The Kardashev scale says that a civilization should be judged on its ability to harness the energy available to it. A type I civilization should strive to harness all the energy available on a single planet (terrestrial). Ocean thermal currents, geo-thermal, wind energy, tidal forces etc... A type II civilization should strive to harness all the energy available from its nearest star (the sun). A type III all the energy in a galaxy. Unfortunately Carl Sagan estimates we are about a 0.7 (type 0).

Regarding hydrogen fuel cells from Halfnuts:

"Please don't say from the hydrolysis of water because then I'll ask you where the energy for that is supposed to come from."

I've seen research on solar powered hydrolysis... is this feasable?

Before you go drafting a new crop of 18 year old recruits, look a little deeper.

I'm not gonna recruit 18 year olds, thank you. I'm going in with a bunch of fat, middle age guys like myself and tell them after we steal their oil we get to drink all their Molson Canadian.  But seriously folks.... thanks for the info. It does seem like a lot of trouble to produce. I wish the gov't would get behind biodiesel, cellulose ethanol etc. Hydrogen fuel cells seem like a stretch though.

Wonder if we could talk a company like Harbor Freight http://www.harborfreight.com/ into importing some Listeroids? I was in the Lake Worth, FL store for the first time last week and its full of imported machinery. They should certainly have the expertise. Looks like they have over 200 retail outlets plus catalog sales...

Hello all,

The good news is... FEMA reimbursed me for the generator I bought after H. Wilma. The bad news is...I hadn't discovered this forum or the wonderful world of Mr. Robert Ashton Lister yet. So... I am stuck with a 3600 rpm Screamin' Mimi disposable genset (8kW). Much to my dismay, I understand they are good for about 1000 hours (if you're lucky) and am wondering what, if anything I can do to prolong its demise. What goes wrong? Is it the engine or the gen head or both? Can it reasonably be rebuilt or is it truly throw away? In the immortal words of Messrs. Bartyles & James "Thanks for your support".

Hello Forum,

Been looking at Listeroids since Hurricane Wilma and ~ 2 weeks without power. Below is info obtained from Lovson. With shipping charges into Port of Miami.

www.lovson.com

Thank you for your E-mail of 12th January,2006 and the interest shown in our Company and product.
 
PLEASE SEE THE ATTACHED FILE FOR FOB INDIAN RATES
 
SR. MODEL H.P. / cyl RPM BORE & STROKE REMARKS US$ PER NO.
NO       MM   F.O.B. INDIAN PORT
       
 LISTER TYPE WATER COOLED (Tapper Roller Bearing)  DIESEL OIL ENGINES. 
       
1 SL-5 5 / 1 600 114.3 X 139.7  $432.00
2 SL-6 6 / 1 650 114.3 X 139.7  $432.00
3 SL-8 8 / 1 850 114.3 X 139.7  $435.00
4 SL-8A DI 8 / 1 850 114.3 X 139.7 CIP - DI CUT HEAD $442.00
5 SL-8B DI 8 / 1 850 114.3 X 139.7 ALP - DI CUT HEAD $450.00
6 SL-8A 8 / 1 950 120 X 139.7 MOP, ALP $465.00
7 SL-8B  8 / 1 950 120 X 139.7 MOP, CIP $460.00
8 SLC - 8 8 / 1 950 120 X 139.7 SMOP , CBW $490.00
9 SL-9.5 9.5 / 1 950 120 X 139.7 ALP $455.00
10 SL-10A 10 / 1 1000 120 X 139.7 MOP, ALP $465.00
11 SL-10B 10 / 1 1000 120 X 139.7 MOP, CIP $460.00
12 SLC-10 10 / 1 1000 120 X 139.7 SMOP , CBW $495.00
13 SLC-10 TIGER 10 / 1 1000 120 X 139.7 SMOP,CBW , ALP " TIGER " HFW $510.00
14 SLC-10 TIGER DI 10 / 1 1000 120 X 139.7 SMOP,CBW , ALP " TIGER " D.I., HFW $515.00
15 SLC-10 SUMO 10 / 1 1000 127 X 139.7 SMOP,CBW,ALP " SUMO ",HEAVY BODY $545.00
16 SLC-12 SUMO 12 / 1 1000 127 X 139.7 SMOP,CBW,ALP " SUMO ",HEAVY BODY $545.00
17 SLC-14 SUMO 14 / 1 1000 127 X 139.7 SMOP,CBW,ALP " SUMO " D.I.., HDC ,ECONOMY $595.00
18 SLD-12  12 / 2 650 114.3 X 139.7 DOUBLE CYLINDER $780.00
19 SLD-16 16 /  2 850 114.3 X 139.7 DOUBLE CYLINDER $780.00
20 SLD-20 20 / 2 1000 120 X 139.7 DOUBLE CYLINDER $810.00
21 SCL-14 14 / 1 800 145 X 155 "SUPER " SINGLE CYLINDER $900.00
22 SCL-16 16 / 1 670 155 X 204 "SUPER" SINGLE CYLINDER $1,025.00
23 SCL-20 D.I. 20 / 1 750 155 X  204 "SUPER " SINGLE CYLINDER $1,140.00
24 SCL-22 D.I. 22 / 1 800 155 X 204 "SUPER " SINGLE CYLINDER $1,160.00
       
