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Re: The Brand Roundup
« Reply #75 on: July 11, 2006, 09:04:33 AM »
Hallo!

Topland sells complete Lister Type, Slow Speed, Water-Cooled V-Belt Driven generator sets:

http://www.topland-india.com/products/genset/htm/genset_19.htm


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Re: The Brand Roundup
« Reply #76 on: July 11, 2006, 04:31:27 PM »

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Re: The Brand Roundup
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« Reply #78 on: July 17, 2006, 05:58:02 PM »
July ’06 iteration, includes the Windsor and the “mini-listers” of the Topland group.
I have gone to the various manufacturer’s websites and assembled the following from their information.  Some provide a lot of useful information, one provided a table of numbers with no labels as to what the numbers meant!  None of them talk about sand in the sump.  Some mention balance.  It seems that the bore and stroke imply the degree of standardization between engines, which I thought might be useful.  A few use the same piston and con rod in all their engines, others only vary the piston.  A few change both.  The dimensions of the foundation bolts, which may not be particularly useful in itself, would tend to indicate whether a different casting is used for the base.
 “Standard”:  114.3 piston, 139.7 con rod.  Con rods go from 130 to 177.8.  Other common pistons are 120, 127 and 130.  Materials are mostly iron, few aluminum.  330x330 mm foundation bolt for 1 cyl., 381x559 for 2 cyl., some variation.  5/1, 6/1 and 8/1 are often the same engine, only with an increase in rpm from 600, 650 to 850 (and likely with smaller diameter, heavier flywheels).
Other observations:  14/1 and 16/1 are most often made from odd sized or “non-standard” pistons or con rods.  Oil capacities are not given for many of the engines, but the Kirloskar capacities are about half that of other manufacturer’s for the 6/1 & 8/1.  The Hindustan Trading Co. “Mini-Listers” appear to be a considerably different design than that offered by others.  The piston sizes are “standard” but the con rod and foundation bolt patterns are different than any other engines.  Direct Injection implies a different head design than “standard”, and may have an aluminum piston. 

Ammerajkot          http://www.ameerrajkot.com
H.P./Cyl.             5/1   6/1       8/1    10/1      12/1   14/1   14/1
Bore in MM          114.3      114.3   120    127   139.7 130
Stroke in MM          139.7      139.7   139.7   139.7   152.4 147
Speed RPM          600 650       850   1000       650 1000
Compression Ratio          1:18      
Lub. Oil Capacity (Lit.)       4.5               5.0
Foundation Bolt Spacing in MM    330 x 330       
Fuel Tank Capacity (Lit.)       14.0      
The 14/1’s are two versions, one with larger piston & longer stroke but lower speed, the other with smaller piston, shorter stroke but higher speed.  The 14/1’s use unusual piston and con rod’s.  I wonder if there was a typo in their spec. sheet – why would they use a piston exactly the same size as a standard con rod?

Ampro Exports      http://www.amproexports.com/lister-diesel-engines.html
H.P./ Cyl     6/1    8/1    10/1    12/1    14/1    16/1    12/2    16/2    20/2
RPM       650    850    1000    1000    850    850    650    850    1000
Bore       114.3   114.3   120   127   152.4   152.4   114.3   114.3   120
Stroke       139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   177.8   177.8   139.7   139.7   139.7
Bolt spacing   330 x 330            14, 16=356 x 356      2 cyl. = 381 x 559
Fuel Cap.(Lit.)   8   8   10   10   12   12   12   12
Lub. Oil Cap.   5   5   5   5   7.5   7.5   7.5   7.5   13
These all use the same con rod, except the 14/1 and 16/1.  Piston size and rpm varies.  Ampro uses the unusual 152.4x177.8 piston & con rod in their 14/1 and 16/1 – these engines also have an unusual size of foundation bolt pattern.  They offer what appear to be direct injection engines (“New Variety”), similar to (or the same?) as Satyajeet GM-90 in 6, 8, 10, & 12/1 models.  Check out their toilets (water closets)!
   

