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Title: More generator questions
Post by: Johndoh on October 22, 2018, 09:31:06 AM
Can anyone explain (in simple terms) what a bridging wire in the generator earth is and how to do it. I'd also like to find out the output of the alternator there is no labels or plates on it. I only have a multimeter. Thanks
Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: mike90045 on October 22, 2018, 04:54:41 PM
I can't tell you.   There are many variables. How is the load wiring set up?  Does the generator have a Earthing Bolt ? What does electrical code in your city specify ?  Is there an existing Earthing Rod connected to a electrical panel?

So many things, it's not simple. You don't want a hazard and you don't want a ground loop.
Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: BruceM on October 22, 2018, 05:23:55 PM
If the generator is to be powering circuits through the main circuit panel, the earth/safety ground connection should be there, at the panel, and connecting to the generator chassis. So your generator hookup would need a ground, a neutral and one or two hots. (Two if split phase).

Generally electrical codes try to avoid multipoint grounding and the ground loops that result.  Pity the same sound approach doesn't apply to the power co.

The safety issues of a transfer switch or other should be studied and considered. 
Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: Johndoh on October 22, 2018, 05:32:29 PM
I was reading somewhere that there should be a jumper cable between neutral and earth in the plug going into the generator if its connected to the house.
Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: BruceM on October 22, 2018, 06:11:16 PM
It is preferred/best to have the Neutral to Safety Ground (earth) connection done at only one point- at the main meter panel.   If you connect to a sub panel this becomes more clear- the sub has neutral and safety ground busses separate - so that there is only a single point connection of neutral to earth at the main meter panel.   

Normally the neutral is low enough voltage to not kill anyone, so people get sloppy about neutral to safety ground shorts and the average home usually has a few...which do often cause elevated ELF magnetic fields.  But done properly, the safety ground should never carry current unless clearing a fault (tripping breaker).  The rules of the electrical code attempt to provide this but there is a great deal of misunderstanding and sloppy work out there.

Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: Johndoh on October 22, 2018, 08:31:48 PM
It is preferred/best to have the Neutral to Safety Ground (earth) connection done at only one point- at the main meter panel.   If you connect to a sub panel this becomes more clear- the sub has neutral and safety ground busses separate - so that there is only a single point connection of neutral to earth at the main meter panel.   

Normally the neutral is low enough voltage to not kill anyone, so people get sloppy about neutral to safety ground shorts and the average home usually has a few...which do often cause elevated ELF magnetic fields.  But done properly, the safety ground should never carry current unless clearing a fault (tripping breaker).  The rules of the electrical code attempt to provide this but there is a great deal of misunderstanding and sloppy work out there.

And in simple terms? I really want to connect it to the house rather than running an extension cable through a window. If it's safe I'd leave it. BTW it's 230v system
Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: BruceM on October 22, 2018, 11:25:32 PM
Connect the neutral to your generator neutral, the panel ground to your chassis ground.

Do you have just a single phase 230V and neutral or two hot legs with 460V between them (aka split phase)? Just interested in power configurations around the world.

How are you switching between grid and generator supply for your generator backup circuits?
How sophisticated you get might depend on whether the wife might need to use it alone.
I think idiot-proofing and best safety are wise choices. 



Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: Johndoh on October 22, 2018, 11:43:16 PM
My connection to the house was wired by a retired electrician. In Ireland domestic power is 230 volt single phase and he was backfeeding power into the house until the generator started putting voltage between neutral and earth. I got another alternator its different brushless type and I don't want to connect it to the house if it's going to kill someone. It's going to cost me the best part of a grand to get a changeover switch and wiring installed and certified by a spark. I really only understand the engine side of power generation so legs and phases are beyond me. I would like that the wife could throw the changeover switch walk to the shed and press the starter on the generator. She had a few goes but she wouldn't remember to turn off the power at the meter so thats out of the question.
Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: glort on October 23, 2018, 12:44:12 AM

Tying Neutral to ground is a major no no here and strictly forbidden with anything.  It sounds bad practice to me anyway even though the power co's do it.
It's certainly not allowed to be done by the end user here.

I would just mimic the house wiring.  Neutral to Neutral, Live to live, earth to earth.  Here they would also want you to ground the genny frame with it's own ground rod rather than have any fault have to go all the way back to the box... which again to me makes sense.
 Is there a reason to do the wiring any other way and tie the neutral to ground?  I know it's done some places but does not sound right to me.

