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Title: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: Johndoh on September 23, 2018, 10:19:59 AM
Hi Chasingcars, and welcome to the forum where old guy like me hang out once we have stopped chasing girls, reading pornography and getting drunk.

So you have petrol Lister that will only run for about a minute. You have checked the fuel side of things and all is OK. A couple of things spring to mind the first is that a minute of running produces a lot of heat, especially in things like the valves. If the valve tappet clearance is too tight you will start to loose compression as the valves heat and grow in length. Second is faulty high tension lead that can also get warm and fail. Try starting it in the dark, if there is lightening running all over the HT lead replace it.

You don`t tell us which model of Lister petrol engine you have so it`s very difficult to provide any further advice at this time. Just a thought, if the fuel is gravity fed to a carburetor try unscrewing the fuel filler cap, some of these have a breather hole in them that can get blocked, any slight vacuum will prevent fuel flowing to the float chamber.

Bob

Bob I still like getting drunk!
P
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: ajaffa1 on September 23, 2018, 12:46:40 PM
Hey Jonhdoh, so do I occasionally, I also smoke too much (tobacco not weed). My doctor doesn`t approve of my doing either, keep telling him that giving up all the things I enjoy probably won`t make me live longer, it`ll just feel like longer cos I`m so miserable!  :laugh:

Bob
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: Johndoh on September 23, 2018, 01:27:30 PM
Hey Bob
I have been using an ecig for the last few years, different addiction but no coughing any more. I'm too old to chase girls and porno seems like instructions to me now and I already know what to do! So it's the shed some Jim Beam, country music and the music of old engines
Paul
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: ajaffa1 on September 23, 2018, 02:23:26 PM
Hey Paul, my Father told me years ago, that looking at porn would send me blind, He didn`t tell me that it would take nearly 60 years. It would be a shame to go blind having never seen some of the finer things in life.

I have looked at and even tried some of the vaporizing ecigs, trouble is I am addicted to Nicotine and the government in Australia has banned the sale of nicotine containing ecigs and vapors. I have a mate who has lung cancer and has given up tobacco products, he has to illegally import nicotine vapor liquid from New Zealand.

Just when you think you are making some progress there is always some government dick head to spoil it for us all!

Bob
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: glort on September 23, 2018, 03:43:54 PM
he has to illegally import nicotine vapor liquid from New Zealand.

I have to go to NZ again in November to shoot dancing girls.
IF you want, I can try to post you some Nicotine Juice. Just have to tell me exactly what it is as I have no clue.  I'll post it but won't try bringing it back with me. The way my luck goes, I'd get hauled aside, taken to a room and asked to drop my drawers and touch my toes while some bloke with a rubber glove...... Ugggh, doesn't bear thinking about!!

I did smuggle some Contraband last time I went.  Bought my boy back a Slingshot.  Disassembled the thing and split it up. The frame I disguised as a bit of camera gear, My daughter tied the rubber sling through the top of her shoes where it was in plain sight and the handle went in my wifes make up bag.
Not a problem but then again, NZ customs is about as switched on as the lady at the front of Kmart checking bags as people leave the store. 
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: dieselspanner on September 23, 2018, 08:42:09 PM
It's like when I turned up at the doctors for my annual inspection, completely knackered and unable to even touch my toes. I asked the Doc what the fudge was wrong with me and he said.........

'Remember the twenty years you hoped to gain through clean living, not smoking, avoiding alcohol and not letting excess sexual activity strain you body'?

i said 'Yep'

He said 'Well, this is them'...........

Cheers
Stef
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: mikenash on September 23, 2018, 09:48:17 PM
It's a bloody lottery, isn't it?

There's sort of a graph/curve/continuum thing with "Longevity" on one axis and "Quality of Life" on the other - and you can kinda have lots of either but not both . . . .

It's like the Maintenance Engineer's standard joke/response to customers:  You can have any two of "Good", "Cheap" and "Fast"  - as in: You can have a cheap job and it'll be fast, but it won't be good, or you can have a good job and we can do it fast - but it won't be cheap . . . .