Aswamegh      http://www.indiamart.com/ashwamegh/#diesel-engine
H.P./Cyl      6/1   8/1   10/1   12/1   12/2   14/1   15/1   16/2   20/2   20/2
RPM      650   850   1050   1000   650   1000   1000   850   1050   1000
Bore      114.3   114.3   114.3   114.3   114.3   130   130   114.3   114.3   120
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   146.05   139.7   139.7   145   160   139.7   139.7
Compression ratio:  18:1, except 14/1 and 15/1 which are 16.5:1.  They are Direct Injection engines.
All 2 cylinders have bush main bearings and oil pump, can be ordered with taper roller bearing.  6/1 and 8/1 are splash only, but can be ordered with oil pump.  Same piston except 14/1, 16/1 and 20/2.  Con rod the same except 12/1, 15/1 & 16/2.

Atul Group   http://www.atulgroup.com
HP   6/1   8/1   10/1   12/1
RPM   650   850   1000   1000
Bore   114   120   120   127
Stroke   139.6   139.6   139.6   139.6
All use the same con rod, but it is 0.1mm shorter than the standard.  Is it really different or not?

Crossword Agro Industries   http://www.crosswordagro.com/english/ssde.htm
HP/Cyl.      6/1   8/1   10/1   12/1   12/2   16/1   12/2   16/2
See Nissan engines below.   

Field Marshall http://www.fieldmarshal.com
Model      FMS6   FMS8   FMS10   PMV   FM11   FM111   FMIV
HP/Cyl.      6/1   8/1   10/1   6/1   8/1   9.5/1   10/1
RPM      660   850   1000   660   850   950   1000
Bore      114.3   114.3   120   114.3   114.3   120   120
Stroke      130   130   130   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7
Compression   16:1         17:1
Somewhat unique rpm rating for 6/1, shorter con rod for 6, 8, 10/1 – are these the same as the direct injected engines offered by Satyajeet?  They share the unique con rod length.   Other 6, 8/1’s seem “standard”. 

Gangadhar Industries  http://www.gangadhar.net/diesel_engines5.html
Model #   01   01B   01M   02   02B   02M   08   08A   08M
HP/Cyl   6/1   6/1   6/1   8/1   8/1   8/1   10/1   10/1   10/1
RPM   650   650   650   850   850   850   1000   1000   1000
Bore   114.3   114.3   114.3   114.3   114.3   114.3   120   120   120
Stroke   139.7   139.7   130   139.7   139.7   130   139.7   139.7   130
All indirect injection w/iron piston except 08A with direct injection and Al piston.  All the 10/1’s and the “B” models have oil pumps.  The “B” models have bushing bearings, others with TRB’s.  The 10/1 “A” and “M” models have crankshaft balance weights.    No other information on foundations or compression.  All the 6 and 8 hp have standard piston, one with shorter con rod.  10 hp have larger piston, one with shorter con rod.  Most have “ISI” but do not define the term.  The company also manufacture gen sets, welders, pumps and other equipment. 

GG Auto Gears   http://www.ggautomotive.com/lg_04.htm   
No information on website about engines.

GTC Engines   http://www.geco-trade.com/default.asp
H.P./Cyl.   6/1   8/1   10/1   12/2   16/2
RPM   650   850   1000   650   850
Bore   114.3   114.3   120   114.3   114.3
Stroke   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7
Fuel tank   11   11   11   15   15
Compression  18:1
Same piston and con rod except piston for the 10/1.

Hindustan Trading Corporation    Liberty Diesel Engines   http://www.htcorporation.com/      
HP/Cyl.      6/1   8/1   10/1   10/1LOP   10/1 CBW   12/1   14/1      
RPM      650   850   1000   1000   1000      850   900
Bore      114.3   114.3   120   120   120      127   127
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7      139.7   139.7
Compression   18:1                     Direct Injected
Bolt spacing   330x330
6/1, 8/1, 10/1 are splash lubricated, others have oil pumps.  Bushing or TRB bearings available. 14/1 is Direct Injected.  Two cylinder engines are said to be available, but the webpage is not present.

