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"Kit engines".......where?
« on: November 27, 2006, 05:44:48 PM »

I've seen mention of 'kit' engines available......?
Can anybody direct me to the vendor?
I'm looking for a 2 cylinder listeroid.

thanks
dan k

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Re: "Kit engines".......where?
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2006, 08:17:25 PM »
Ashwamegh 6/1, PowerSolutions 6/1 "Kit" engine, and a Changfa R175a that looks like a Yanmar I once knew

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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2006, 09:51:41 PM »

Thanks Quinn.....
Very interesting, I like the concept......assemble it once....with inspected/corrected parts.

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Re: "Kit engines".......where?
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2006, 07:29:44 AM »
Try http://utterpower.com/kit_engines.htm

Someone should tell George that that page has a bunch of black squares where many of your pictures should be.  The problem is that his page is using xmlns (OK) and vml (not OK).  vml is Vector Markup Language and is pretty much -- AFAICT -- a M$/IE-only thing.  Even that's OK, because George's page is testing for vml support:


Code: [Select]
<!--[if gte vml 1]>
  <v:shape id="_x0000_s1049"
           type="#_x0000_t75"
           style='width:6in;height:489.75pt'
           fillcolor="window">
  <v:imagedata src="kit_engine2_files/image038.jpg" o:title="Protrusion"/>
  </v:shape>
<![endif]-->

<![if !vml]>
    <img border=0 width=576 height=653
         src="kit_engine2_files/image039.jpg"
         v:shapes="_x0000_s1049">
<![endif]>

[indention is mine, for readability]

The real, final problem is that if vml support is there, his page serves one picture (in the example above, "image038.jpg"), but if vml support is not present (say, Firefox or SeaMonkey browsers), George's page serves an entirely different image, one that renders as a plain, black square (in the example above, "image039.jpg).

Upshot is that I can't see Quinn's pics in the last half of the page, unless I go to extraordinary lengths -- there is not a Windoze box available here.
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Re: "Kit engines".......where?
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2006, 05:50:28 PM »

Someone should tell George that that page has a bunch of black squares where many of your pictures should be.  The problem is that his page is using xmlns (OK) and vml (not OK).  vml is Vector Markup Language and is pretty much -- AFAICT -- a M$/IE-only thing.  Even that's OK, because George's page is testing for vml support:


Code: [Select]
<!--[if gte vml 1]>
  <v:shape id="_x0000_s1049"
           type="#_x0000_t75"
           style='width:6in;height:489.75pt'
           fillcolor="window">
  <v:imagedata src="kit_engine2_files/image038.jpg" o:title="Protrusion"/>
  </v:shape>
<![endif]-->

<![if !vml]>
    <img border=0 width=576 height=653
         src="kit_engine2_files/image039.jpg"
         v:shapes="_x0000_s1049">
<![endif]>

[indention is mine, for readability]

The real, final problem is that if vml support is there, his page serves one picture (in the example above, "image038.jpg"), but if vml support is not present (say, Firefox or SeaMonkey browsers), George's page serves an entirely different image, one that renders as a plain, black square (in the example above, "image039.jpg).

Upshot is that I can't see Quinn's pics in the last half of the page, unless I go to extraordinary lengths -- there is not a Windoze box available here.

If you have bash and wget you can download all the images this way:

    for n in `seq -w 1 56`; do wget "http://utterpower.com/beta_tester_files/image0$n.jpg"; done

I'll bet this is part of the problem:

  <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 6.0">

On the other hand the black images are numbered sequentially among the other images, so maybe FrontPage isn't to blame for creating them.  It's possible though if FP has a bulk image import/convert feature.

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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2006, 08:36:20 PM »
I think a while back George tried to make it so you could not easily save pictures off his site, I think that is when things stopped working right.
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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2006, 11:43:33 PM »
It's a security thing to keep people from stealing the pics. Just view it with IE.

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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2006, 12:14:47 AM »
Yes, Macs and Firefox don't see all the pics right.  I think it's the software that he's using.  I e-mailed him the pics a couple of times, but it turned out the same way.

