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General Discussion / Re: The future of electric Vehicles.
« Last post by glort on May 24, 2018, 11:17:39 PM »

Unlike my good mate Ed, I'm what I consider blessed in that I don't have to muck round with that foul black Yecch.  I am most fortunate enough to be able to get enough veg to run a power station if I wanted.

Obviously I am biased but I also have 15+ years experience with veg so am comfortable with it and understand it.
I personally find Veg SO much better than WMO.  I have tried that and use it to get rid of the stuff when people kindly turn up with it thinking they are doing me a favour ( or not in the case of my brother in law who just wants to get rid of it) but mainly these days I use it for burner fuel so I don't have to process it.

The WMO Stinks both when handling  it and it's burnt in the engine, It stains everything it touches, looks terrible and is SO much harder to clean up than veg oil.  Veg I wasn't even worried about being careful with.  I'm too much of a Klutz for it to matter anyway. The more careful I tried to be, the bigger mess I made.
I didn't much care, I used to process whatever oil I wanted-400-1000L and then when I was finished, I put all my toys away and cleaned the area of the concrete driveway I used to play on with some KOH.  The mrs only complaint was that when I finished cleaning up, that spot on the driveway which now looked like new concrete made all the rest look Dirty. I was asked to please move to a new spopt next time so as to try and make it all look cleaner instead of one bit laughing at the rest.

WMO just stains everything.  I can pour veg down the driveway and clean it no problem. 100Ml of WMO and it leaves a black stain you can't get out with 3 concentrated applications of KOH straight on it.

Don't get me wrong, it's a great fuel, just not one suitable for an inherently messy and untidy mongrel like me.

My senses aren't what they used to be anymore but I still have no trouble telling when the cat box needs emptying .
 I must be so used to it, I can't smell the fish and chips or the Donuts cooking from a veg fueled engine any more.  I might catch a whiff on startup when it's strongest but after that, Just don't register now.  When I was playing with the roid a few months back I had some old bio in it and my wife and daughter were Commenting on that and the subsequent oil I put in it they could smell from the house but just didn't register with me at all.
Sure smelt the diesel I put in it later though!

Not that I would EVER do it myself... ::) But I have ... heard... the black diesel you describe is great for fence posts to stop white ants  getting to them as well as rotting. Had to laugh when I was at my Dads the other week. Every fence post on the length fence lines is a nice designer black colour from top to ground. He cuts the oil with old stale petrol he gets and throws in Tranny, brake, diff and gearbox oil and Power steering fluid as well.
The black posts looks really good actually!

I'll stick to keeping the restaurateur's happy.
Been raiding more than one Veg drum and had someone come running up to me asking if I would take their oil as well because the collector hadn't been and they were drowning in the stuff. 

They thought I was doing them a favour, I thought at the time I won the lottery.   :laugh:

I don't know what it is Bruce but every Veg oil vid I have seen has oil that is just so much better than what you get here. Maybe it's cheaper there or although Americans quaff down fried food they have higher standards with it. The oil I see is always this beautiful light colour and very thin like it was used once and changed.  the oil I have got over the years just isn't like that. Tends to be far more used, darker and thicker.

Some of the best I was getting was Off the cruise ships when they stocked up in port.  They had their oil in 1000L Cubies which was a god send. Garbage company that had the contract for the waste from the ships was glad to give it to me and it was so convenient. They just forked the IBC into the back of my trailer and I was on my way.  I have supplied a lot of my oil mates over the years but they weren't expecting me to slide an IBC out the back of the trailer with this light liquid gold.

The normal stuff everyone tends to get here is pretty dark although asian places in general have the best oil.  I remember this one place I used to collect from was this dingy filthy looking place that was a hole in the wall at an industrial complex.  I think they must have changed their oil daily. It was like it was poured from the drum it was delivered in to the waste oil drum.  Man that stuff was good!

When I had Helga and Heidi, My beloved Yellow 300D's, we used to go for a lot of drives down the coast to the beach and get take away.  First thing my my kids at 11 and 12 years old would do when we went to a new place is run round the back to look for the oil drum and check it out. If it was decent the place got the nod, If it were sump oil they weren't eating there and would rather go hungry.

Things you look back on and think that probably no other kids in the whole world did that when they went to eat somewhere.
God I miss those days so bad.

Need to go find some local sources now I have moved and the supplies I brought with me are drying up. Loads of restaurants round here and of course as one as demented as me does, already made mental notes of the locations of the oil drums.
I don't really have to go to the bathroom everytime I go to a place to eat but I know the facilities are usual y out the back near where the drum of liquid gold is kept too.

 :laugh:

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Generators / Re: Flashing an Alternator help request
« Last post by Johndoh on May 24, 2018, 10:14:17 PM »

I always did it from a 12V battery with the AVR but no loads connected. Maybe I was lucky?

