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Title: Earth Hour
Post by: guest22972 on March 30, 2019, 10:15:03 AM

Half way through earth hour here which means The Kiwis have had it and the rest of the world are still about to.

I did my bit, put on all the lights out the front and the back and I have a LOT of lights out there. Good job it's blowing a gale out there tonight or I could have had the student pilots from the local airport 3 Km away trying to do touch and goes in the back yard and down the drive way.

Never let it be said I don't do my bit for stupid and moronic causes.  :laugh:

Had I remembered this afternoon, I would have done more and put a few extra lights out. I went through town this morning and while waiting at the crossing for some poor old digger I was wondering If I should get out and carry to the other side,  saw a sign saying the fairy lights in the trees down the center of the road would be switched off between 8:30 and 9:30  to support earth hour.
Oh please!  ::)  ::)  ::)

Really shows the mind numbing stupidity of this garbage.
They will have every other municipal building lit up like Christmas, all night Including the show ground as they have for the last week in preparation for the local show they are setting up for and be burning probably hundreds of KW hours per night over all but think they are achieving something turning off the fairy lights for an hour that probably don't even pull a KW all up.

Maybe we should pull the plug on twits who come up and promote this crap?  I wonder how many resources and how much energy WAS used in making a song and dance about it?  I would GAURANTEE there was more energy expended on designing and printing this large and plentiful signs all round town let alone the others in the district than what switching the fairy lights off would ever save not to mention all the other resources that went into them including paying people to drive round and put them up then on Monday go round and take the damn things down again.

I'll guarantee the most prominent supporters of this garbage are the inner city trendy types that don't even have a solar panel on their shoebox apartment roofs but think they are saving the world and achieving something with this rubbish.

This save the environment/ co2 / feelgood crap really has gone too far and is just an insult to peoples intelligence with crap like this

Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: oldgoat on March 30, 2019, 10:44:39 AM
I'll bet this really pisses off the personel in the control rooms of every generator when the load dissapears for an hour and then comes back on again.
Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: ajaffa1 on March 30, 2019, 10:45:16 AM
Hi Glort, there are 8760 hours in a year, if these dimwit campaigners believe that one hour is going to make the slightest difference they are deluded and need to seek psychiatric assistance. I am sure that all these people will be back in their cars tomorrow, clogging the roads and belching fumes. The only difference is that they will be able to do it with a clear conscience because they observed "Earth Hour", a bit like a pedophile priest going to confession on Sunday and then going back to molesting children on Monday.

What a crock of sh1t!  >:(

Bob
Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: dax021 on March 30, 2019, 01:13:54 PM
Whether it helps the earth or not, it's still fun to take part in.  Also makes the hippie type chicks a little looser.  Win,win.
Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: BruceM on March 30, 2019, 06:04:11 PM
The point is raising awareness, not power saving, duh. 
The science is clear, the longer we wait, the greater the impact on the lives of our grandkids.

I'm not sure what goes on in the heads of deniers- very little it seems, and a lack of compassion. 

Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: LowGear on March 30, 2019, 06:07:01 PM
Ah; Lister Engine Forum where the worlds greatest thinkers and studs gather to consider the universe. 

Thanks for helping spread the word about the challenges we face in this changing world.  Pi day and solstice were good but now earth hour in the same month makes March Great Again.

OK Perps;  Back over and push your heads down into that sand absolutely as far as you can.  And folks said the pointy part wouldn't be a real help.  Remember; A dirty worn out planet is far better than a well maintained one.  Sort of like Lister engines.
Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: LowGear on March 30, 2019, 06:10:26 PM
Hey Bruce,

I hear the photos of the bottom of the flat planet will first be seen at this sight.  I've heard that it's really shaped much like a coin but I haven't seen the photos as of yet.  The moon and the sun are important facts leading to this obvious theory.

Cheers
Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: basewindow on March 30, 2019, 11:44:58 PM
Maybe try Earth week, stop all electricity for personal use for one week. No internet, no lights, no ipad or tv. See how many of these inner city greens would join in then and be 100% committed to the cause. I'm guessing not many.
Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: BruceM on March 31, 2019, 12:04:30 AM
It's not about politics, it's about leaving a habitable planet for future generations.