Hindustan Trading Co. “Mini-Listers”
HP/Cyl      6/1   8/1   10/1   12/1   14/1
RPM      650   850   1000   1000   1000
Bore      114.3   114.3   120   127   127
Stroke      133.3   133.3   133.3   133.3   133.3
Bolt space   305x204
Mini-Listers have different characteristics:  All have TRB’s.  6/ and 8/1 are splash lubricated, others have oil pump.  All have shorter stroke than “standard” listeroid.  10/1 may have Direct Injection, 14/1 is only available with Direct Injection.
All have a different foundation bolt pattern than the “standard” Listeroid.  They are also lighter than the “standard”.     

Hrishi Exports   http://www.hrishiexports.com/slow.html
HP/Cyl.      6/1   8/1   10/1   12/1   14/1   12/2   16/2   20/2         
RPM      650   850   1000   1000   1000   650   850   1000
Bore      114.3   114.3   120   127   127   114.3   114.3   120
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7
Found. Bolt Space    330x330            381x559   
Fuel tank      8   8   10   10   12   12   12   12
Oil Capacity   5   5   5   5   5   7.5   7.5   7.5
All use the same con rod, only piston size varies.

http://www.indiamart.com/basantindustries/
http://www.indiamart.com/indiacasting/#diesel-engines
http://www.indiamart.com/doneria/
http://www.rishabhengineering.com/diesel-engines.html#lister-diesel-engines
These providers (manufacturers’?) provide almost no information about their engines except hp (sometimes).

JK Group of Industries  JKSON engines      http://www.jksonengines.com/ltde.htm   
HP/Cyl.      6/1   8/1   10/1   12/2   16/2   20/2
RPM      650   850   1000   650   850   1000
Bore      114.3   114.3   120   114.3   114.3   120
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7
Compression   18:1
Bush and TRB bearings available.  Oil pumps available.  Also rebranded as Power Solution (PS) by George of Utterpower and Joel.  PETTER / KIRLOSKAR engines also available.  Same con rod, two piston sizes.

Kirloskar      http://kirloskarapps.kirloskar.com/kirloskar/web/13$5010.html
Model      KS6   KS8   KS12   KS16
HP/Cyl.      6/1   8/1   12/2   16/2
RPM      650   850   650   850
Bore      114.3   114.3   114.3   114.3
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7
Fuel tank      11 lit.   11 lit.   15 lit   15 lit.
Compression   18:1
All engines are Direct Injection.  Petter-type engines are also available.  Guaranteed for 12 months against defects.
Oil cap. of 6/1 & 8/1 is 2.6 lit., smaller than “standard”.  Oil cap. of others 5.7 lit.  Same piston and con rod in all.
   

Kissan Iron     http://www.kissangroup.com/kissan_iron_works/product/lister_type.htm
Model   KIW-   10   1   2   7A   8   4   7   7FE   7DI    7DIH   
HP/cyl.      5/1   6/1   8/1   8/1   8/1   10/1   10/1   10/1   10/1   10/1
RPM      600   650   850   950   900   1000   1000   1000   1000   1000   
Bore      114.3   114.3   114.3   120   120   120   120   120   120   120
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   132   139.7   139.7
Found bolt space   330X330                     305X200   330X330   330X330
Fuel tank cap.   9   

Model   KIW-   12   12FE   14D.I.   
HP/cyl.      12/1   12/1   14/1
RPM      1000   1000   1000
Bore      127   127   127
Stroke      139.7   132   139.7
Found bolt space   330x330   305x200   330x330   
Fuel tank cap.   12   12   12
It appears that the DI models are direct injection and likely have aluminum pistons.  Heavy flywheels are available for some models, as are water pumps.  Smaller engines are splash lubricated, larger likely have pumps but it is unclear.   All use the same con rod, except one 12/1.    Two versions of 8/1, one with smaller piston & higher speed, one with larger piston and lower speed.  5 versions of 10/1, some with direct injection, one with smaller con rod.   All the same size base casting size except KE models of 10/1 and 12/1.

Lovson   http://www.lovson.com/lister-type-slow-speed-diesel-engines.html
Model      SL-6   SL-8   SL-10    SLC10   SLC10   SLC12
            /SLC   Tiger   Sumo   Sumo
HP/cyl.      6/1   8/1   10/1   10/1   10/1   12/1
RPM      650   850   1000   1000   900   1000
Bore      114.3   114.3   120   120   127   127
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7
Compression   16:1   16:1   17:1   17:1   17:1   17:1
Oil cap.      5 lit.
Found. Bolt space   330x330
Generally TRB main bearings, but bushing with oil pump is available.  All use same con rod.

