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General Discussion / Re: Finding an equivalent injector pump
« on: August 03, 2018, 10:03:46 PM »
Before my recent diesel obsession, my last "problem hobby" was collecting old shop equipment.  I have the Model 60 as well as two 10EE's, and one of those needs to go.  I also have an original Hardinge HLV (not HLV-H) in need of a new owner, as it needs restoration and I have a 16-month old now.  My time to do such things is no longer unlimited.

The model 60 came to me via a government auction.  Snagged it for $850.  Also one of the 10EE's came from that same auction.

At some point I'd like to find an old USSR lathe and give it a try.  It'd be super interesting to see how the Russians did things.  Probably overly beefy and built to be repaired in dire circumstances is my guess.

Gary at DES is sending me a fuel tank and associated hardware to connect to the M18x1.5mm banjo fitting on the fuel pump.  Can't wait to get her up and running!  I'm also ready to do a thorough cooling jacket de-rusting with muriatic acid.  A 25% solution is recommended for de-rusting the Changfa in the manual, so I figure it should work on the CS as well.  It's pretty gnarly in there.

General Discussion / Re: Finding an equivalent injector pump
« on: August 03, 2018, 07:21:10 PM »
Heh.  Yeah I completely understand about the injectors.  I'm being unrealistic, but it's hard to spend the extra cheddar when you aren't sure if it's actually the underlying problem.  I'm not a diesel engine mechanic by any stretch, I just enjoy tinkering with them.

Thanks for the picture, it is indeed almost that exact model.  The page Steve sent me really helped, and I solved the issue.  Apparently mine is a rare-ish "toolmaker" model 60, which has those threading handles I was telling you about.  It works by having the handle on the apron engage the leadscrew forward and reverse, making threading operations easier.  There are two automatic stop collars on the handle spindle, one on the headstock side and one on the tailstock side.  These were both extended to their limits and clamped down on their stops, preventing any motion of the handle.  I loosened them and gave it some slack, and lo and behold, it works like a charm!  All it took was making myself look a bit of an idiot on here and to the Monarch Man, a small price to pay for lifelong return on investment. ;)

Really appreciate your input, I'll ponder the options and continue to research online.

General Discussion / Re: Finding an equivalent injector pump
« on: August 03, 2018, 03:27:00 PM »
Just heard back from Monarch.  Apparently my particular machine has a reversing handle on the side of the apron.  I'd been messing around with all the handles for quite some time, using every possible combination of lever positions, and haven't been able to make it do anything at all.  I must either be missing something or there's a mechanical issue somewhere.  Steve sent me the instructions so I'll pore over them and figure out which it is.

General Discussion / Re: Finding an equivalent injector pump
« on: August 03, 2018, 03:15:17 PM »
Thanks 38, I'm anxiously waiting on a response from the Monarch dude.  The lathe came from NASA/Redstone Arsenal, so it's entirely possible they stole the handle and used it on the Mars rover or blasted it to Venus or something.  What's getting me is that it looks like there was never anything installed on that position in the first place, there's ancient grease evenly covering the plate and the shaft is perfectly flush with the flange.  It's as if the handle were never installed.  So I'm missing or misinterpreting what's going on somewhere here.  I'll report back when Steve gets back to me.

And yes, I'm entirely guilty of trying to cheap out on the pump solution.  I'm not even sure if that's the issue, although I'm pretty certain.  The gamble of over a hundred greenbacks to check my pump theory is approaching "not worth it" territory considering I only paid $300 for all six engines and already have a fully functioning LT1A.

I'm thrilled to have joined the CS club, and also to have an 1115.  They're both fantastic pieces of kit.  I'm planning on adding an ST head to the CS.  Gotta contact Central Georgia Generator today and see what a 5kVa ST head is running nowadays.

General Discussion / Re: Finding an equivalent injector pump
« on: August 03, 2018, 01:50:33 PM »
Thanks guys.  I've found them on Ebay, but they're invariably in another country.  If possible I'd like to find one in El Norte America.

There's a video on YouTube of a guy that has one which looks as if it's got an aftermarket pump, and I'd really like to find his source.  He's gone to ground though and isn't responding to his video comments.  If I could get mine firing up like his I'd sure be one happy camper!  Mine will fire right up on ether, but dies immediately after I stop giving 'er the sauce.  I took the side cover off looking for other issues, and all I can come up with is that the rack is just too "gritty" to move freely.  The devil of the thing is that the ground parts move extremely freely until they're put back together, at which point the tension from the spring seems to bind them up.  Even moving around the spring keeper a little bit affects the grittiness and freedom of movement of the rack.  I'm honestly fed up with fiddling with it, and just want to try a brand new Chinese unit if I can find one.


In other news, my new-to-me 1959 Monarch Model 60 lathe is giving me fits.  It only cuts left hand threads, and there's no lever where the leadscrew reverse handle is supposed to be.  I feel like a damned idiot that I can't figure it out, but I have admitted my sins to Steve, the service manager at the still-extant Monarch.  Hopefully he'll hand me the easy solution so life can move on...  I'm trying to cut some straight 11.5 tpi threads for the CS cooling ports.  NPT would work, but it wouldn't be absolutely correct for the job, and I'm trying to keep it as close to original as possible.