Yes, humans are irrational. Half of all humans are below average intelligence; think about your friend who is average, then think of a billion people half that smart. That's the nature of humans.

We need the best minds in science and engineering, and climatologists to address the problem, and politicians to follow their advice; Alas, politicians follow the will of the masses.
Thus silly programs to make the public think about their planet. 



Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: ajaffa1 on March 31, 2019, 11:30:56 AM
Hi BruceM, I hope you don`t think I was having a go at people like yourself who have actually reduced their carbon footprint to a minimum, I wasn`t.

Nor was I having a go at anyone trying to mitigate climate change, I wasn`t.

I was just trying to point out the stupidity of any protest that has only a 0.0114 % effect, assuming that everybody on earth joined in.

As for my concerns for future generations, my daughter is getting married soon with the intention of raising a family. I have very grave concerns about how that is going to end.

Were you aware that at the end of April, one month from today, there will be 8 million more humans on earth than there are today? In time, they will all expect a car, a home, electricity and all the gadgets that can be connected to it. They will then expect the right to have children of their own.

We have huge problems with mass immigration from Africa into Europe and from South America into the USA, I can`t see these problems going away anytime soon.

Exponential growth in a finite world is impossible, something has to give. If you know what that something is please share it with us so we can get on with solving the problem.

Bob

Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: LowGear on April 01, 2019, 11:54:25 AM
Earth Day got this thread going.  Better than nothing.  It's effectiveness in raising awareness is demonstrated.

Oh, and no more crazy talk about a week without the internet.  I'm sorry but I have standards.
Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: ajaffa1 on April 02, 2019, 10:46:16 AM
Once again we are witnessing the planet and its inhabitants going to hell in a handcart. The greedy and powerful have taken over and are milking the system for all it`s worth. Today we are having a Budget in Australia, my understanding is that the federal government has enough money for tax cuts.

The wealthy types can expect an extra $1000 a week pocket money, while the workers can expect $40 a week! My electric bill went up by more than that!

When are the politicians going to start looking after the people who voted for them and stop supporting the globalists who financed their election campaign?

Bob
Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: ajaffa1 on April 02, 2019, 03:47:58 PM
Once they have castrated democracy all that is left is bloody revolution and we don`t want that! Perhaps it is time that right minded people got a little more involved in politics. Start local and work our way up, any ideas or suggestions?

Bob
Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: LowGear on April 02, 2019, 05:26:53 PM
Isn't it wonderful how nice we all are playing with each other?

Still, three weeks ago I couldn't remember "Earth Day".  I wonder if I'll remember it next year?  Cleaner energy simply has to happen.  The planet is finite.  Consuming warm bodies are not (as). 


I watch a large trust organization here in Hawaii.  They do a fairly good job but do have a couple of recurring problems.  They keep pulling their management team out of the same gene pool and expect change.  Is it "stupidity" or "craziness" that is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome?  If you want a different outcome from your team politico you must go to a different gene pool.  Scary stuff. 

Chores call.


Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: BruceM on April 02, 2019, 07:59:57 PM
There is a way to restore democracy partially, and that is to have public funding for elections and outlaw lobbying entirely.  Make the penalties for graft and corruption life very, very heavy.
And of course, term limits.  Power corrupts humans, period.

Good luck getting that passed by representatives who have spent half their lives taking corporate money.

Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: LowGear on April 03, 2019, 05:43:29 PM
Is this the Brexit thread.  I thought I read that one.

True democracy is on the way.  That'll just might be the circus to end all circuses.

True democracy is where everything is voted on by all of the people.  Perhaps we'll put our cell device next to the chip in our breast and run through the votes of the day making our choices known. 

At any rate, representative government is getting a real thrashing in our opinion poles.  When you've got a better idea the world is waiting for your insight.
Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: dieselspanner on April 03, 2019, 09:35:50 PM
As Winston Churchill is reputed to have said,

 'Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others'

Cheers
Stef
Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: mikenash on April 04, 2019, 08:03:27 AM
I was listening today to a report on the radio about a machine that scrubs CO2 out of air - works well, is reliable, can be scaled up easily,  is fairly cheap to run and its by-product is a carbon-based liquid fuel ideal for internal combustion engines.  See?  I KNEW tech would rescue us!   AND it makes petrol for us to keep burning.  Win-win
Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: LowGear on April 04, 2019, 04:43:04 PM
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I'll bet $1000 we'll never see such a machine.