Or, as I tell my service customers:  We charge $65 per hour for our engineers.  Or $100 per hour if the customer is watching.  Or $120 per hour if the customer is watching and helping . . .
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: mike90045 on September 23, 2018, 10:12:02 PM
eCig juice

Can cause cause the same sort of problems as Popcorn Lung, from the vapors condensing in your lungs.  It's pretty much like smoking, but without the carbon monoxide.
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: Johndoh on September 24, 2018, 09:45:35 AM
My sister-in-law a 20+ a day smoker keeps telling me how bad ecigs are. They may well cause problems I don't know but I will bet they are better than inhaling smoke. The two groups of people in Ireland that are the loudest anti ecig shouters are cigarette smokers and the smug git "i don't smoke so why would you" types along with the ex-smokers. God preserve me from born again Christians, reformed alcoholics and ex smokers there's no hoor like a reformed hoor!
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: glort on September 24, 2018, 11:16:03 AM

I had a quick look at this following Bob's heads up and saw a few sites saying the vapor was better.  A lot of the bad effects from smoking are the chemicals of combustion and additives such as those to keep the bunger from going out like roll yer own's do.  The statements from docs that have researched this is that while the vaping won't exactly add 20 years to your life expectancy, it's MUCH less harmful than tobacco  Ciggys.

I also saw Bob that it IS in fact legal to import the juice from NZ.  Quick search turned up a number of sites selling it to oz out of NZ. Apparently you can order up to 3 months worth at a time legally.
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: ajaffa1 on September 24, 2018, 01:24:22 PM
Very glad it is legal to import it from NZ cos that is what I have been doing for my neighbor with lung cancer. I order it for him online and pay using my PayPal account, he refunds me the money in cash which my Wife then goes and spends. No good turn ever goes unpunished!  :laugh:

The guy mixes up his own vapor medication, it`s a mixture of cannabis extract (which he grows himself) nicotine and industrial ethanol. He`s been sick for a long time and has had many rounds of Chemo, he must be in a lot of pain but he never complains and is always happy. Hat off to him for finding a way to stay positive and happy in a very difficult situation. (in his case it is hat on as all his hair fell out due to the Chemo)

My best advice is don`t smoke it`s expensive. Spend your money on wine, women and song, anything you have left you should waste on paying the bills.

Bob
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: glort on September 24, 2018, 04:18:43 PM

The guy mixes up his own vapor medication, it`s a mixture of cannabis extract (which he grows himself) nicotine and industrial ethanol.

Ethanol is Booze but " industrial" ethanol sound like something that could be roughly distilled ( or made from natural gas) with the tails still it it which are normally removed for drinking purposes.  These tails can be quite toxic.  Don't know much more than that, perhaps if they are present they burn off more harmlessly than if consumed as a fluid?


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He`s been sick for a long time and has had many rounds of Chemo, he must be in a lot of pain but he never complains and is always happy. Hat off to him for finding a way to stay positive and happy in a very difficult situation. (in his case it is hat on as all his hair fell out due to the Chemo)

I don't know how anyone could stay positive in a situation like that. better than me. I haven't got the guts and fortitude he clearly has.
One of my greatest fears is cancer. My mother in law died from it and I nursed my father in law with it for 12 Months till we lost him.
It is a truly cruel, evil and vile disease. If I ever get it, I won't be hanging round till it gets me. Those last stages are beyond description and a person would be better off bypassing them and going straight to the inevitable  for both themselves and their loved ones.

You are a bloody good man for helping him Bob. Doubly so in light of your own difficulties.

A friend once asked me to do family Pictures for a friend of theirs that had Cancer. Had to be put off a few times due to her taking ill then one day I got a call and he said if you are free, come now.  I did and we got some nice shots with her and the husband and her 2 Little boys, 10 and 8 yo.
They wore the clothes in the pics she had gone and bought for them to wear to her funeral. I'll never forget her telling me that and wondering how in hell she must have felt.