Metro/Metrex   http://www.metroexporters.com/pages/index.html
Model      ME-6   ME-8   ME-10   ME-12   ME-16   ME-20
HP/cyl.      6/1   8/1   10/1   12/2   16/2   20/2
RPM      650   850   1000   650   850   1050
Bore      114.3   114.3   114.3   114.3   114.3   114.3
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7
Compression   18:1
All use the same piston and con rod, only rpm varies.

Mascot Enterprises   http://products.jimtrade.com/product_details.asp?ProductId=26396&SupplierId=92729
No information other than a generic “Lister” picture.

Nissan   Crossword Agro Industries   http://www.crosswordagro.com
Model      6/1   8/1   10/1   12/1   16/1   12/2   16/2
The 12/1 is called a “Mini-Lister”, looks different from the “standard” lister types.  No spec. available.

Power Anand   http://www.poweranand.com/diesel_engine.htm
Model      6/1   8/1   10/1LOP   10/1CBW   12/1   12/2   16/2   20/2   24/2
RPM      650   850   1000   1000   1000   650   850   1000   1000
Bore      114.3   114.3   120   120   130   114.3   114.3   120   130
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7
Compression   18:1
Fuel tank      8               13
Oil cap.      5               10
Found. Bolt space    330x330               560x382
The two 10/1’s have identical spec. but different model #’s.  All use the same con rod, two piston sizes.

Prakash/Fuking   http://www.prakash-india.com
Model      PL1   PL2   PL4   PL5
HP/Cyl.      6/1   8/1   10/1   12/1
RPM      650   850   1000   1000
Bore      120   120   120   120
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7
Direct or Indirect Injection.   Same pistons and con rods.


Satyajeet   http://www.satyajeet.com/de2.htm      GM-90 direct injection engines w/aluminum pistons
Model      GM90/6   GM90/8   GM90/10   GM90/10   GM90/12   GM90/10   GM90/14
               Super      Sendo
RPM      750   900   1000   950   1050   800   1000
Bore      114.3   114.3   120   127   127   130   130
Stroke      130   130   130   130   130   146.5   146.5
Compression   17.5:1
Oil cap.      4.25
Found. Bolt space.   260x260      
Lub. Splash plus oil pumps.  Balance weights on crankshaft.  Most use a similar (but shorter) con rod than “standard” The two different con rods are unique too.  These engines have relatively the smallest foundation bolt spacing, except for “mini-Lister” of Hindustan Trading Corporation.

Sterling Agra   http://www.sterlingagra.com
The spec. and descriptions appear identical to Kissan Iron, found above.

Topland Group of Companies   http://www.topland-india.com/products/engine/htm/engine_1.htm
Model      10A1   10A   10B   12A   12B   12ADI   14A
HP/cyl      5/1   6/1   6/1   8/1   8/1   8/1   9.5/1
Bore      114.3   114.3   114.3   114.3   114.3   114.3   114.3
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7
RPM      600   650   650   850   850   850   1000

Model      19A   15A   15A1   15B   16A   16A1   16ASD   16ADI   16ASDI
HP/cyl      10/1   10/1   8/1   10/1   10/1   8/1   10/1   10/1   10/1
Bore      120   120   120   120   120   120   120   120   120
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7
RPM      1000   1000   900   1000   1000   900   1000   1000   1000

Model      11A   11A1   17A   28A   28A1   29ADI   29ADI1   30ADI   30ADI1   
HP/Cyl      12/1   10/1   12/1   10/1   14/1   10/1   15/1   16/1   10/1
Bore      127   127   127   127   127   127   127   130   130
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   160   160   160   160   160
RPM      1000   900   1000   900   900   1000   900   1000   900