As far as the change over switch, I know there are automatic's  ( ATS) but I'm not sure if they would work the way you want.  To my knowledge when the mains power fails they switch to the generator to isolate the mains. I'm not sure they will switch if you still have power but they maybe able to be set up so they could.

With a simple 2 pole switch, you could have it in the mains box and wired so it's one or the other.  Mains or Generator power but never the 2.... which would cause a heck of a problem.... but only for a split second. If thats what you have and the mrs is running the genny while still connected to mains power, You could wire a warning light and an alarm so if the genny is running and the power connected, it activates as a reminder to turn off the mains.
Few ways you could do this but a simple 2 pole relay would probably be the simplest and easiest.

Just wire it to a couple of Car horns in the shed.... she won't forget again. :0)

Just to get it clear in my thick head again, you are doing this so at night you can change to the genny  when you are watching TV and just running a few lights to save some euro on your power bill?

If this is correct, I'd advise you do the maths on this.  Your power consumption and therefor savings will be very low as you are not drawing any current to speak of.  You might want to go and look at your meter at the time you'd start the genny and then again when you'd be going to bed and look how much power you have used. Do it over say a week to get a better averaged idea.

Work out what that costs you, I'm betting 1-2 Kwh from what you say, then divide that into the 1000 quid it's going to cost ( minimum)  and see how long that's going to take to repay.
Even if you are on .5 euro per KWH, that's 2000 hours of power.  If you use say 2 Kwh a night which sounds high for some lights and TV although youd probably have the fridge kick  in as well, then that's 1000 Days  it's going to take to BREAK EVEN, let alone get ahead. On 2000 hours there is oil changes and maintence on the Genny and I'll guarantee a break down or 2 of some kind that might only take a minor repair but if you can't do it or need a part...... So you might want to add another 100 days at least to that number. You have a second hand engine and alt so their life expectancy is a real unknown but 2000 hours plus is a decent amount of time and certainly not a given that the machinery will hold up.

All up you are already at 3 years or close by to even come near getting ahead. ..... and then to do that you are going out and changing switches and starting gennys in the feezing cold, pissing rain etc in the middle of winter which for me would grow old real effing fast. 
You probably earn next to nothing like the rest of the world on your money sitting in a bank but it just may be that you'd get a better return with your money  that way than investing in a change over switch to run a genny.

The other thing, and this is not coming Just from my pet bias, is to look at solar panels. If you have a spinny meter doing a bootleg setup with those will  put you a lot further in front.  To achieve the same savings in power per day you could probably go with 4-5 250W panels and generate more power than you'd use at night and therefor be in front.

The things will sit there and do their thing and you don't need to change the wiring or get anyone in, you don't need to go out and change  switches and start ( and turn off) generators and the Mrs does not have to remember to do anything.  You put them up and forget about them and they do their work.
Go check once a week to just make sure the inverter is ok as they will fall over in 5 years or so but probably a lot longer if you are under driving them on the panel side. I would guarantee you shitty weather or not, you WILL get a far better and infinitely easier return with panels that make a difference on your power bill than you would on a genny.

The other thing would be an off grid system with panels and batteries. You are not going to need a lot to satisfy the power you say you want and you could easy hard wire an inverter back to a couple of outlets in your house so those sockets were independent of the regular house wiring.  Benefit of this would be on sunny days you'd be able to run other loads as the panels would be taking the load in effect and not draining the batteries at all so you could have your cake  during the day and eat it at night off the reserve as well.
I know power is expensive BUT, pretty much without exception anywhere in the world, if you have mains power connected it's impossible to use a generator to make it cheaper yourself even with free fuel.

I DO mean to piss on your parade with this idea now and up front before you spend money you won't get back.
Seems to me 1000 euro+ upfront is a LOT to spend to save maybe 1 euro, at the wild outset, 2 euro a day and not a good investment of you money either way.  I know you would do all this and then say , Oh, the bill is really no different, we spent all that money and stuffing around for nothing.

If you are sold on the " romance" of this idea as we all get carried away with just wanting to do something from time to time, I'd HIGHLY recommend you Stick to the lead through the window for at least one billing Cycle and see how much you do save off the bill and more importantly, how motivated you are at the end of it to be going out and starting gennys and switching them off every night as well as fking round finding and prepping the fuel and servicing the machine. Do you have a reliable supply of WVO lined up yet or got any in reserve?  Not much point to all this if you find you can't get the fuel or you really don't like mucking round with it and if you think for a split second you can do anything but go backwards at 100 Mph using diesel, you would be very mistaken.