I edited the pics soon as we were done and printed them on mates high end printer. Mate had already got frames and we put a collection of prints together and put them on the table to show her as they would be on the wall.  She said they were beautiful but seemed quiet and dissappeard into the bathroom for a long while. When she came out I asked if the session had been too much for her?  I did it in record time because her boys could not have been more co-operative but I knew she was not well.
She hugged me and thanked me and said that was the last thing she had left on her list. She said she didn't think it would be able to get done but she loved the pictures and now she could die content knowing her boys would have nice pictures of them all together as a family.
I was the one in the bathroom for a while after she told me that.

On the way home she got very ill and her husband too her back to the hospital. She was gone the next morning. 
Took me months to get over that.  Never met this woman before but they all got to me severely and those little boys were the same age as when my brother and I lost our mother to a car accident and it brought stuff home again. Never realised how little we were till I saw them and hoped to hell things would pan out better for them than they did for me.

Someone heard about me doing this and contacted me to ask if I would be prepared to volunteer my services to others like that family and to also photograph still born babies with parents and siblings .
 Not a chance.  While I'd love to help those people and will forever feel a bastard for saying no, there is no way I have an ounce of what that would take. Once was more than enough. I know it was a nice thing I did but I don't have the balls or emotional strength to distance myself from it.  I'd end up completely out of my mind inside a few days seeing people go through that. How nurses and doctors do it, I have no idea.

I really wonder if there is a cure for cancer and the medical industry withholds it because there is more money in treatment than cure or prevention?
Sure a conspiracy theory, but I put nothing as being beyond possibility these days.
They have been at it a long time now and from what I have seen, little has changed in the treatment thereof.

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My best advice is don`t smoke it`s expensive.

Only time I smoke is when I'm on fire and I generally try to avoid that! :o
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: ajaffa1 on September 25, 2018, 12:50:32 AM
Hey Glort, yes it`s a vile disease, I know five people locally with it, two of them are mothers with young children. How their families will cope I have no idea.

Wouldn`t surprise me at all to find that there is a cure that is being withheld for financial reasons. The other problem is that there are really only four killer diseases left: cancer, heart disease, stroke and dementia. Any clinical trial of a successful cancer treatment will show an increased risk of dying from one of the other three diseases. Hence the new treatment will be labeled as causing heart disease, stroke or dementia and may be denied drug administration approval.

I watched my Aunt die of lymphoma, took twelve months. She was in a wonderful hospice near Cardiff, the staff were caring and managed to keep her pain free. I watched her put away a three course meal the day before she died, She was happy and chatty. The following day she was gone. Cancer doesn`t have to be scary or painfull.

Bob
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: BruceM on September 25, 2018, 01:25:02 AM
Bob, it's naive to think that everyone will do as well as your relative with morphine, though that's also the thought of young idiot MDs who haven't seen many painful deaths.  Liver cancer is almost always a gruesome, painful death, as with your liver shot, you can't handle the morphine.  Likewise anyone with any sort of liver disorder (common in MS). Many people can become utterly deranged on high levels of opiates, having terrifying halucinations yet still in pain.  Anyone with brain inflamation/infection will be in pain, as opiates increase spinal fluid pressure and thus increase the head pain.  (I'm in that group, and the MS-liver problems group.)  In some places, Hospice can use extreme measures and up the morphine until unconsciousness followed by death, but in others, this is not allowed or the staff is too afraid of repercussions. 

I am a fan of Hospice, they helped my Dad's ALS exit along though he was begging to go days before, but think that their toolset should be expanded way beyond Morphine, and that anyone should have the right to say "enough" at any time and be assisted with any and all means.  At present in the US, they are only allowed to opiate you to death, and sometimes that's a long, drawn out horror show.




Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: ajaffa1 on September 26, 2018, 12:16:40 AM
Hey BruceM, sorry to hear you are in the group for which morphine is less effective. There are alternative synthetic drugs now but I don`t know how effective or toxic they are.

In terminal patients it is common practice to slowly increase the opiate dose until it becomes lethal. This is legal as the prescribing physician can show the need for this level of pain relief, a nasty slow way to die.

A much kinder way and one practiced by doctors in my Father`s era, is to prescribe opiates and write "nil by mouth" on the patients chart. Opiates suppress thirst, a patient will usually die of dehydration within three days with out ever knowing they were thirsty.