Model      18ADI   18ADI2   20A   21A   22A   23A, 24A, 25A, 25ADI, 26A, 26AI, 27ADI, 27ADI1
HP/Cyl      18/1   20/1   12/2   16/2   20/2   “Mini-listers”, all 1 cyl, 130mm stroke, 114.3, 120.
Bore      155   155   114.3   114.3   114.3   127mm bores, 6,8,10,12,14 hp, 650-1000 rpm.
Stroke      177.8   177.8   139.7   139.7   139.7   1st three indirect injection, all others direct.
RPM      750   825   650   850   1000
36(!) different models, obviously from a wide range of  manufacturers.  Fourteen different 10/1’s!  First group has “standard” bore and stroke.  Second group has “semi-standard” bore of 120 mm and standard con rod.  They have a bewildering array of options, including SDM or Super Deluxe Model.  Curiously, the 18/1 and 20/1 do not have an oil pump, though many of the others do.  The two cylinders are all standard bore and stroke.  They also have high speed (1500 rpm) water cooled diesels from 3 to 45 hp and high speed air cooled from 3 to 20 hp.  Some engines are designed for marine use.  Also have gen sets, alternators, & pumps.  They say they are India’s largest manufacturer of engines and pumps.   


Vibha   http://www.vibha.com/diesel.html
Model      6/1   8/1   10/1   12/2   16/2   20/2
RPM      650   850   1000   650   850   1000
Bore      114.3   114.3   120   114.3   114.3   120
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7
All use the same con rod, but two piston sizes.


Vidhata   http://www.vidhataindia.com
Model   VL5   VL6   VL7   VL8   VL9
HP/cyl.   6/1   8/1   10/1   10/1   12/1
RPM   650   850   950   1000   850
Bore   114.3   120   120   120   127
Stroke   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7
Same con rod, only piston varies.

Windsor Exports   http://www.agroengine.com/diesel1.htm#water

HP/Cyl   6/1   8/1   10/1   10/1   12/1   12/1   14/1   16/1   20/1
RPM   560   850   1000   1050   1000   650   900   850   1050
Bore    114.3   114.3   120   114.3   127   114.3   139.7   114.3   114.3
Stroke   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   152.4   139.7   139.7

The 6 and 8 HP are splash lubed, the rest have pumps.  All have 139.7 con rods, except the 14 HP.  The 14 HP has the unusual piston size of 139.7, the same as the  con rod in all the others.  One other manufacturer has this same combination.  RPM and piston size varies considerably, but many have the “standard” 114.3 mm piston.  They also have Petteroids.
PS Listeroid 6/1, 5 kW ST, Detroit Diesel 3-71, Belsaw sawmill, 12 kW ST head, '71 GMC 3/4 T, '79 GMC 1T, '59 IH T-340

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Re: The Brand Roundup
« Reply #79 on: July 17, 2006, 06:28:46 PM »
The original Lister CS 6/1 was 4.5 inch bore and 5.5 inch stroke

25.4 mm per inch, this is one of the few metric / imperial conversions that is actually an exact number

4.5" x 25.4 = 114.3 mm

5.5" x 25.4 = 139.7 mm

it's hard to see how anyone can get any rounding errors, unless they did it in excel, which internally is reasonably accurate, but displays rounded numbers

http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/reference/metrics/factors.htm
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Original Lister CS 6/1 Start-o-matic 2.5 Kw (radiator conversion)
3Kw 130 VDC Dynamo to be added. (compressor + hyd pump)
Original Lister D, megasquirt multifuel project, compressor and truck alternator.
Current status - project / standby, Fuel, good old pump diesel.

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« Reply #80 on: July 30, 2006, 05:42:24 AM »
Anyone ever notice if you open the prakas webpage to Petters in one window and the kissan page in aonther and flip back and forth realy fast they are almost exactly the same......
all the technicla specs in the same place and exactly a like.
Works for most of their engines....

Thats realy odd what gives????
 
Doug

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« Reply #81 on: July 30, 2006, 05:56:06 AM »
Check out the Topland site, I think they have engines from half a dozen different "manufacturers".  I'd love to know how they actually interact.  Does Topland actually manufacture anything, or do they just market stuff?  Who knows.
Ray
PS Listeroid 6/1, 5 kW ST, Detroit Diesel 3-71, Belsaw sawmill, 12 kW ST head, '71 GMC 3/4 T, '79 GMC 1T, '59 IH T-340

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« Reply #82 on: July 30, 2006, 05:59:15 AM »
I think they are an export company first, like Ampro....