Might be that I'm a tight arse and am very careful before I spend Money, especially when the goal is as an investment to save it, but you might just be a bigger tight arse than me which makes a wise an informed decision to do this and spend the money even more important.    :laugh:
Wouldn't like to see you dissapointed and out of pocket because there were things you didn't realise and no one pointed them out to you.
Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: Johndoh on October 23, 2018, 01:12:20 AM
Glort it would probably never pay for itself as it would only be used during occasional power cuts. We wouldn't have more than 48 hours without power in a year unless there was a bad storm. I just like the idea of having power whilst my neighbours are sitting cold in the dark!
There's not enough sunlight here to justify fitting solar panels and in all honesty I could probably manage ok with a car alternator and an inverter a setup we talked about some time ago I could finish fixing up the LR1.

I have 4 steel rods each 3 feet in the ground and about a yard apart, I was thinking I could use this as an earth from the generator? The backfeed option is still available and we are a middle aged couple family all grown we tend to be at home or away together especially in the evenings/night.

Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: glort on October 23, 2018, 01:59:28 AM

If blackouts are all you want to address, ( we don't get nearly enough of them here to satisfy my generation proclivities  :( ) for 1000 quid I'd be sticking to the lead through the window.... but like I said, I'm a tightarse!
There is nothing like the morbid satisfaction of explaining to the neighbours why your lights are on and the rest of the street is in total darkness. An opportunity I haven't got to experience nearly enough.

Then again here, the guy next door would just pull out the generator he has in his caravan.... or go in there and watch TV and have a hot shower and be done with it all together.  :0)

The rods should be perfect for earthing.  I think 2 or 3 Ft in the ground is the standard here so they would have to be fine.
Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: dieselspanner on October 23, 2018, 07:14:29 AM
+1 for Bruce's point ref the wife!

A guy I met when I had a Dutch Barge added an inverter, on his boat, with strict instruction to his wife that only himself was allowed to plug into the shore (mains) power as it would be possible to backfeed the inverter was it not disconnected before hand.

After a couple of months with no problems they pull alongside and he announces he'll make a cup of tea. knowing he would fill the electric kettle and the swap out the inverter the Missus gave him a minute then plugged in the shore power cable.

Unfortunately he'd gone for a leak first.

The bang when the mains power blew the inverter was enough to soil his underwear apparently. the good news was that the toilet was at the other end of the boat from the said inverter.

I did as Glort suggested and fitted a second circuit for the inverter fed sockets, OK. it means pulling the plug out of the socket and putting it back in the mains fed one but it completely removes the possibility of a cock up of expensive, if not dangerous proportions.

Cheers
Stef
Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: Johndoh on October 23, 2018, 08:55:02 AM
Thanks guys I will earth the generator to the rods and call it done! Small high speed diesel was very cheap, even with the replacement alternator and I want to use the power it makes. If I'm going to be in charge of the main breaker switch then backfeeding should be safe enough? It's close to the house and kinda noisy with the window open but that's not a bad compromise. I might try to modify the air intake to quieten it down I need to get some information on doing it and again it has to be cheap. Glort if I remove the standard air filter and extend the pipe to the intake is that how it's done?
Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: glort on October 23, 2018, 09:38:43 AM

You could try it that way Paul. If you used the standard air box, I would try to have it on a flange to a much larger diameter pipe that will act like a Plenum and reduce the gas speed which will help quiet the intake noise.  You can also add a new muffler to the intake and stick the air box on the end of that.
Myself, I'd be looking for a larger car intake from a wreckers. They have a large airbox, a filter size you will never need to replace and often a lot of baffling to cut the noise down. Going oversize will always make a significant reduction in racket.

Is the machine housed in a shed?  If so, you could look at Building a box around the thing with a baffled intake and output for the cooling air and possibly direct the intake and exhaust to the far side of the building from the house. If you enclose the machine it a good idea to bring cold air in from outside the enclosure otherwise you are basically generating a heat loop by sucking hot air in and through the machine which will make it run hotter.