Bob
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: BruceM on September 26, 2018, 01:43:05 AM
For a maximum of 2 days, Fentanyl does work for me, but by the second day the headache from increased spinal fluid pressure is so bad I'd rather tough it out without. None of the other opiates are tolerable at all.  High CBD pot (with only a tiny bit of THC) is much safer and works fairly well and helps me sleep.  I don't care for the THC (paranoia) but a tiny bit does help with depression, I'm markedly in a better mood the next day.  Alas, with regular use I get bad vertigo so can only use it a few times a month at most.

Modern medicine is pretty damn disappointing when you are forced to be a customer.


Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: ajaffa1 on September 26, 2018, 10:20:38 AM
Hey BruceM, my Wife suffers from idiopathic inter cranial hypertension (too mush spinal fluid). She suffered from vertigo, head aches and feeling like her eyes were going to pop out of her head. She has had a couple of lumber punctures to reduce the pressure. She has been OK for over five years since her last drain. Don`t know if this would help in your case, I hope it will, can`t hurt to ask your GP.

Bob
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: Johndoh on September 26, 2018, 09:13:04 PM
When I smoked cigarettes I only smoked after sex, I was on 10+ every day...
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: glort on September 26, 2018, 10:57:38 PM
When I smoked cigarettes I only smoked after sex, I was on 10+ every day...

You should try sex with a partner next time. Probably be able to cut down on your smoking but have more fun!   ;D
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: Johndoh on September 26, 2018, 11:50:12 PM
When I smoked cigarettes I only smoked after sex, I was on 10+ every day...

You should try sex with a partner next time. Probably be able to cut down on your smoking but have more fun!   ;D

Touche!
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: 32 coupe on September 27, 2018, 12:45:54 AM

Excellent

Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: ajaffa1 on September 27, 2018, 10:02:17 AM
Wow Glort, you don`t take any prisoners. Still laughing, sorry Johndoh.

Bob
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: Johndoh on September 27, 2018, 01:41:02 PM
Wow Glort, you don`t take any prisoners. Still laughing, sorry Johndoh.

Bob

Walked into it Bob!

Paul
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: ajaffa1 on September 27, 2018, 02:12:12 PM
Hey Paul, thanks for taking this so well, I`m sure it wasn`t personal but hell it was funny.

I suspect Glort may be in need of some appropriate pay back, keep your eyes and ears open!

Bob
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: glort on September 27, 2018, 02:26:56 PM

I reckon there would have to be a 1000 opportunities to stitch me up well and truly.  :embarassed:

Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: ajaffa1 on September 27, 2018, 02:57:56 PM
Hey Glort, I think you may have some coming your way but It`ll probably be a couple of days till folks stop laughing. In fairness I smoke a packet a day and don`t remember the last time I had sex, with myself ,the wife or anyone else. Then again I struggle to remember what I had for breakfast. I may have fathered a city full of kids and know nothing about it. Doubt that will stand up in court if CentreLink come after me.

Bob
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: Johndoh on September 27, 2018, 04:56:39 PM
Every road has a blind corner somewhere along it's length. I hope to be around one such corner when glort comes along clog buried into the carpet!
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: dax021 on September 28, 2018, 03:11:04 PM
Ah, so if sex between two people is called a "twosome" and sex between three people a "threesome"--------------now we know why people call Johndoh "handsome"  :D
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: ajaffa1 on September 29, 2018, 12:21:59 PM
Handsome John has a ring to it.

Think AdeV may have been right to move this thread. He might also be right to remove it before it gets out of hand. No pun intended.

