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Lister Market Place (things for Sale) / Re: New Listeroids for sale
« on: August 29, 2019, 08:14:10 AM »
Actually, Mr Bolton, there's a bunch of folks here who wish you well; who would be pleased to see a quality entrant into the market if you manage that; and who will watch your progress with an open mind & with genuine interest

X2 I hope you can make a go at it. Others have tried and failed and others have tried and just build in enough profit to cover the cost of failures. I do believe you will be fighting an uphill battle though, and I do believe that a 50K hour engine is pretty far fetched considering the original Brit iron couldn't do it, but if you can nail down a quality product with quality parts availability that will only help everyone else still in this game. I opted to go the Genuine Lister route, but a source of guaranteed quality parts wouldn't be a bad thing.

Just FYI, the max life expectancy of Original Dursley engines was about 25k hours before MAJOR overhauls as documented in several pieces of correspondence between the factory or dealers and end users/perspective buyers. Scans of the original correspondence is available somewhere on this forum. If that is what Lister could accomplish at the height of their manufacturing capabilities you can bet Rajkot can't hold a candle to it.

As I said before I hope you can make it happen, but the warnings, although some paragraphs long, should be accepted and respected. There is no way you will best Dursley and it's world class production of the original engines in Rajkot. I would imagine that with good QC and oversight you could produce an engine in Rajkot that would last 10-15k hours though.

Other Fuels / Re: HHO what do you know?
« on: August 29, 2019, 08:06:38 AM »
Last post in the original thread was April 05 2013. 6 years and 4 months later..........

I haven't heard HHO mentioned in well, 6 years and 4 months. I thought it had pretty much been kicked to the curb as bunk.

Engines / Re: Lister SL1
« on: August 29, 2019, 07:54:39 AM »
Sadly that doesn't offer much help. Lister is specifying a 2.5" main journal diameter as well as a 2.5" crankpin diameter. There are no tolerance limits listed in that chart, most likely they are on the next page of the manual. Is it the main bearing journals or the connecting rod journal that is .002" out? The rod journal would be easy to check with plastigauge. The main bearings on the other hand can only be measured before assembly. Can the machinist provide you measurements of the different journals on the crank?

You would want as little out of round as possible but if it is within the wear limits you can likely get away with it. As far as the different ways of measuring the crank, they aren't different. The measurement would be the same, ie. micrometer reading. The difference is in the engineering/spec practices. Brits tend to undersize the crank diameter for clearance whereas Americans tend to oversize the bearing ID. Both ways accomplish the same clearance value, .002-.003", but the difference is in which part is smaller or larger than nominal.

Where are you located BTW?

Engines / Re: Lister SL1
« on: August 28, 2019, 02:06:16 PM »
I went through a couple of Lister manuals that I have. I do not have one for an SL but have LT/LV, ST, TS/TL, and HR manuals and they all read the same. They all call for a wear limit of .003-.0035" and a max clearance of .005-.006". I cannot imagine that the SL would deviate much from those specifications as they are in the same ballpark as most engine recommendations.

I am not sure where you are located Scott, but one thing to consider is British vs American engineering practices. The Brits tend to spec a nominal size, say 2.5" for a journal diameter and then remove the needed clearanace from the journal diameter. They would spec a 2.5" bearing ID and a journal diameter of 2.498" whereas American engineers tend to do the opposite by specifying a 2.5" journal diameter and a bearing ID of 2.502". If you are in the US that may be something to consider. I will keep looking around for an SL manual but hopefully that helps.

Engines / Re: Lister SL1
« on: August 28, 2019, 01:42:50 PM »
What did broncodriver99 reply with?

All I can see is 4 little dots like this >>>>     ....

I replied with what I remembered as far as clearances and went searching but could find no specifications to substantiate so decided against posting up clearances that I could not verify so I deleted them. The .... was just a way to replace the text I had written as one cannot delete posts.

Engines / Re: Lister SL1
« on: August 27, 2019, 08:09:17 PM »

Listeroid Engines / Re: Latest Import Status?
« on: August 24, 2019, 08:52:31 PM »
X2 on what Butch said. They are NOT idiots. I have imported several original Listers and they knew exactly what they were. The first one I imported one of the officers specifically asked the country of origin. Because it was coming from the UK it was clear but he did tell me that they were stopping a lot of the engines/machinery coming from India and China. I used my local port which is very small and even they knew what they were. Mine were completely legal because of their antique status unlike a 'roid. Remember Customs has access to google just like everyone else.

I had dotted all of the Is and crossed all of the Ts on my paperwork which made Customs easy and pleasant to deal with. They all seemed to take their job very seriously which I completely respect and appreciate. Their obvious focus is on drugs and intellectual property/counterfeit prevention but they do inspect everything and know what it is.