Check out their History, its under construction lol!!!!!

Doug

Oh, and I think this is a vission statment
 

'CORE VALUES'
Page Under Construction
 



'TOPLAND'
contributes to the national might by earning the much needed foreign exchange by virtue of exports to more than two dozen countries in the Africa, Asia, Central America & the Middle East.
 
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« Reply #83 on: August 01, 2006, 03:51:07 AM »
Topland uses the "Hang Loose" logo. I suspected that those Indians were surfers all along. Problem is they got nothin' but beach.  ;D

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« Reply #84 on: October 02, 2006, 02:48:31 PM »
Hi after a email from anand i leared that anand is not manufacturing for lovson any more. :o

Does anybody know the manufactor from LOVSON. ??? ???
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« Reply #85 on: October 03, 2006, 04:32:49 PM »
Hey all... New to the forums here.

In reading this vast accumulation of information on the brands of listeroids available, and visiting the external links, I notice that One Engine stands out above all the others in terms of Specific Fuel Consumption. It is the Ashwamegh 14/1 which weighs in using 230g/kw/hr. Coming in a close second is their 15/1 which is rated at 240g/kw/hr. No where else do I see these numbers among the vast sea of listeroids. These numbers are from 2 engines with slightly different bores,  and both are DI engines. It seems that they hit a sweet spot with the combustion chamber size/cylinder crossection ratio ...or something. Any engineers here can help us figure out what's going on? And the numbers seem to have been the result of a real test, rather than copied out of some book somewhere, since there are no other numbers like these.

Sure am wondering...

Jim  ???

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« Reply #86 on: October 08, 2006, 12:59:48 AM »
  I would like to see independent lab results on  radomly chosen engines out of the warehouse. 

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« Reply #87 on: January 11, 2007, 12:45:24 AM »
It seems like it would be useful to included the observations by OM in Nov., '06 about Listeroids.  Unfortunately he hasn't posted any more information lately.  Ray
 
OM:  "I just happened to go through this site today and have spent the last 3 hours reading the comments of various individuals regarding listeroids from India.
I am from India , no , I am not trying to sell any engines or spares , but know the full manufacturing process of these engines as my father ( who expired last year ) used to sell them to various countries in Africa.
I started my career in Nigeria selling these engines and got out of this business as I did not like what I was selling.
Let me tell you how these engines are made:
They are all made in a city called rajkot.
There is no other centre in India which makes these engines , if anyone tells you otherwise they are lying.
No engine manufacturer is a manufacturer of more than two or three parts out of the total parts required to make an engine.
It is a cottage industry , where each part ( leaving out a few critical parts ) is made by small manufacturers who supply them to the so called engine manufacturer.
The manufacturer will then hire people on daily wages basis to assemble the engines.
After the engine is assembled it is put on the test line to see that it is working properly.
Immediately after the test is over it is packed in wooden cases , this is the reason why you will always get oil in the crankcase which makes you feel that you are buying a used engine.
As far as casting pieces are concerned this problem will never go ( believe me I have tried ) as the manufacturer never bothers to machine them out and the exporter of these engines sitting in Bombay ( now Mumbai ) never sees what is being packed and exported.
You can get these engines made in any name as all you have to do is put the name on the crankcase cover ( which does not cost much ) and get plates printed in your name                    ( minimum qty. of plates can be as low as 100pcs and again the cost is not much ).
Parts catalogues and instruction manuals can also be printed in your name , as there is only one printer who supplies everybody , all you have to do is to change the cover page and put your brand name.
The reason why I am letting everybody know all this is as follows :
Quality : you only get what you pay for ( pay peanuts and get monkeys )
Problems : have been , will be and will never go away as the people of this town do not understand what quality means , the few who do are not interested in exporting as their engines sell at better prices in India.
I hope I have put some light on this matter and it is of help to everybody and may help reduce their frustration regarding these engines from India.
I would also like to add that quality products are being exported from India and please do not judge the country by one product.
Once again believe me this not a sales pitch , but is being done without any malice towards anyone."