Bob
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: Johndoh on September 29, 2018, 02:25:52 PM
I myself have a pretty thick skin plus  I know a little of what Glort is like he's actually the type of bloke I like to have a pint with, I'd maybe end up  using a shotgun to get him to buy his round.
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: Willw on September 29, 2018, 04:28:58 PM
Hi all, I'm late to the discussion but since I am newly suspected of having lymphoma I thought I would add my 2 cents as well.
After my brother died a few years ago following chemo and radiation due to stomach cancer I told myself if I ever faced cancer I would try a natural route. Not to bother you with too much detail of my medical history, I have been looking into Rick Simpson Oil on YouTube.
There are loads of testimonies of people healing themselves using this stuff from all sorts of cancer, usually they try it out of desperation after chemo and radiation have failed, they are pronounced stage 4 and sent home to die.
I sure do not intend to go the chemo and radiation route after what my brother went through, and as I told my pharmacist a couple of days ago, if cancer patients were convinced that eating dog poo would cure them, every dog on this island would have a group pf patients following it around. I think she finally got the picture of the level of desperation people feel when facing a gruesome death.
As for me, I will gladly choose Rick Simpson Oil every time over Chemo and dog poo:)
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: sirpedrosa on September 29, 2018, 04:49:13 PM
Guys, guys... helloooooooooooooo

I'm relying on your knowledge... please come back to earth.

I got a Petter and the 12/2 to get straigth.

you know too much to walk with gerontine discussions. what you know is worthless. Of course all machines have an end, including ours. Are not interested in passing this knowledge on to the younger ones? (since Monday I'm fifty).

Now  I'm here "on the left side of the moon" and I can not get the knowledge - globally - because www allowed strangers to become known, and even in some cases friends.

Do not you consider the value to have an older engine than I am and to be trying to get it back to life?

I also take tablets for hypertension, + 3 herniated discs, and anything else I still do not know yet.

I still know very little of listers and Petters compared to you. I need your precious help.

I'll stop writing to not steal the poet's license to Glort.

Cheers
Pedrosa
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: Johndoh on September 29, 2018, 08:46:41 PM
Guys, guys... helloooooooooooooo

I'm relying on your knowledge... please come back to earth.

I got a Petter and the 12/2 to get straigth.

you know too much to walk with gerontine discussions. what you know is worthless. Of course all machines have an end, including ours. Are not interested in passing this knowledge on to the younger ones? (since Monday I'm fifty).

Now  I'm here "on the left side of the moon" and I can not get the knowledge - globally - because www allowed strangers to become known, and even in some cases friends.

Do not you consider the value to have an older engine than I am and to be trying to get it back to life?

I also take tablets for hypertension, + 3 herniated discs, and anything else I still do not know yet.

I still know very little of listers and Petters compared to you. I need your precious help.

I'll stop writing to not steal the poet's license to Glort.

Cheers
Pedrosa

The manuals and information you are looking for are readily available you seem to want them for free thats very different from being unobtainable!
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: 38ac on September 29, 2018, 11:02:22 PM
Pedrosa, a lot of the people who can help you stop reading threads when they turn like thus one has,  which is most of them on here these days it seems. Only reason I am here is because I was curious why it got moved. If you care to start another thread asking for manuals I will be glad to tell you where to get them. That way maybe somebody in the future will benifit from thr information instead of it being given here among this crap.
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: sirpedrosa on September 29, 2018, 11:43:11 PM
Hi 38AC

Again you did not disappoint.

And again I repeat that I have had better expectations of the forum. If it does not serve to share information, then what will it serve?

And once again I have nothing to sell, neither manuals, and if I had it, it will already been in pdf to send the one that needed them.

I'll start that treath.

Kind regards
pedrosa
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: glort on September 30, 2018, 02:00:47 AM

Pedrosa,

I have read your numerous requests for manuals and the numerous answers you have been given of where to find them.
You appeared to have an attitude of self entitlement in thinking they should be handed to you, but I put that down to perhaps a language cultural difference. Clearly it IS an ingrained attitude of entitlement.
Now you pretty much come out and berate people for not giving you what you want in the manner you demand it. 

It seems to escape you that peoples help here or any other site is VOLUNTARY. You get it great, you don't, well there is no obligation on anyones part.
Do what the rest of us have to do and figure it out for yourself it you can't or are not prepared to find the info you want. It's called learning.