       
* MOP = MOBILE OIL PUMP ( LUBRICATION OIL PUMP )   
* SMOP = SPECIAL MOBILE OIL PUMP   
* CIP = CAST IRON PISTON   
* CBW = CRANK BALANCE WEIGHT   
* ALP = ALUMINIUM LM-13 PISTON   
* D.I. = DIRECT INJECTION     
* TRB = TAPPER ROLLER BEARING   
* HDC = HEAVY DUTY CRANK SHAFT   
* HFW = HEAVY FLYWHEEL   
       
note : Extra attachment on above engines   
1 Water circulating pump size 1" x 1"   $33.60
2 Water circulating pully size 6" Dia  x 4"  $3.00
3 Radiator attachment    $132.00
4 A/C Alternator for 1 Tube 1 Fan   $96.00
5 Self Starter Motor & Alternator for Battery Charge  $380.00
6 With D.I. Arrangement in 5 to 6 h.P. C.I.P.  $12.00
7 With D.I. Arrangement in 10 h.p.    $20.00
8 Steel idler gear and cam gear   $10.00
9 Heavy fly wheel for SLC-10 type model engine.  $18.00
10 For Three bearing in lister type engines  $18.00
       

 


We have given you the list of engine and options available . Please inform us your exact requirements

AT PRESENT WE HAVE GIVEN YOU OFFER ON FOB INDIAN PORT SINCE WE DONT KNOW
YOUR FINAL DESTINATION . PLEASE INFORM SEA PORT IF WANT US TO WORK OUT
 SHIPPING + HANDLING

ALL PORT CHARGES AT DESTINATION  , ALL CLEARING CHARGES , ALL CUSTOMS AND
ALL LOCAL TRANSPORT CHARGES WILL BE TO YOUR ACCOUNT
 
WE HAVE NO PROBLEM IF YOU NOMIATE YOUR OWN SHIPPING LINE,WE WILL HAND OVER THE CARGO TO THEM.

The sea freight for Miami port will be as under:
 
SINGLE CYLINDER   US$150/-  PER ENGINE
DOUBLE CYLINDER  US$250/- PER ENGINE
To facilitate your import we will provide a " GSP " certificate under the Genrealised System of Preferences which allows you to import goods from INDIA at very nominal customs duty. This system is for goods from developing
countries and all goods from  such countries attract reduced customs duty.Inform this to your customs authority when asking for duty rates

REQUEST YOU TO STUDY OUR WEBSITE WWW.SLOWSPEEDENGINE.COM - LITTLE GIANT
WHICH IS OUR NEW MODEL / INVENTION THIS ENGINE HAS COUNTERWEIGHED CRANKS.

Our payments terms as under:

PAYMENT : FULL ADVANCE BY TT.

VALIDITY  : OFFER VALID UPTO 15.01.2006.

If you need further details please let us know we will reply to you.

Best Regards
Joanna Bhat

LOVSON EXPORTS LTD.,
98, Bajaj Bhavan,
Nariman Point,
Mumbai 400 021
INDIA

Tel: 91-22-22024071 / 22021918
Fax: 91-22-56360830 / 22045488