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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Another 6/1 Restoration
« on: April 23, 2015, 02:02:12 PM »
I have been doing some window shopping for parts:
I will appreciate some comments or ideas of other sources, or experiences with the shops listed. (PM me if you have warnings!)
  • I found a Lister agent not too far away from me that do deliveries at a reasonable cost, but the parts come at a heavy price premium...
  • You probably all know http://www.stationaryengineparts.com/ in the UK. Nice website, plenty parts in stock and I got some decent advise from Steve. I have already imported a handfull of small items like the valve springs, valve stem caps, oils seals and so on from him. I have some items in my wishlist that I will soon order.
  • In Australia I found http://www.oldtimerengines.com.au/. Way more parts available than what are on the website. Contact there is Craig, and as he pointed out to me, the shipping cost kills the purpose of the exercise. Same as with stationaryengineparts, only the smaller and lighter items are suitable for airmail. I am waiting for my final quote from him.
  • Listeroid manufacturer http://lister-petter.devprecisionengineers.com/lister.htm in India is also busy quoting me. I got a quote from them previously and the stuff was dirt cheap... I never followed through with the exercise to determine the cost landed at my door, but that will now be done.
I'm hoping to take my cylinder to the engineering shop tomorrow afternoon to discuss the re-sleeving with them and also get a quote if they are up to the job. I don't think I'll get much chance to get my hands dirty with rust and diesel this weekend as I will start with wiring in my mains changeover switch. We are getting some load shedding at the moment and I'm not too keen on the backfeeding idea, so I'll make it safe and legal to connect my noisy petrol generator to the DB. How I wish this Lister was running already...

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Another 6/1 Restoration
« on: April 19, 2015, 02:15:37 PM »
Piston cleaning: (Camera exposure a bit slow - piston was only doing around 200 rpm)


Piston cleaned up nicely:
There is some minor pitting on the OD  due to water corrosion, but nothing to worry about.


Crown pitted due to water standing in the engine:


@Dsmoker:
Re: boring it out to re-sleeve. Had that done with my 6/1. worked fine, lots of meat in that cylinder wall to machine out and re-sleeve back to original 4.5" bore. I did not measure the O.D. of the dry sleeve, though if memory serves, it has at least 1/8" wall thickness. There was no step in the O.D. You must use a cast iron piston for the 6/1 or your machine will be out of balance at least. Al pistons are used in the 8/1.
Cheers, Hugh

I'll go speak to the guys at the local engineering shop about sleeving it. Do you know what the piston-to-bore clearance and the ring gap is? My "Lister 5/1 Spare Parts Book" indicates that the gap is 0.012" to 0.016" (0.31mm to 0.41mm). I heard that some guys use the aluminium piston in the 6/1, but that just doesn't feel right... I can imagine that scenario upsetting the engine's balance.

Seriously, I would return that cylinder and piston into service as is. I have seen many worse than this that ran just fine. The wear into the chrome coating is quite normal for this age, and seems not to cause any great concern with compression loss, blowby or oil consumption issues. The money saved too, as you have found is considerable. I suggest put it together and give it a run. I think you will find its all good, and you have nothing to lose by trying it anyway. These are not a  Ferrari engine, they are an overbuilt agricultural design that will run happily with greatly out of spec tolerances, this is why they are 80 years old and still running.

You are right about the engines being forgiving to wear. I just worry a bit about the ridge that formed where the chrome wore away. In the corresponding position on the piston there is some carbon build up just above the top ring. There was obviously some blow by - just not sure how bad. The build up could have happened over years?

I put the rings one after the other in the bottom of the bore and got these measurements:
Rings worn out...  :(
#1: 0.77mm
#2: 0.70mm
#3: 0.65mm
#4: 0.60mm
#5: 0.90mm


Bore Diameter (measured at bottom): 114.36mm to 114.38mm
The top of the bore measured 114.44mm (0.07mm Taper)
The spot where the chrome is gone: 114.60mm


I measured the piston with a Vernier. Unfortunately I don't have an outside Micrometer big enough.


Check Vernier size with micrometer: 114.15 (I'll still confirm this size later, but it can't be far off.)
Thus, piston to bore clearance is: 114.37 - 114.15 = 0.22

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Another 6/1 Restoration
« on: April 18, 2015, 10:35:52 PM »
Hi Dieselgman.
I'll clean the piston properly and report back on it's condition. I think putting a liner in is first prize when considering cost. I had a look on http://www.stationaryengineparts.com/ for a new cylinder block. The exchange rate of 18 South African Rand to the Pound plus shipping made my stomach turn!  :-\

Do you have any idea how much can be safely bored out from the cylinder to put a liner in? Are the liners usually stepped?
If it turns out that the piston is no-good, I will go oversize. I see the aftermarket oversize pistons are all aluminium. Does the light piston not upset the balancing of the engine?

Regards.

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Another 6/1 Restoration
« on: April 18, 2015, 09:39:59 PM »
Hi.
I have been on and off busy with a 6/1 restoration for quite some time now. There are lots of problems with the engine. Plenty wear and missing/broken parts. The engine was obviously abused, and a seized camshaft ultimately put the engine out of service. It was then left outside for a loooong time... some people have zero mechanical sympathy. ??? I'm having to deal with lots of rust and grinding off thick layers of paint.

As I strip, I try to clean and repair as much as I can.
Basic progress -
Injector: Fixed and set. (Was stuck and blocked)
Diesel pump: Fixed (Was stuck and blocked)
Head: Fixed up and painted (Valves stuck, springs badly corroded)
Other parts in stages of getting painted.
Bottom end basically untouched.

Next big challenge: I will use the engine as a standby generator when I'm done with it, but with the project being just a hobby, cost is an issue for me. I don't want to do halve a job, but I will fix what can be fixed - more fun that way anyway. The cylinder bore is badly worn - apparently it is typical of high-hour engines to wear the chrome away towards the top of the cylinder near the exhaust port. There are also some scorch marks towards the top of the piston, but I'll see how bad it is once the piston's been cleaned properly, but I suspect I will be able to use the piston again. I would like to bore out the cylinder and put a liner in it, but I've been advised not to do this. Can anyone comment on past experiences with putting a liner in? Is it really impossible?

Engine when it landed at home. Doesn't look too bad? Couple of surprises waiting for me...


Mouse nest in head?


Head off


Underside head. Plenty rust.


Patience tester ;D


New style key... Some people can fix anything with a hammer.
(Notice the bolt hammered into the keyway.)


SOM Solenoid:


Serial Number:


Cleaning Piston:


Head soaked in oil - Springs rusted badly.


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General Discussion / Re: HOWTO: Post pictures in the forum
« on: April 18, 2015, 08:24:27 PM »
Lets see if OneDrive works




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