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Everything else / Re: Not accepting new work for a few months
« on: July 16, 2015, 10:05:21 AM »

We did something similar 4 years back, running a small hotel in the mountains is good, walking down 2 flights of stairs to go to work is amazing!

'Remember the seventh day' is sound advice!!

Do Well


Things I want to Buy / Re: WTB: Crank bearing housing, etc
« on: June 25, 2015, 09:31:21 AM »
Hi TxB

The rivets are available here.


Can't imagine that postage to the 'States will be too horrendous given their (lack) of size!

Cheers Stef

Listeroid Engines / Re: Flywheel Balancing Questions
« on: June 23, 2015, 08:45:01 AM »
Thanks for that,

Nice to have confirmation that if I am guessing then I'm not going down a dead end whilst wearing rose coloured glasses!

Sadly some one sabotaged the motor years back, by pouring sand into the sump and the previous owner had no details of it's previous existence. It doesn't appear to have done a lot of hours since it was last rebuilt (from the most disparate pile of bits and pieces imaginable). Maybe it was a show engine, or maybe the sand was the result of some one's frustration when the odds and sods would barely run. 

We're quite busy on the B&B front over the summer, but eventually I'll get the balancing underway and will doubtless be looking for more advice!

Cheers Stef

Listeroid Engines / Flywheel Balancing Questions
« on: June 22, 2015, 08:43:25 PM »
Hi All

I'm slowly getting on with the rebuild of my 3/6/8-1 bitza

The spec plate indicates it started life as a 3-1 hopper cooled version around 1933

It camr to me with the larger bore cylinder and a piston with 4 standard rings and no scraper, although the bottom ring sits in a groove that has been machined in a similar fashion to an oil control ring. (the oil control ring I have won't fit in the bottom - or any other - groove)

Whilst cleaning off the flywheels - they appear to be a pair - I found a '3' stamped on one of the spokes and what may be a badly stamped 3 on the other wheel.

I've finally found someone to regrind the big end, next is balancing.

My questions are......

Is there a difference in 3-1 and 6-1 flywheels (to allow for the mass of a bigger piston)?

If there is a difference, is it too large to overcome with additional weights? - I intend to use the stick on type used on Mag alloy wheels

Is there any merit in using an aluminum 8-1 piston, (less mass), I'd ideally like to end up with a 6-1

I've aquired a pair of ball bearing  'axle' stands and there's loads of info on here that should get me through the balancing stage once the crankshaft returns, the big question is 'Can it be done with what I have'?

All help, advice and comments welcome!

Cheers Stef

General Discussion / Re: What happened to my avitar ??
« on: June 22, 2015, 04:31:12 PM »
Well I can see yours!!


Don't know if there's something similar in the 'States but the oil bath filter of a Series Landrover should do it, for little money


No filters to buy / stock. I've had various Landies and they do a decent job (IMHO!) with minimal maintenance.

Cheers Stef

Hi All

Rudolph Diesel got the first patent accepted but a Brit by the name of Herbert Akroyd-Stuart got there first!

Akroyd-Stuart's engines were built from 26 June 1891 by Richard Hornsby and Sons as the Hornsby Akroyd Patent Oil Engine under licence and were first sold commercially on 8 July 1892. It was the first internal combustion engine to use a pressurised fuel injection system.

See Wikipedia for more details.

If Akroyd-Stuart had got his admin together we'd have all been driving 2 liter turbo 'Herberts'!!

Cheers Stef

Listeroid Engines / Re: Jkson 6/1 rebuild
« on: May 25, 2015, 09:11:37 AM »
Hi All

Across Europe we have a budget supermarket chain called Lidl, some of the hand tools they sell are of fairly decent quality.

A couple of years back I bought a BSP pipe threading set, with dies from 1/4" to 1 1/4", in a plastic carrycase complete with 2 pipe cutters and two pipe wrenches, and it ain't too bad, I had the last one in the shop for 17!!

And it cut around 15 1 1/4" threads when i moved the central heating boiler with no sign of damage. Well worth grabbing one if they reappear.

With large numbers of big brands outsourcing their manufacturing to the Far East it's no wonder quality is getting better.

Cheers Stef

Lister Based Generators / Re: First time Lister owner
« on: May 08, 2015, 04:03:52 PM »
Hi biggkiddds

Yep, small holders, market gardeners, or the Jocks say crofters!

