 / 2 650 114.3 X 139.7 DOUBLE CYLINDER 1310.00
10 SLD-16 16 /  2 850 114.3 X 139.7 DOUBLE CYLINDER 1340.00
11 SLD-20 20 / 2 1000 120 X 139.7 DOUBLE CYLINDER 1410.00
12 SLD-24 24/2 1000 127 X 139.7 DOUBLE CYLINDER 1510.00
13 SCL-14 14 / 1 800 145 X 155 "SUPER " SINGLE CYLINDER 1600.00
14 SCL-16 16 / 1 670 155 X 204 "SUPER" SINGLE CYLINDER 1900.00
15 SCL-20 D.I. 20 / 1 750 155 X  204 "SUPER " SINGLE CYLINDER 2100.00
16 SCL-22 D.I. 22 / 1 800 155 X 204 "SUPER " SINGLE CYLINDER 2100.00
             
             
* MOP = MOBILE OIL PUMP ( LUBRICATION OIL PUMP )           
* SMOP = SPECIAL MOBILE OIL PUMP           
* CIP = CAST IRON PISTON           
* CBW = CRANK BALANCE WEIGHT           
* ALP = ALUMINIUM LM-13 PISTON           
* D.I. = DIRECT INJECTION           
* TRB = TAPPER ROLLER BEARING           
* HDC = HEAVY DUTY CRANK SHAFT           
* HFW = HEAVY FLYWHEEL           
             
note : Extra attachment on above engines             
1 Water circulating pump size 1" x 1"         50.00
2 Water circulating pully size 6" Dia  x 4"         4.00
3 Radiator attachment         175.00
4 A/C Alternator for 1 Tube 1 Fan         150.00
5 Self Starter Motor & Alternator for Battery Charge         550.00
6 With D.I. Arrangement in 5 to 6 h.P. C.I.P.         20.00
7 With D.I. Arrangement in 10 h.p.          30.00
8 Steel idler gear and cam gear         17.50
9 Heavy fly wheel for SLC-10 type model engine.         27.50
10 For Three bearing in lister type engines         27.50
       

 
We have given you the list of  genset and options available . Please inform
us your exact requirements

AT PRESENT WE HAVE GIVEN YOU an  OFFER ON FOB INDIAN PORT SINCE WE DONT KNOW
THE QUANTITY & MODEL . PLEASE INFORM US SO WE CAN  WORK OUT  SHIPPING + HANDLING

 
 PLEASE NOTE ALL PORT,CUSTOMS AND TRANSPORT CHARGES FROM  PORT TO YOUR
 WAREHOUSE / DOOR WILL BE TO YOUR ACCOUNT.

To facilitate your import we will provide a " GSP " certificate under the enrealised System of Preferences which allows you to import goods from NDIA at very nominal customs duty. This system is for goods from developing
countries and all goods from  such countries attract reduced customs duty.Inform this to your customs authority when asking for duty rates

REQUEST YOU TO STUDY OUR WEBSITE WWW.SLOWSPEEDENGINE.COM - LITTLE GIANT
 WHICH IS OUR NEW MODEL / INVENTION THIS ENGINE HAS COUNTERWEIGHED CRANKS

Our payments terms as under:

PAYMENT : FULL ADVANCE BY TT.

VALIDITY  : OFFER VALID UPTO 20.04.2007

If you need further details please let us know we will reply to you.

Best Regards
Joanna Bhat
 
LOVSON EXPORTS LTD.,
98, Bajaj Bhavan,
Nariman Point,
Mumbai 400 021
INDIA
 
Tel: 91-22-22024071 / 22021918 (Ext.123)
Fax: 91-22-66360830 / 22045488
 
E-mail  : joanna@lovson.com
             www.lovson.com
 

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