General Discussion / Finding an equivalent injector pump
« on: August 03, 2018, 11:32:16 AM »
So on my recent road trip to Wichita to pick up those two LT1A's and four Lombardini 6LD260's, I noted that every one of the Lombardinis was missing some part of its injector pump.  This led me to believe I'd be able to find new or fix them.  Well, I'm striking out.  After trying every trick I can find, I've had no luck with the repairs.  Even after complete disassembly, including thorough cleaning and lubing the rack remains sticky, and the governor can't effectively move it.

Now I'm moving on to Option #2 - Replace the pump.  Problem is, the originals are rare as hen's teeth.  Nobody seems to have them, or I'm looking in the wrong places.  Even if I can find one I'm sure it'd be priced out of what I'm willing to spend on a "maybe fix".  I've seen several suggestions that these pumps are built to standards, and it should be easy to find an import clone of the original.  Can anyone please tell me how to find an equivalent pump for the 6LD260?

Thanks very much in advance.

In other news, one of the LT1's is fully operational after swapping the injector out of its 8600 hour brother!  Also, I made another road trip and picked up an original 1939 CS with SOM "kidney" flywheels and an original Lister SOM cast iron base.  On the same drive I brought home a Changfa 1115 with a 15kVa ST generator head driven via a Lovejoy coupling.  It's been said many times, but I'll say it again - this is a BEAST of a device.  I was honestly expecting a Briggs sized engine, but it's more like someone lopped off one cylinder of a Cummins truck engine and laid it down on its side.  When it fires up it's like a small earthquake.  Quite impressive.

So after seeing the raw awesomeness which is the 1115, I'm going to sell the 295 powered generator.  It works fine, but it doesn't have that "certain something" weirdness I find highly appealing in my toys.

Engines / Re: LT1A no start
« on: July 17, 2018, 05:47:13 PM »
It was good, John. But not that good.

Engines / Re: LT1A no start
« on: July 17, 2018, 12:33:56 PM »
So I stole the injector off of the other LT1 and tested it.  To my great surprise, it atomized perfectly.  I then reassembled the first one and installed the "new" injector.  The engine fired right off!  It runs cleanly, with no knocking sounds.  Let's just say I'm very, very happy with my first Lister diesel.

In the process of discovery, I ended up answering my own questions.  The injectors press out, not screw out.  It's interesting to me why injectors are pressed in while spark plugs screw in.  Just a different philosophy, I suppose?  To my mind they occupy about the same space.  I realize one provides fuel while the other ignites it, but it does make me do that sound in my head that Tim the Tool Man Taylor used to make when he was surprised.

Engines / Re: LT1A no start
« on: July 15, 2018, 02:25:25 PM »
Excellent, thanks!

Engines / Re: LT1A no start
« on: July 15, 2018, 11:17:06 AM »
That's certainly on my list of things to do.  It also brings up more questions.

When you remove the head, do you absolutely need to replace the head gasket, or can you re-use the original if it remains intact?  I know some head gaskets are "crush" and some are plain, but I'm not sure which type these LT1's are.

Is there a preferred supplier of Lister parts in the U.S.?  I don't mind spending the money for international shipping, but the lag time would be interminable.  I've searched online for gasket sets, and they all ship from the U.K. to the U.S.

I did contact Lister-Petter directly and of course they have the parts, but I'm afraid to ask what they want for them.  I've played this game before with Monarch Lathe Co. and was shocked at their NOS prices.

This is the best option I've found so far:


What do you think, is this the best source for a gasket set in the U.S.?

Engines / LT1A no start
« on: July 14, 2018, 03:27:17 PM »
So I picked up a couple of LT1A's and four Lombardini 6LD260's from an ad on Craigslist.  I'm embarrassed to say how much trouble I went to and how far I traveled to pick them up.  I spent WAY more on the rental minivan and hotel room than I did on the engines...  But here we are.

The two LT1's are built in '85 and '86.  The '85 is in MUCH better shape than the '86.  The '85 cranked, but no fire.  First things first, I checked the injector pump.  It was seized up with rust.  So after a bath in Purple Power and a thorough brass bristle brushing, it now works like a champ.  There is fuel squirting out the end of the line to the injector, but outside of a couple of brief firings the very first time it was reassembled (maybe a second or two of actual running - just to give one hope and then have it torn away!) it's acting as if it's getting no fuel.  It acts as though it wants to run, but maybe the injector is gummed up?

This leads to my question - how to remove an injector?  This is Diesel 101, I realize.  But as much wrenching as I've done, I've never had to remove an injector.  The manual makes it seem as though it can only be done with a specialized tool.  Before starting to crank around on the thing, I figured I should post the question here.

After removing the allen head 6mm bolt hold-down, the injector has a flat on the end.  Does this unscrew, or is it a press fit?  I already bought the Harbor Freight injector puller kit, but if I can get it out without using it, well it's $38 back in my wallet.

Thanks in advance for any advice and ideas.

Engines / Re: Lister petter lv1
« on: July 14, 2018, 02:11:11 PM »

I just picked up a couple of LT1's and the nice folks at Lister emailed these to me a couple of days ago.  So it's latest info directly from the manufacturer.

Oh man, that is gorgeous!  Original base and everything.  Wow.

Thanks ronmar.  I agree.  I sent those pictures off to the Mahindra dealer here in Atlanta, but he must be a bit behind on the emails because it took nearly a week for him to send me an email address where I could attach photos.  The contact form on their website had no such provision.

I'll let you all know what diagnosis they respond with.

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