I'm always nervous when I agree with glort.

Are the plans for this contraption in the same cabinet as the clean coal plant? 
Title: Re: Earth Hour and my $1000 please
Post by: mikenash on April 04, 2019, 09:57:34 PM
I heard one of the engineers from the Canadian company doing this work speaking on Radio New Zealand yesterday "it must be true"

He said the machinery was 'working now", "very scaleable", "relatively inexpensive", and produced nothing but "a carbon fuel in a ready-to-use state suitable for automotive use"

Check out the news story:

https://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/science_and_environment

And check out the company:

https://carbonengineering.com/

And check out the CO2-fuel process:

https://carbonengineering.com/about-a2f/

Can I please have my $1000 in NZ dollars? 

(It's very easy to be a "knocker" or a "sceptic" but every now and then IMHO one actually has to have a look at things before deriding them as "greenwash" or dismissing it with " never be allowed by gubbermints in case they loose tax revenue or it disturbs the green hell bent Electric car mandate"

Cash in a brown envelope will be acceptable
Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: LowGear on April 05, 2019, 04:54:32 PM
I though I read some pie in the sky as well.  But money distracts from the mission.  Let's hope for the best for this company.  I hope my broker isn't holding his breath for the commission on this transaction from me.
Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: BruceM on April 06, 2019, 06:22:04 AM
According to the company site, the equivalent of 250,000 cars worth of CO per unit per year.
The energy cost of running it could be substantial as well.

This kind of stuff will likely be used to justify doing nothing.
Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: mikenash on April 06, 2019, 08:54:40 AM
Sorry Glort, I don't want to spend 20 mins of my life I'll never get back reading your magnum opus

That aside, I think that - sooner or later - governments will, kicking & screaming, be dragged into realising that this Climate Shit is serious

THEN, I suspect, the planet's industries & economies will be put on a War Footing, governments will realise that $$ is just a number, and some large-scale shit will get done . . .

Perhaps this Carbon-Eating machine will be one?

The question, IMHO, is how bad/irretrievable will it get before something is done
Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: ajaffa1 on April 06, 2019, 09:55:55 AM
Planet earth has always had a very efficient system for dealing with global warming and reducing atmospheric CO2, they are called trees! They absorb CO2 and give out oxygen for us to breath.

The problem is that we are cutting down all the trees to build houses and make way for agriculture to feed an ever growing human population. So what are we going to do about it? Is anyone going to vote for a political party that advocates for less children, more warfare, less medicine, starvation and compulsory euthanasia? I doubt it. So, what we can`t agree on mother nature will deal with on her own.

I would urge every member on this site to plant a couple of trees, I would also urge them to prepare for a very turbulent time ahead as the peoples in drought stricken areas migrate to cooler climates bringing with them famine, disease, civil unrest and warfare.

Bob

Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: LowGear on April 06, 2019, 02:01:46 PM
Glort, glort, glort.

How many lines of code does it take to get you to bla, bla, bla........  See, it's just not me.

The oceans play a big role in carbon maintenance as well.  It's called algae.  You know, the stuff from whence most crude oil comes (at least it doesn't end with a preposition).  I suspect the planet's solution to some sort of stabilization is to chase the humanoid life forms off of it.  For all you other mammals - oops. 

I'm afraid I agree with the idea that my hill folk ancestors voiced in the old saying that they did have enough chairs but that they just had too many visitors has become true for the entire planet.  Population management is going to become more widely seen as the answer as the trees and algae disappear.  The paradox:  A diminishing population building an increasing political majority. 
Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: BruceM on April 06, 2019, 05:46:43 PM
"our kids are already screwed. "  That's what the world's climate scientists have been screaming for a long time.  Alas, Dunning -Kruger effect lets every idiot think his opinion is valid and well informed.  Thus democracy is the orchestra on the deck of the Titanic, even with corporate corruption removed.

Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: BruceM on April 07, 2019, 01:23:25 AM
"globull warming"  tags the writing as something not worth reading in my book. 
That sort of bologna was cooled up by the Koch brothers and other large petro corps as part of their disinformation campaigns.  Only a Koch puppet would use it.
Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: mikenash on April 07, 2019, 05:31:32 AM
Glort, glort, glort.

