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« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2006, 04:58:41 AM »
Very interesting rounding up. I also recently purchased a GTC as did a few friends. I was pleased with the quality. and plan on buying at least one more engine. I am not exactly certain who may have played a part in the manufacture / parts, but I liked the price and quality. I think GTC is trying to break into the market, and it appears the market is expanding as more and more people discover these engines. I think you'll see similar observations from Cujet (Chris) & f1-rocketboy (Bob).

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« Reply #31 on: February 04, 2006, 12:30:20 AM »
If you are the proud owner of a "FuKing" listeroid, you might want this in your "tool kit":

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6601638416&ssPageName=MERC_VI_ReBay_Pr4_PcY_BID_Stores_IT

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« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2006, 01:49:16 PM »
Kevin,
You owe me a new keyboard..I spewed my morning coffee on this one... :)

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« Reply #33 on: February 04, 2006, 02:43:46 PM »
Kevin---

I agree.  THAT was destructive, instructive, on topic, and funny as all get out.   ;D
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« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2006, 09:23:00 PM »
Damn my father has a couple of those in his tool kit - Immigrated to Canada in 1962
There is plenty of room for all of Gods creatures... right next to the mashed potatoes...

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« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2006, 12:40:32 AM »
Ummm.... I think you are allowed only one to a tool box.....



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« Reply #36 on: February 11, 2006, 07:43:18 AM »

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« Reply #37 on: February 11, 2006, 01:34:40 PM »
mikeptag,
Welcome aboard. Alot of information available here. What are you using your engine for? Did you deal direct with India or is there an importer in the the  US.


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« Reply #38 on: February 11, 2006, 04:58:00 PM »
Changes: add Vidhata as per mikeptag.

Ammerajkothttp://www.ameerrajkot.com
Ampro Exportshttp://www.amproexports.com/lister-diesel-engines.html
Ashwameghhttp://www.indiamart.com/ashwamegh/#diesel-engine
Atulhttp://www.atulgroup.com
Field Marshalhttp://www.fieldmarshal.com
GG Auto Gearshttp://www.ggautomotive.com/lg_04.htm
GTC Engineshttp://www.geco-trade.com/default.asprocketboy - Made by Power Anand...much lower prices
Hrishi Exportshttp://www.hrishiexports.com/slow.html6/1 to 20/2
JKSONhttp://www.indiamart.com/jkgroup/rpg52 - contract supplier of PS/PowerSolutions engines for Utterpower et al.  UPDATE: according to eBay site this arrangement is over.  Direct import pricing to Baltimore (from kyradawg): $345 for a 6/1 - 735 for a 26/2. http://listerengine.com/smf/index.php?topic=166.msg1736#msg1736.
Kissan Iron Workshttp://www.kissangroup.com/kissan_iron_works/product/lister_type.htmAlloy and iron pistons, 5 to 14hp one bangers.
Lovsonhttp://www.lovson.com/lister-type-slow-speed-diesel-engines.htmlStandard Listeroids (SL) as well as the GM-90 (Little Giant, LG) series
Metro/Metrexhttp://www.metroexporters.com/pages/index.html
Power Anandhttp://www.poweranand.com/diesel_engine.htmRocketboy - Excellent service (Meaning Power Anand directly).  http://oldstylelisters.com is a non-exclusive US distributor
Prakash/Fukinghttp://www.prakash-india.com
Satyajeethttp://www.satyajeet.com/de2.htm
Sterling Agrahttp://www.sterlingagra.com
Vibhahttp://www.vibha.com/diesel.html
Vidhatahttp://www.vidhataindia.com

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« Reply #39 on: February 11, 2006, 09:37:01 PM »
What would all think if we could get an OFF SITE page for the Indian venders for parts and such capitalism at it’s best let them compete on parts would help all us buyers. :D

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« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2006, 12:03:35 PM »
Procrustes,

You have done good work over the last few weeks unravelling this lot.  Well done.

But of the 16 or 18 Indian companies who claim that they are making engines - how many really are. Some of them are just exporters who will swear blind that they manufacture.

I would hazard a guess that you could boil your list down to output from perhaps only 5 foundries.

I guess however, the customer in the West will never be fully understand the true relationships between these suppliers.


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« Reply #41 on: February 14, 2006, 05:47:01 PM »
... of the 16 or 18 Indian companies who claim that they are making engines - how many really are. Some of them are just exporters who will swear blind that they manufacture.

I would hazard a guess that you could boil your list down to output from perhaps only 5 foundries.

I guess however, the customer in the West will never be fully understand the true relationships between these suppliers.

I've made just a little bit of headway in this direction.  For instance one site has two lines, one of which I'm sure is a rebrand of the Satyajeet GM-90.  There are a number of small clues, eg Ashwamegh has exactly one direct injection engine, the 14/1, so I can look for that in spec sheets.  However I believe you're right in that the relations between sellers are extensive and fluid.

Classifying the engines by injection type, lubrication, bearings, etc might be useful, but that is not clear cut either.  Anand sells two lines for instance.

A third approach is to poll owners for frequency of repair.  Our small sample is a problem.  Worse though is spotty quality among brands.  Utterpower.com has a page gushing about Ashwamegh, and there are many happy Ashwamegh owners, but then Shipchief got the dreaded sandy hopper and several other folks had broken gear teeth.

Anyone should feel free to extend or copy the Roundup as they see fit.  It was essentially my own research, and I published it here to earn my keep.  I bought an Ashwamegh 6/1 from what has been an otherwise excellent lot of eight, so I probably won't have much time for this list anymore.

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« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2006, 10:12:13 PM »
While I don't presume to speak for George at Utterpower, I don't think he now has the same opinion of Aswamegh as he had when he wrote that piece.  That was written before he discovered the problems with their gear train.  The rest of the engine is strong, but they really did cheap out on the gears, resulting in a probable failure rate in excess of 25%.  That appears to have been solved with the retrofitting of the bronze idler but quite frankly it should not have happened in the first place. 
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« Reply #43 on: February 15, 2006, 02:00:29 AM »
Thinking, just thinking, about the bronze idler gear, took a quick look on Utterpower's web sie  but didnt see it listed among the current list of 4 sale items. Is it something offered through the Allmand drive link? Can anyonr advise or attach a link .
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« Reply #44 on: February 15, 2006, 02:57:47 AM »
mikeptag,
Welcome aboard. Alot of information available here. What are you using your engine for? Did you deal direct with India or is there an importer in the the  US.

Thank You. Glad to stray into here. I will be posting photos as I work on the engine. As it is now photos are in Coppermine, link in my profile.
I will be hooking it to an ST Head. Perhaps I will directdrive it to a WOODMASTER, 4-in-1 Planer/Molder/Sander/RipSaw...I got the engine and Generator from George B. It seems to be well made as I look it over, but I am putting all new fuel lines, fuel filter, tank. I have a radiator and fan  for cooling for now, later I'll figure a way to utilize the heat.

Mike