If it has electric start, you could also get a radio switch off fleabay and wire the thing up so you ( or the mrs) could just press a button and off the thing would go.
Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: Johndoh on October 23, 2018, 10:19:48 AM
So Glort do you think if the generator is earthed it's safe enough to connect to the house? I have some flexible pipes i can try on the air intake when I get the chance thanks for help and advice!
Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: glort on October 23, 2018, 01:10:42 PM

As I said, I don't know why the neutral and earth are ever Connected in some applications. I'm certainly not even in the same breath as an expert but it makes no sense to me. From my way of thinking, they are and should be all separate.

The main thing I have run gennys for as in most hours was an event trailer I had.  Used to go out mainly to Equine events and take pictures. In the trailer we had some servers, PC's and printers. In a tent we put at the back I ran up to 24 Small form factor computers with small 14" screens.
We took the pics, uploaded them to the servers and the PCs accessed the pics. We then printed out peoples orders whom selected them from the View stations or burnt them a CD.

The trailer had a caravan type plug and I just put the genny straight in that and earthed both the genny and the trailer with metal rods we drove ( or on occasion, tried to drive) into the ground.
Never gave any problems what so ever.

If the house is isolated from the mains then I don't see any reason it's not the same as a trailer.  Any short will be still grounded back at the genny and the active and neutral are separated. If you put an RCD on the genny then you are as protected as possible far as I know. A lot of gennys here used on work sites are required to have them because they make electrocution as near to impossible as you can get. You sure as hell can't tie the Neutral and ground together using them though as they would trip as soon as there was power.

I take it you are talking about powering the whole house and not just a powerboard through the window?
If so, how are you going to make the connection? With the transfer switch or with a Suicide cable?
I was only sitting out the back verandah thinking about that today.  I'll have to shut my solar down the next day or two as the reading is coming up and I'm getting 25Kwh ahead each day. I was thinking it would be good to run a lead to my neighbors place and give him a few weeks reduction in his power.  Then I was thinking how to do it?  No way I'd give anyone a live pinned cable and I was thinking about a lead/ plug design that would be safe either way. Obviously would have to have recessed connectors.

Other than us dodgy DIYers, no reason or market I can think of for such cables although may be handy in emergency situations such as this for powering a home from a genny. Then again, with the ignorance of most, You did that and you'd have people trying to switch on the clothes dryer, kettle and the AC at the same time because you would not be able to get it through their heads the power was limited not to mention the sense of entitlement you'd be dealing with in so many. 

The only way to really do this with any safety ( and you know my loathing of that word!) is to hard wire from the genny circuit back to the house with no plugs at all. You would want that transfer switch as well or to go through a DPDT relay that was activated when the mains was on and only dropped and connected the gen power when it was off. that would be a very sinple and cheap solution avoiding the expense of a transfer switch and the Mrs forgetting to shut the mains down.  Wouldn't stop the problem of running the genny unconnected but the alarm wired across the circuits I mentioned would.

If you are going through the lead through the window or a separate circuit, definitely no worries there as it's nothing different to the normal genny use.

Maybe someone else can confirm or caution but I can't see any problem at all matching the wiring of the genny to the house and grounding the Genny itself.  Put an RCD on the Genny and you have virtually eliminated any but the most unlikely of problems.
Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: Johndoh on October 24, 2018, 10:52:56 AM
I connected an electric kettle 2.2 kw hairdryer 1.6 kw voltage dropped to 217 volts and frequency to 49.8 thats way more than I will need so happiness abounds in the shed! I had a minor panic attack when the oil pressure light came on, turned out it was the switch I applied 60 psi and it stayed lit! I assume any low psi switch with the same thread will do.
Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: glort on October 24, 2018, 01:48:43 PM

At 117V, I'd say the thing probably had more to go. That's just taking up the slack really.
It's probably a 4 or more likley 5KW head but if 3.5 is all you need, better still!

With the oil pressure gauges you should be able to look them up.  I was looking for some a while back. There is a brand here, Tridon, and on their site they list all the switches they do the thread size, switching pressure and other info.  VERY handy info.
Other brands would probably have the same thing so look up what you have there.
Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: Johndoh on October 24, 2018, 03:54:25 PM
Sorry Glort FFS also means fat finger syndrome it was 217v
Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: glort on October 25, 2018, 01:23:34 AM

Didn't pay enough attention. Forgot you were 230, though it was from 120. Makes no difference really.