How many lines of code does it take to get you to bla, bla, bla........  See, it's just not me.

The oceans play a big role in carbon maintenance as well.  It's called algae.  You know, the stuff from whence most crude oil comes (at least it doesn't end with a preposition).  I suspect the planet's solution to some sort of stabilization is to chase the humanoid life forms off of it.  For all you other mammals - oops. 

I'm afraid I agree with the idea that my hill folk ancestors voiced in the old saying that they did have enough chairs but that they just had too many visitors has become true for the entire planet.  Population management is going to become more widely seen as the answer as the trees and algae disappear.  The paradox:  A diminishing population building an increasing political majority.

Casey, I'm not sure this particular part of your audience here would recognise a preposition if it was swimming in his soup . . .

One of the dubious things social media has given us is the ability to surround oneself with like-minded folk who will reinforce your position until opinion begins to feel like fact.  At which point - irrelevancies/facts/detail having been shunted aside - it is easy to simply be scornful of any view which doesn't align with yours

Following the massacre in Christchurch last month our government has seen itself as being on something of a "war footing" and has rammed through - a la Port Arthur - legislation which will ban almost all semi-automatic rifles; be they in legitimate use or not.  Because of the universal condemnation of the (sadly, Australian) gunman's actions, the government was able to find almost unanimous support for legislation it had been wanting to pass for several decades

If there were to be universal recognition re global warming that things were, indeed, bloody urgent - then governments around the globe might be able to pass legislation to make real change as opposed to a light green-washing (in a manner similar to that adopted by our government re semi-autos) because they would have a "mandate" to do so

Failing that . . .
Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: ajaffa1 on April 07, 2019, 11:51:26 AM
Hi Glort, I`m afraid that we are going exactly down the route of pissing money up the wall. We have an upcoming federal election between the capitalist Liberal Party and the socialist Labour Party. The socialists are arguing for electric vehicle, while the capitalists are for fossil fuels.

I believe the socialists will win this election due to the back stabbing and in fighting that has occurred in the Liberal Party. So, after four years of the Liberals bringing the budget and national debt back under control, we will once again have a socialist government with a healthy looking national credit card they can use to shove their views down our throats.

The incoming Labour Government will implement legislation in favor of EV`s and outlawing ICE`s, this will be fine for city dwellers but have catastrophic effects on those of us who live in the bush. The bush will be filled with solar generation facilities, battery storage facilities and new power lines to keep the overpaid and unproductive city dwellers comfortable. Those of us who are lucky enough to live in unpolluted pristine countryside will be expected to put up with the outfall from electricity generation plants and clean up the mess left by solar/battery banks discarded by businesses that will quickly fail once the Labour government subsidies are removed after the next but one election.

My advice is to live as remotely as possible, build walls/fences around your property and buy a gun, I no longer trust any of these politicians to look after my best interests, they are all too busy looking after their own interests and pork barreling to get votes. The alternative is to jump on the band wagon and screw the f*cked up system for all you can get out of it in the next four years, take every government subsidy you can get,  bank it and then stick two fingers up at the next election.

Bob
Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: ajaffa1 on April 07, 2019, 02:27:37 PM
Hey Glort, I am with you completely that the current mob of politicians are a waste of rations. Please don`t give up on trying to educate them. You are one of the last sensible voices on all the forums I visit. Do it for your children, at least on your death bed you will be able to say "I told you so"

Bob
Title: Re: Earth Hour
Post by: LowGear on April 07, 2019, 06:05:59 PM
I enjoy reading glort.  He saves me from reading the Trump doctrine each morning.  I know there's a great job waiting for you in Washington D.C. glort.  Incidentally, you're not suppose to know who the Koch brothers are.  A very stealth organization based on incredible petroleum profits of their forefathers. 

The strongest force for reduction in birth rate is wealth.  Increased wealth results in reduced population growth.  This is the phenomena that got Bill Gates labeled as a child hater and accused of poisonous inoculation programs.  Just when you think you're all the way down town Craziville you see another short cut to another part of town you didn't even know existed. 

I did pick up a prune tree and planted it this last week in celebration of Earth Day.  Thanks for the thread.  I may have apples from last year and the previous years planting as well.