Did do it while it was running though. Generally with a volt meter on the output you will see the voltage building over a few seconds and then it will come up.
I can always tell when the field has been restored by the electrical hum that I can somehow manage to hear over the clatter of the engines.  Petrols are harder to hear than diesels, must be the respective Frequencys.

What I have also done ( this is a confession NOT a recommendation) is just give the things some real big revs. That seems to create stronger fields with whatever magnetism there is left ( logically) and many times I have got away with that.
I had a genny that would always  be dead after I brought it out after a few months but warming it up and bypassing the governor on the carb to give it a few big hits always brought the thing back to life with no other tinkering required.
How do I know where to connect each wire? there are 4 in total... IDIOT doing this mr Glort
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Generators / Re: Flashing an Alternator help request
« Last post by Johndoh on May 24, 2018, 10:12:24 PM »
Each generator type will have specific instructions and they are variable depending on the specific design.

In general you have to apply a low voltage (6vdc) to your field windings to get the magnetism back. Once you have kick started the process, it will be self maintaining. If there is an AVR involved, you will need to remove it from the circuit during the flash to avoid damage. If your unit is "inherently regulated" as in Marathon LIMA MAC models, all you will need to do is momentarily short circuit the output windings while the unit is spun up to speed. Exact procedures are usually covered in the O&M manuals for your generator head.

If unfamiliar with the risks and the process,, get some help. Test your windings and components while you are at it.

dieselgman
So I disconnect the AVR and apply voltage to the wires connected to the coils? Do I do this with the engine running? Do I need to disconnect and isolate the coils prior to flashing?
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Generators / Re: Flashing an Alternator help request
« Last post by glort on May 24, 2018, 09:56:50 PM »

I always did it from a 12V battery with the AVR but no loads connected. Maybe I was lucky?

Did do it while it was running though. Generally with a volt meter on the output you will see the voltage building over a few seconds and then it will come up.
I can always tell when the field has been restored by the electrical hum that I can somehow manage to hear over the clatter of the engines.  Petrols are harder to hear than diesels, must be the respective Frequencys.

What I have also done ( this is a confession NOT a recommendation) is just give the things some real big revs. That seems to create stronger fields with whatever magnetism there is left ( logically) and many times I have got away with that.
I had a genny that would always  be dead after I brought it out after a few months but warming it up and bypassing the governor on the carb to give it a few big hits always brought the thing back to life with no other tinkering required.
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Generators / Re: Flashing an Alternator help request
« Last post by dieselgman on May 24, 2018, 09:27:29 PM »
Each generator type will have specific instructions and they are variable depending on the specific design.

In general you have to apply a low voltage (6vdc) to your field windings to get the magnetism back. Once you have kick started the process, it will be self maintaining. If there is an AVR involved, you will need to remove it from the circuit during the flash to avoid damage. If your unit is "inherently regulated" as in Marathon LIMA MAC models, all you will need to do is momentarily short circuit the output windings while the unit is spun up to speed. Exact procedures are usually covered in the O&M manuals for your generator head.

If unfamiliar with the risks and the process,, get some help. Test your windings and components while you are at it.

dieselgman
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Generators / Flashing an Alternator help request
« Last post by Johndoh on May 24, 2018, 08:54:49 PM »
Does anyone have an idiots guide to flashing a generator alternator? Thank you
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General Discussion / Re: IMPORTANT! PLEASE READ! GDPR regulations, May 2018
« Last post by AdeV on May 24, 2018, 08:33:50 PM »
Thanks everyone, I may look after the server here, but it's you guys who ARE the community. Long lives to you all!

Anyway... this post has generated around 750 e-mails (so far!), waaay too many for me to look at tonight. And I accidentally ran "npm" on my laptop, which currently has a habit of killing it stone dead until it's finished. I have no idea why. I wish I did... but the upshot is, I can't even hit "reply" to any e-mails yet.

For those of you who have asked for e-mail address changes; I'll put these through as soon as I can & let you know via e-mail when I'm done. A few (5 or 6) have deleted accounts using the proper procedure, I've got a few delete requests via e-mail too. We've got a holiday weekend coming up here in the UK, so I'll try to use that to clear some of the backlog.

Cheers!
Ade.
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General Discussion / Re: The future of electric Vehicles.
« Last post by AdeV on May 24, 2018, 07:31:37 PM »
Hey Glort, have you heard of "black diesel"? 3/4 used motor oil, 1/4 regular unleaded petrol (gas) if I recall correctly...

Won't get you any green points, but it might make your local mechanics very happy bunnies, if they don't have to pay to dispose of their waste oil any more...
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General Discussion / Re: The future of electric Vehicles.
« Last post by BruceM on May 24, 2018, 03:50:21 PM »
Free used veggie oil is unbeatable in cost and renewable green star points.   :D
 
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No, it does not produce 50Hz, I am actually able to see the blinking in my fluorescent bulbs, so it is around 30, I think.

Thank you for the information, now I need information on the generator and if it's voltage is regulated and I will also try to replace the resistor that is not working.

Arve
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