Best of luck with the growing season, even more with the power generation in the 'off' season!


Things I want to Buy / Re: WTB Whitworth/BSP dies etc
« on: May 06, 2015, 09:05:35 PM »
Hi TxB

To clean out the exhaust pipe thread, try cutting shallow slots down the length of the thread,  in a pipe fitting of the correct size (with a fine blade in an angle grinder)  so it resembles a tap.

It won't re cut but it'll clear out any crud and give you a good idea if the thread can be saved, at minimum cost, not perfect, but cheap!

I picked up the idea from an old '50's copy of The Motorcycle (or something similar) years back where it was recommended for cleaning spark plug threads (with an old plug)

Cheers Stef

Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Even more CS Questions
« on: April 28, 2015, 08:34:17 PM »
Thanks both,

Looks like the one fitting I had at 1/8" BSP was a bit more mangled than I thought, still at least I resisted the temptation to drive it home regardless.  I'll be Ebaying for a new 1/8" tap directly!!


To be honest things that trip my trigger are getting fewer and farther between as time goes on, 2 1/2" of remodeled secondhand Whitworth bolt ain't even close!

The crank has been run in sand and is well shot, I've cleaned it up and it'll need a -60 thou bearing. I've got some 2mm ally plate on the way over and I'll have a go at Starfire's diy method.
As the end is going to need all the help it can get, - I've not had a hand in scraped bearings in 45 years! - I'll take heed of your comments and add the hollow dipper as a belt and braces move.

Cheers Stef

Listeroid Engines / Re: Jkson 6/1 rebuild
« on: April 28, 2015, 11:43:36 AM »
Hi Gippslander

I've just been up the shed and the threads in the oil cooler I had delivered a couple of weeks back, from the States (tho' they are definitely Indian) are 1/2" UNF

'Course yours might be...............

Cheers Stef

Original Lister Cs Engines / Even more CS Questions
« on: April 27, 2015, 08:54:19 PM »
Hi All

Well I've done most of the grubby bits on the collection of disparate parts that I hope will turn into a a 6/1 and I've 'dry fitted' them back together, as a practice run (and to stop me loosing them)!

I'm now waiting for a mate to bring the bits down to try and sort out the crank and the head.

A couple of questions,

What is the thread for the grease nipple in the rocker shaft? I've tried with the bits and pieces I have up here but can't match it.

The dipper it came with is home made,but longer than than the 'Indian dipper' I've acquired - (the Indian has a different thread from the 3/8" Whitworth in the con rod) so today I made a 'hollow dipper' - mostly 'cos it was raining and I was bored! - I have what appears to be a 1933 bottom end, with a 2 1/2" big end, plain main bearings and a splash plate. Do I use the hollow dipper or knock up a solid one? There seems to be a lot of conflicting advice on the site and I'd welcome everyone's opinion

Finally, the piston is an iron 4 1/2", with provision for four plain rings and  no oil control ring. The bottom housing is machined in a similar fashion to an oil control ring, with ports bored through to return the oil through the body of the piston. It has a little corrosion damage but looks like it has never worked hard and as the rings gap at 15 thou top and bottom it'll be going back in regardless of it's heritage!!

Thanks in advance


Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Turning a crankshaft? Specs?
« on: April 26, 2015, 05:58:20 PM »

When we have problems with cutless bearings (in marine prop shaft housings) we use a hacksaw blade, in a handle, cutting on the 'pull' to split the bearing.

Cut it twice, about 1/2" apart then chisel the thin strip out, you could use a copper drift to save damage. it's not necessary to cut all the way through, once you get the split running, then 'collapse' the rest of the bearing inwards.

I realise the bearing shell steel rather than brass, but it ought to work, be patient and careful!

Cheers Stef

Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Another 6/1 Restoration
« on: April 25, 2015, 09:17:41 AM »
Hi Hugh

It wasn't the French who had a hand in it, otherwise it would still be in Paris, it was UPS!!!

The French parcel service is called Chronopost, should be Chronicpost, the idle sods won't drive the 18k up the mountain so they swear blind you weren't in and you must have lost the little post card they should have left, or they couldn't find it, despite the fact it's a huge white house with a B&B sign outside on the only main road to the col.

Enough rant, I'll let some else get the thread back on topic!

Good luck with the Enfield, I quite fancy one, there's a Brit round here with 7/8 of them ,he's bound to get bored with one sooner or later!!

Cheers Stef

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