It is the freight carriers and bonding providers that are lazy gangster wannabes, not CBP. Those guys have their hand out at every passing and fleece you for everything they can every chance they get. I didn't have to pay CBP a dime nor did I have to pay any duties, the freight and import companies on the other hand, let's just say it was no small sum.

Generators / Re: Another project idea
« on: August 11, 2019, 04:05:30 PM »
I have dug around in the gen head I have and they look pretty simple. They are a brush type head. Mine needs the slip rings cleaned up and the brushes bedded in. I will likely try and track down a spare set or two of brushes. I am also thinking I will need to flash the windings as it has been sitting for at least 20 years. There are a couple of rectifiers in the gen head I am assuming for the DC "battery charging" winding. There is an AVR and a capacitor in the control box and from what I can tell looking at the diagram many of the clone generator AVRs will work in it's place. There is a generic replacement available on ebay for ~$30. Genuine replacement parts are available from the same source as the engine parts for the same ridiculous prices. I think the stator is ~$1300.00  :o

As long as your stator and rotor are good it appears there isn't much that can't be fixed for $30-40. I plan to strip and clean the one I have and replace the bearings as well as put on a nice coat of paint.

Generators / Re: Another project idea
« on: August 10, 2019, 08:38:43 PM »
I looked at availability of the repair parts as well. Best I can tell there is one place in Texas that still has availability other than the odd part here and there that pops up on Ebay. They want big money for their parts so I scrapped the idea of repairing it and just removed the generator head and control panel. I have about $50 invested.

I am a bit of a hoarder like most but this project has a little progress. Summer work has gotten in the way as I work 6-6.5 days a week from May-September. I had already torn down the Kirloskar engine but hit a road block when trying to remove the governor assy. I need to finish fabricating a custom tool to get it off. Then I ran across the LD1 which is what I really wanted to use from the beginning. I have not torn into that engine yet. I may just do an inspection and see if it is a runner first. I have the mounting base designed and have found an adjustable motor base that can easily be modified to work with that head as it is very close to a NEMA motor pattern. Hopefully I will get back to it once Fall arrives.

I know and LD1 produces about 2.4 HP @ 1200 RPM, I would imagine and SL1 would be a little more. No harm in having more HP available though. My understanding of the old Honda generator heads is that they were fairly conservatively rated. I imagine they could pull 1.5-2 Kw with no issues.

Generators / Re: Another project idea
« on: August 10, 2019, 04:59:11 PM »
I have that exact generator head that I salvaged from a scrap E1500. I was going to pair it with a Kirloskar engine that I picked up a while back but have since picked up an LD1 that I am going to use instead. I am shooting for the 1200- 1500 RPM range on the LD1 which should give me right at the max 1.5 KW that head can produce.

Engines / Re: LISTER LR1 & LD1 Fuel Tank Straps
« on: August 08, 2019, 01:37:40 PM »
my motto is if Sleeman is the only source I don't need it.


Ugh! French system wrenches. Run what you brung I guess.   ::)

General Discussion / Re: Photo host shutting down
« on: July 31, 2019, 01:09:09 AM »
I would think hosting them on the LEF Gallery would be the best place for them. I would be happy to download and re-upload pics as time permits. I would drop Ade a line and see if there is a way to set up a profile that other users can upload to in case anyone else wants to help with it. The info is much appreciated and the pictures make it much more useful. Maybe Ade knows of an easier way?

Once they are uploaded to a new host the links would have to be updated in the threads though.

Ade could probably tell you the best way to go about it and what would be easiest from an admin perspective. A way to keep track of what has and hasn't been moved and re-linked would be helpful as well.

Changfa Engines / Re: JD165 - First Run
« on: July 20, 2019, 09:14:25 PM »
Came across your new video.

Looks nice with a proper muffler. What generator head is that? I noticed the 110>110/220 switch. That is a pretty nice option for such a small head.

Have you pulled any loads with it yet?

Listeroid Engines / Re: Excited soon-to-be caretaker.....
« on: July 09, 2019, 01:20:36 PM »
As mentioned a pipe wrench is easy and most have one around. If you want a specific tool that would minimize damage there are stud pullers. I have several and they are usually in the $20-30 range depending on the stud size range. They do a good job but can leave marks on the studs as well depending on how tight the studs are. I believe the last set of cylinder studs I pulled I used either an 10" pipe wrench or a pair of channel lock pliers. All but one came out easily and the one only required a little persuasion after being together for 60 years.

You can always wrap the stud with cloth or paper towel to help minimize any marring.

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