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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Modifying injection on CS 6 and 8's
« on: December 03, 2013, 03:40:11 AM »I'll try to be clear and concise.
Having recently learned about the improved efficiencies with high pressure direct injection automotive diesels (upwards of 20% just on improved atomization alone) I've been forced to wonder about the possibilities of retrofitting the already economical CS model with something comparable.
I thought best to put it out here for all of you with lifetimes of experience beyond mine for some feedback on the variables and implications involved.
Simply put: Why not fit a 2400 bar system (pump, injector and lines) with appropriate simple electronic switches to get one of these beasts ultra-economical?
I understand they aren't direct injection...but is that paramount to the process?
Is the engine otherwise actually in need of the extra lube in the unburnt fuel? What problems would running this much leaner cause?
Thanks in advance!
SES
In a diesel engine one has droplets of fuel which are burning. The object of the exercise is for all the droplets to burn quickly, generate heat and push the piston down. One can surmise that the smaller the droplets the faster the burn. Now in an engine that is running at a low speed there is more time for the fuel to burn so there is no need for ultra small droplets. It is still important however to have an adequate injection pressure.
One engine that gave its owner great trouble was a Petter Mini Six. It was the marine version. The exhaust was grey and stinking of unburnt fuel. When the injector was tested it had a pop pressure of 1800 psi. On a Mini Six this is useless. The pop pressure needs to be between 2200 and 2400 psi. That extra 400 psi creates smaller droplets which do burn OK before the exhaust valve opens.
Other people's experience of Common Rail seems to be that it is very unreliable. One person I know spent £3500 on repairs to his VW Caddy van when in all probability the fault was just a fractured intermittent wire. The Main Dealer replaced (1) The injectors. (2) The camshaft. (3) The cylinder head. (4) The turbo-charger. When they did finally fix it they would not say what the fault was! Another bloke trashed his ultra high pressure pump (normally £800) on his Citroen when he ran out of fuel! Fortunately a scrap-yard had a good pump on a knackered engine and this saved £650!
Eliminating the "jerk pump" does allow diesels to run faster but as the pistons are much heavier than those in a petrol engine the improvement in rpm is very modest.