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Re: "Kit engines".......where?
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2006, 06:30:06 AM »
Are pictures harder to steal with IE than with other browsers?

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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2006, 03:17:56 PM »
 I use Avant Browser (and love it) but I keep a copy of IE around to see everything on a page...including the flashing worms and pop-up idiocy that ruins them.

Bye the way.  GREAT article and pictures of the kit engine, Quinn.

 My kit went to work for the first time yesterday afternoon and reported for duty promptly at six this morning.
  So-far it's boringly perfect.   ;)
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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2006, 04:25:35 PM »
It's a security thing to keep people from stealing the pics. Just view it with IE.

Bad suggestion.  There is no IE here, and IE is and historically has been the No. 1 transmission vector of Bad Things for PCs.  Implementing proprietary methods that work with a single user agent is a Bad Idea.

More of a "Go away, there's nothing here that I want you to see" thing.  Or an anti-security thing.

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Are pictures harder to steal with IE than with other browsers?

Using the M$ vml thing somehow interacts with IE to prevent the right-mouse-click "Save Image" from being displayed.  IOW, you have to either do a screen capture to save the pic (not the best way) or do as I did and read the page's source code and then construct your own URL to the correct picture instead of the bogus all-black one.

I don't mind George not wanting his images used elsewhere -- it's his site, he can do whatever he wants -- but in doing so he's chosen a non-W3C method which makes it non-standards-compliant so those of us who don't use IE can't read see his/Quinn's pictures.  Which is just cutting your nose off to spite your face: if people can't read your site, why have a site?

IIRC, there's a java anti-theft solution for images that works with "all" browsers, but I'm sure that FrontPage won't hold your hand to implement it  ::)

Here are links to Quinn's (non-displaying-in-non-IE-user-agents) pictures from George's site.  But the pictures are a lot less useful without Quinn's accompanying text.  Someone should put the text and images on a web page so everyone can see them, this looks like an interesting article.  Oh, wait, that's what George thought he was doing . . .

http://utterpower.com/kit_engine2_files/image024.jpg
http://utterpower.com/kit_engine2_files/image026.jpg
http://utterpower.com/kit_engine2_files/image028.jpg
http://utterpower.com/kit_engine2_files/image030.jpg
http://utterpower.com/kit_engine2_files/image032.jpg
http://utterpower.com/kit_engine2_files/image034.jpg
http://utterpower.com/kit_engine2_files/image035.jpg
http://utterpower.com/kit_engine2_files/image037.jpg
http://utterpower.com/kit_engine2_files/image038.jpg
« Last Edit: December 03, 2006, 04:31:14 PM by asavage »
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Re: "Kit engines".......where?
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2006, 11:00:34 PM »
Wile E. Asavage.....genius!

Why don't you just post a link right to the folder? Oh, wait, thats what you did. Why didn't you just put the pictures in a web album somewhere and post a link to that? Oh, wait, that would be a violation of copyright law.  Maybe you should just suggest someone else violate the law? Oh, wait, thats what you did.
Someone should put the text and images on a web page so everyone can see them, this looks like an interesting article.  Oh, wait, that's what George thought he was doing .

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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2006, 11:24:56 PM »
I think the pictures speak for themselves.

The PS kit isn't all that was hoped for. The biggest let down to me is the quality of the castings. Obviously rough, but better than the Prakash units. They are not however the equal of my Powerline Petter not even close.....

I think these are just plane old India export parts in the kits. Sadly my Petter suffers from Plane old India oops in machining and poor QC.

What we need to do is simply stop buying this stuff and stick with the good units coming in from a very select number of venders

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Re: "Kit engines".......where?
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2006, 12:31:17 AM »
Ah, so nice to see all the 'missing' pictures.

Which manufactures sell kit engines?
The thought of buying a listeroid which hasn't been run (casting sand) and is unpainted is quite attractive.

Does Powerline (Power Anand) produce kits because from what I understand, they seem to be the fore runner in terms of quality (Am I mistaken here?).

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Re: "Kit engines".......where?
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2006, 02:37:01 AM »
asavage,
I believe George has his phone number posted on his site…why not give him a call…I’m sure you two would have so much to talk about… :)

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