If it's running 220 ( 225 was it?) unloaded, then I still would say it had some reserve.  You will always get voltage drop under load, even on mains power.
Still within tolerance so good result.
Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: Johndoh on October 25, 2018, 09:59:52 PM

You could try it that way Paul. If you used the standard air box, I would try to have it on a flange to a much larger diameter pipe that will act like a Plenum and reduce the gas speed which will help quiet the intake noise.  You can also add a new muffler to the intake and stick the air box on the end of that.
Myself, I'd be looking for a larger car intake from a wreckers. They have a large airbox, a filter size you will never need to replace and often a lot of baffling to cut the noise down. Going oversize will always make a significant reduction in racket.

Is the machine housed in a shed?  If so, you could look at Building a box around the thing with a baffled intake and output for the cooling air and possibly direct the intake and exhaust to the far side of the building from the house. If you enclose the machine it a good idea to bring cold air in from outside the enclosure otherwise you are basically generating a heat loop by sucking hot air in and through the machine which will make it run hotter.

If it has electric start, you could also get a radio switch off fleabay and wire the thing up so you ( or the mrs) could just press a button and off the thing would go.

There isnt much room to attach anything to Glort, I have attached a photo of a yanmar air filter housing. If I remove the stock filter I could extend from the round inlet? I have a length of hose it was used to connect to a vacuum for woodworking tools but its serrated, would it make any difference?

Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: glort on October 25, 2018, 10:54:56 PM

This looks Different ( and a lot better!) than anything I have on my similar machines.
I would see how much noise is actually coming from this one before I did anything.  The way I do it is to take some rag and bundle it up then hold it over the inlet while the engine is running. It will draw through the rag and will only take a couple of seconds to hear if the thing gets quieter or not.

If here is a significant difference, There is something to be gained. If the difference is nil or close to it, doing bother.

Won't hurt to try the vac hose but make sure it's washed out from dust first.  I think I'd leave the OEM filter in there and just get something like a pod filter for the end of the hose. Can't have air too clean.
My 4WD has a twin filter system. That and 14L of engine oil in a 4L motor is why the engines in them are said to last forever.

I'll take the airbox off one of my engines of this type today and  have a look at the mounting on the engine to see what I can come up with.  I have never bothered trying to quieten the intake on these engines as the rest of them are so damn noisy anyway. I have blocked the exhaust and intake with them running and the mechanical clatter was still a racket to behold. The exhaust is pretty good actually.  Just duct that outside with a piece of pipe or flex tube and you'll be fine.

Is the genny near enough the house to need to be quietened?
Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: Johndoh on October 25, 2018, 11:54:48 PM
Hi Glort Genny is in the shed so it not too annoying to me anyway. I called with a mate today and he has a Lister Petter AC1 or AD1 I'm not sure which for 100 it needs fettled but its electric start and it has a sludge pump attached. I have no clear idea what a sludge pump is for but I reckon the engine is worth a punt. The guy with the Robin is impossible to get a straight answer from.
Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: glort on October 26, 2018, 03:21:23 AM

Sounds promising.  An AC1 would be perfect for driving a car alt to run an inverter from a battery.  Might be a bit underpowered for a  Gen head but would be a solid engine that would last forever.

You are going to end up like me, engines sitting round everywhere! Careful, it's a chronic and very hard to shake habit.
I have made some lowball offers on a few engine of late and satisfied when the sellers told me to Shove my off up my fundamental orifice.
Now the buggers are ALL getting back to me saying  " we haven't had any other interest, if you want it come get it.".
I feel a buying spree coming on.  A running 3 Cyl Kubota inline watercooled is a very hard thing to pass up for $200. I have been strong but my resolve is taking a beating.

I know what you mean with the sellers. It's always the biggest hurdle.  I am trying to buy a powered garden edger for the last few weeks. Negotiating the deal for less than half asking price was easy, Finding a time when these people are home has proved aggravating.  No, I am not going to drive across the city in peak hour traffic to get it. If you are never home weekends and can't leave the thing with a neighbour, I guess well just have to look for more suitable arrangements to out needs.....

Must not have had much interest, Now I get a message if I can make a time to collect they will be sure to be here when suits me.
Might end up owning it yet.