People here are generous and it's clear you have got the help people can provide but you seem to fail to recognise we are not all experts with infinite knowledge of every old bit of iron built. We don't all have the same specific engine you have sitting in our shed nor the manual for it.
If someone had what you wanted, I'm sure they would have given it to you by now just to shut you up if nothing else.  Repeatedly harping about it and now outright complaining, is not going to help you one bit.

There are probably less than 20 regulars here and we don't know everything. We talk about all sorts of things because we have a common interest but as a hobby, don't get to play with it every day so being a small audience with limited use of the specific subject matter, we share other things as well.
I think it works pretty good, others clearly don't but the alternative as far as I can see would be to stay subject specific and have the place die through lack of any participation. Others here have built Friendships through discussions of things other than engines and sharing problems, concerns and experiences and I for one think that's a great thing in itself.

YOU were the one that went off on the potato tangent in a thread but then you complain about others making non specific Forum subject discussions.
Understand there isn't enough of us here to make more than a post or 2 a week just about liters and associated engines.  There are places that are bigger and do so perhaps they would better serve your demanding and self entitled needs.

You HAVE been told on more than one occasion where to find the manual you want but have failed for one reason or another to help yourself.
If you are not prepared to put in your own effort, please don't come here bitching because others won't hand you things you want on a silver platter.  Clearly it's because they don't have what you keep harping for, but numerous people have tried to help you none the less with what they can and respond to every post you make. 

If you are not satisfied with that and it disappoints you, then perhaps you should find another place to participate and find the help you want in the manner you repeatedly demand.

Sorry to put it bluntly but I have sat back and said nothing for a while but now you start outright bitching and putting guilt trips on people, time you got a wake up call given you can't seem to figure this out for yourself either. 



Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: Willw on September 30, 2018, 02:48:48 AM
Now see what you did  :police:
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: glort on September 30, 2018, 06:22:14 AM
Now see what you did  :police:

Yes. I set myself up for a through roasting for calling a spade a spade.  I'm sure there will be a few who will salivate at that opportunity.
Ah well.


I am sorry to hear of your health concerns Will.  Cancer is my biggest fear. Not just for myself but my family. My wifes parents both died from it and that concerns me greatly. I have been through too much already, I'd rater go through it 10 times over than see her have to suffer it.  Hopefully not something I have to worry about with my Daughter but one of my son's mates had it when he was 16 so its not age exclusive but ongoing years do not seem to help.

I have often thought that If I were to get it I wouldn't want to go through the treatment either.  I nursed my father in law through it. Just when we and the docs thought it was beat, it flared up and went nuts. He prognosis went from having a pin prick on an xray to gone 6 weeks later.  I saw the indignity he went through for a year and the end result made a mockery of it. He would have been better off had he gone when they first discovered it when he was in a coma.  Not nice to say but I loved him dearly and for him, it would have spared him more pain and suffering than anyone like him should have had to bear.

If and likley when I get told, because I fully expect the worst ending to my time as has been the rest of my lifes history, I won't be Fking round in pain indignity and being a burden to others.  I'll get my shit in order and make my own dignified exit so those of my loved ones can get on with their lives not have me around ruining years for nothing.  Probably be better off without me now so getting out the way with something like that would be the only decent thing I could do for them.

I hope the alternative treatment if you are unlucky enough to need it works for you. I fully believe the approved medical treatment and a cure for cancer could be withheld because there is more in treating things the " approved" way than an alternative or a cure.  The fact billions around the world have been spent for decades on a cure but they have neither found one nor said it is incurable and keep looking makes me highly suspect.
I also think there is every chance these alternatives could work.  It only takes something with a naturally occurring chemical that a pharmaceutical solution may contain to do the same job.... probably with less or no side effects.  No money for Big biz in something you can buy off the supermarket shelf  so finding that as a cure would be a counter productive measure for a LOT of financial interests.

I was told last year that one of my Daughters rabbits had an incurable condition and should be put down. A search on the net found one single lady saying this is what I have done and found good Success. I followed what she said despite being virtually lambasted by some I got supplies off but the off the wall treatment worked textbook to what this lady said.
I know a rabbit and people are a world apart but the point is that just because a lot of people are programmed to believe something won't work does not make that belief a fact.  Far as I could find there is one woman in the world professing this treatment against EVERYONE else yet in my experience, what she said was infallible.  My Bunny lived where everyone else, the vet especially, had him written off.