In India the listeroids are used primarily for drawing water.
The petteroids are used for drawing water , generators and in rural areas as an engine in a locally fabricated vehicle.
The parts made by good manufacturers are :
Fuel injection system by mico or motorpal
Pistons and piston rings by goetze , usha , india pistons or perfect circle ( but most manufacturers use locally made ones )
Crankshafts should be in en9 grade steel but most manufacturers use mild steel
Please let me know if you need names of manufacturers for any other parts.
I hope this is of help.
Regards
OM
PS Listeroid 6/1, 5 kW ST, Detroit Diesel 3-71, Belsaw sawmill, 12 kW ST head, '71 GMC 3/4 T, '79 GMC 1T, '59 IH T-340

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« Reply #88 on: January 11, 2007, 07:34:26 AM »
OM / rpg52,

I read your post with great interest and fowarded a copy to some other members of similar interest. I would greatly appreicate you posting more information on qualitity part sources. I truely enjoy working on my Listeriod and like to improve overall performance. Thank you again for your extremely interesting post.

Bruce
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« Reply #89 on: January 14, 2007, 04:08:57 AM »
It seems like it would be useful to included the observations by OM in Nov., '06 about Listeroids.  Unfortunately he hasn't posted any more information lately.  Ray
 
OM:  "I just happened to go through this site today and have spent the last 3 hours reading the comments of various individuals regarding listeroids from India.
I am from India , no , I am not trying to sell any engines or spares , but know the full manufacturing process of these engines as my father ( who expired last year ) used to sell them to various countries in Africa.
I started my career in Nigeria selling these engines and got out of this business as I did not like what I was selling.
Let me tell you how these engines are made:
They are all made in a city called rajkot.
There is no other centre in India which makes these engines , if anyone tells you otherwise they are lying.
No engine manufacturer is a manufacturer of more than two or three parts out of the total parts required to make an engine.
It is a cottage industry , where each part ( leaving out a few critical parts ) is made by small manufacturers who supply them to the so called engine manufacturer.
The manufacturer will then hire people on daily wages basis to assemble the engines.
After the engine is assembled it is put on the test line to see that it is working properly.
Immediately after the test is over it is packed in wooden cases , this is the reason why you will always get oil in the crankcase which makes you feel that you are buying a used engine.
As far as casting pieces are concerned this problem will never go ( believe me I have tried ) as the manufacturer never bothers to machine them out and the exporter of these engines sitting in Bombay ( now Mumbai ) never sees what is being packed and exported.
You can get these engines made in any name as all you have to do is put the name on the crankcase cover ( which does not cost much ) and get plates printed in your name                    ( minimum qty. of plates can be as low as 100pcs and again the cost is not much ).
Parts catalogues and instruction manuals can also be printed in your name , as there is only one printer who supplies everybody , all you have to do is to change the cover page and put your brand name.
The reason why I am letting everybody know all this is as follows :
Quality : you only get what you pay for ( pay peanuts and get monkeys )
Problems : have been , will be and will never go away as the people of this town do not understand what quality means , the few who do are not interested in exporting as their engines sell at better prices in India.
I hope I have put some light on this matter and it is of help to everybody and may help reduce their frustration regarding these engines from India.
I would also like to add that quality products are being exported from India and please do not judge the country by one product.
Once again believe me this not a sales pitch , but is being done without any malice towards anyone."

In India the listeroids are used primarily for drawing water.
The petteroids are used for drawing water , generators and in rural areas as an engine in a locally fabricated vehicle.
The parts made by good manufacturers are :
Fuel injection system by mico or motorpal
Pistons and piston rings by goetze , usha , india pistons or perfect circle ( but most manufacturers use locally made ones )
Crankshafts should be in en9 grade steel but most manufacturers use mild steel
Please let me know if you need names of manufacturers for any other parts.
I hope this is of help.
Regards
OM
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                          Hi, can you supply names of manufacturers of quality lister - petter engines and as you say there are quality engines    built in india and they are not exporting them, would they export them for the right price ? could you supply there names. thanks craig c