When you can't get straight answers and people are too quick to sell or start chasing you right off the bat, just pass. Don't let curiosity  get the better of you or fear set in you might be missing a good deal, Never happens. You only ever get your time wasted or screwed over.
The trick to buying used stuff is not finding a good deal, it's knowing when not to bother and waste your time and effort!
Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: Johndoh on October 26, 2018, 08:27:52 AM
I think I will get the little LP engine I have had an AD1 before not on a generator it had been on a concrete poker, i think it was direct injection too. It has a bell housing on the flywheel side so it could possibly be connected to an alternator directly? There appears to be a market for pumps too so the engine might come for free with a little bit of reselling.

The guy with the Robin is really vague about whether it makes power or why its not running correctly on the new carburettor. It also appears that he has a few machines for sale so he's not a greenhorn. Still the desire to buy stuff I don't need to do a job I have got well covered (generate power) is strong. I'm turning into a sole version of the "not for sale" brothers, 2 local guys that buy stuff and just keep it.  The wife seems to approve too she would be pleased to have me spend the winter in the shed so she can watch crap TV!
Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: glort on October 26, 2018, 03:14:08 PM
It has a bell housing on the flywheel side so it could possibly be connected to an alternator directly?

The only  types of couplings for generators I have seen  in that power range are the direct Type which are a tapered shaft on the engine usually with a long bolt running through the gen head into a tapped thread in the engine crankshaft, Pulleys and belts and a flanged spigot?stub shaft bolted to the flywheel with a belt of shaft drive.  Not familliar with anything running direct off the flywheel but there are lot of people far more experienced with these things than i am here.  just hard to imagine on a little engine.  I big multi litre, multi cylinder, multi ton engine more likley.



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The guy with the Robin is really vague about whether it makes power or why its not running correctly on the new carburettor. It also appears that he has a few machines for sale so he's not a greenhorn.

Sounds like the old " Untested" disclaimer of flea bay.  Umm, you only have to plug the bastard in to test it, why would you not do that so you can describe it as working and make more money unless you actually know it's stuffed and are covering your arse?

If he put a new carb on it and the things not right, there is a reason. A reason he well knows and a reason that costs too much to fix to be worth while.

Could be a whole bunch of things but they all stand a great chance of being too expensive to be worth fixing.

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Still the desire to buy stuff I don't need to do a job I have got well covered (generate power) is strong.

 Do not resist the Force young Paul! Resistance is Futile! You will come across bargains you can't pass up sooner or later so may as well concede to the forces you cannot control and be happy!

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I'm turning into a sole version of the "not for sale" brothers, 2 local guys that buy stuff and just keep it. 

I developed buying used solar panels into an art form.  Seemed a waste to ignore one of the very few talents I have so I just keep buying the things.
I DO sell them however and have been making a tidy profit as well.  Getting all my arrays changed over to 250's as standard and pulling off the older 190's to replace and sell. Usualy for more than I paid for the 250's .  I love it.

Mrs doesn't even complain about me buying them any more. just says " How much you think you will make on those? "
it's like when you get the ball rolling, you just don't want to stop when you know you can flog them and make money.

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The wife seems to approve too she would be pleased to have me spend the winter in the shed so she can watch crap TV!

Oh dear! You married one of those too. ?

My wife is a good woman, put up with me all these years and hasn't run off with a decent bloke yet.  Well if she has she was kind enough not to let me know about it and it wasn't for too long thats for sure cause she never is apart from me for more than one night.

The thing that in all honesty really worries me about her.... her addiction to moronic TV shows. One in particular.... must have been watching it 30 years now.  I'd like to say same old crap but it's not. it's at a level of stupid now that is aggravating to the extreme!
How she watches this makes me sincerely worry about the woman's intellect.

She says " come and sit down and watch it together with me. "

I tell her, I rather be Neutered by a Drunken Wombat with a rusty Stanley knife that watch that terrible rubbish.

She will then cause me further concern for the operation of her faculties by insisting " It isn't that bad".
Trust me my love, by comparison, it's the drunken Wombat with the rusty Stanley knife  which is the one that isn't that bad.   :embarassed:
Title: Re: More generator questions
Post by: Johndoh on October 26, 2018, 04:01:17 PM
There's a lot of soap operas on television here local, UK even Oz and US ones all dreadful. I like to watch history, CNN, old men in sheds etc but those type of programs are regarded as dull. Still regular cooked meals and a clean ironed shirt for church are good things to have!