Something may not work for everyone but lets face it, when they say nothing more we can do, there is nothing to loose and the world to gain.
Given the horror of the approved treatment, I think you are bloody smart to try the alternative first which again, I certainly hope you do not need to.

Let us know how you go mate. Some of us are more concerned about people than staying on a topic of a place we met them virtually if not personally.



Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: dieselspanner on September 30, 2018, 08:40:09 AM
Don't know about extracting the cash with a shotgun but you'd probably need one to get an Ocker to swallow anything decent like Guinness.....

Cheers
Stef
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: sirpedrosa on September 30, 2018, 09:04:43 AM

Now you pretty much come out and berate people for not giving you what you want in the manner you demand it. 

It seems to escape you that peoples help here or any other site is VOLUNTARY. You get it great, you don't, well there is no obligation on anyones part.
Do what the rest of us have to do and figure it out for yourself it you can't or are not prepared to find the info you want. It's called learning.

I apologize to everyone if I was misunderstood.

I do not want to force anyone to do anything. The notion I have of the forum is that anyone has more knowledge than I do.

I have no aspiration of arrogance at all.

Understand that the question of potatoes was to begin to adapt to the status quo of the forum, at least I wondered how to break the ice.

I wish a sunny Sunday for everyone.
Pedrosa
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: Johndoh on September 30, 2018, 10:16:24 AM
A forum is a means to exchange views and ideas and to discuss and debate issues relative to the members of that forum.  It's not a place where people go to simply answer questions or pass on literature it would be a very dull and short lived exercise if thats what it was. A lot of the time you dont need a manual for every job on a stationary they are basically the same so a Lister LD 1 manual will have enough information for you to work on an LD2 an SL1 or 2 etc. If you really need a manual "Internal Fire" has what you need for a small donation or become a supporter and download them all. There are also a few stationary engine sites that sell reprints of manuals for a small fee. To paraphrase Groucho Marx "i did answer your question i just didnt give you the answer you wanted"
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: sirpedrosa on September 30, 2018, 11:29:20 AM
Johndoh

Said that way I take my hat off...

BR
Pedrosa
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: glort on September 30, 2018, 02:17:03 PM
A lot of the time you dont need a manual for every job on a stationary they are basically the same so a Lister LD 1 manual will have enough information for you to work on an LD2 an SL1 or 2 etc.

I agree.
I was pulling lawn mower engines apart and rebuilding them before I was 12 Years old. Had to.  Lived with my grandmother and we did not have enough money to pay the repair place the money they quoted so it was work it out myself or cut the lawn with scissors. The parts we could afford so I pulled the thing apart, replaced what they told me I had to and put it back together. Worked fine for many years.
If a dumb kid can do it, an adult sure as hell ought to be able to with a simple engine.

Knowing the principal of operation and how the parts fit together on any engine which you pretty much need to know in any case, is more important than having a manual.

I'm certainly no mechanic but to me, the only thing you really need a manual for is knowing clearances and torque specs. Even then, I have put together a LOT of engines without knowing them as they are generally in the same sort of ball park and will run just fine " Close enough". In many cases, experienced people don't follow the numbers anyway having their own preferred settings. I know one engine I used to rebuild a lot of, I had my own numbers for bearing clearances and main cap torque, Head torque, rocker clearances,  Timing and points gap.
If I was rebuilding a Merlin, a Gnome or an Allison 250, I'd be using the specified settings without fail but for an old stationary engine..... Specs would have never been that consistent from the factory anyhow.

One would probably do better to pull an engine down taking lots of pictures as they went than relying on a manual which to many non engineers, can be very confusing in their exploded diagrams and drawings.
These days, taking pics on your phone and taking time as you go refitting something as soon as you take it off to teach yourself how it goes before you forget is far more educational than relying on a manual largely written for mechanics anyway.
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: Johndoh on September 30, 2018, 03:40:36 PM
Have to agree with Glort again (dammit) Most of those old engines were designed to be maintained by their owner an illiterate farmer/peasant/serf etc with few tools. They are well made and thats half the battle. You do get a feel for how tight a nut or bolt should be as a rule and tolerances aren't near as critical as what the purists tell you.

My first car was a Morris Oxford horrible car that required loads of things being done to it constantly. My second car was a Hillman Imp not a lot better but after 3 months of owning the imp I knew I could do a lot of my own maintenance and I still do. Cars have changed surprisingly little in real terms in the last 100 years especially the mechanical aspects. Diesel engines now have turbos inter-coolers common rails electronic injectors and ecu's  but its still a diesel engine.
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: Johndoh on September 30, 2018, 03:42:42 PM
Don't know about extracting the cash with a shotgun but you'd probably need one to get an Ocker to swallow anything decent like Guinness.....

Cheers
Stef

Stef, I had to look up Ocker thanks for the new word this forum is indeed educational! I drink bourbon myself!
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: sirpedrosa on September 30, 2018, 05:12:56 PM
my good fellwos

I'm an illiterate. period.

And from what I only remember I asked for manuals - luckily they will have the tolerances and torques - and torque values.  I asked for help and opinion. I even asked for an opinion on the design of the alignment of the CAV pump control rod - and no one answered.

I took the finger tight advice ... and then went to see how much lbs / ft was. An improvement...

I would like you to realize that we are certainly on different continents - not to mention countries - and i think you can realise that the price of a part for some can be a bargain, and for me it can be very costly since I have to import it - not to mention in the difference of the economic level between countries.

My friends, I even had great difficulty in buying imperial spanners, not to mention nuts, bolts and everything else whether of British origin.

Have some patience, I am not here to censor you, only to gain knowledge - so you want to convey it.

Have a nice day.
Pedrosa
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: glort on September 30, 2018, 05:29:34 PM

Cars have changed surprisingly little in real terms in the last 100 years especially the mechanical aspects.

I was only saying that to the mechanic that works for my father the other week when we were tearing an engine down to do the head gaskets.
I said to him, when you take away the electronics and wires, there is no difference between a modern car and a model T .
He said if we gave a mechanic from the model T days this engine as it sits here in parts and told him to put it back together, He would have no trouble and wouldn't have a clue it was from 100 years in the future.

Engines still have pistons thrashing up and down in bores, valves bouncing up and down and cam's, cranks and everything else just like they did in the early mass production vehicle days.  The only thing different now is they are as electronic as they are mechanical.
Take away the wires and the volts and nothing has changed.

If you look at cars over their development, Everything was pretty much done by the mid/ late '20's with the exception of electronics.
They had twin plugs per Cylinder, Turbos, superchargers, 4WD, electric, OHC, V8/10/12/ 16, 4 valve per cyl, variable cam timing, limited slip Diffs, Fuel injection, water injection, diesel, 4/5/6/8 speed gearboxes, automatic, turning headlights, disk brakes..... so it goes.

I had a W123 Merc as my first Veg car.In it's day, here in Oz it cost the same as a GOOD house.  Seemed an unreal price for a car. When you looked at the features compared to the local models, it took them another 30 years to offer the same things as a base model package.
4 wheel disks, 4 speed auto, power steering, 4 speaker stereo with cassette, self leveling suspention which is still not common, air con, fog lights, Independent suspension..... and so it went.

Most amazing thing about that car to me was in winter the heater was putting out solid warmth about 30 sec after you started the thing and the heater even after 2 min of running was blasting out enough heat to cook a leg of lamb like a fan forced oven.  :0)
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: Johndoh on September 30, 2018, 05:31:36 PM
So I went on ebay.co.uk and typed in imperial spanners set the destination country as Portugal and viola! loads of people selling imperial spanners and sockets and posting them to Portugal. It's the ebay international postage rate but it's not excessive at about 9.00 QED
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: glort on September 30, 2018, 05:35:03 PM

I'm an illiterate. period.

If you are illiterate, How are you posting and responding on a forum???
By the same token, How are you going to read the specs from an engine manual?

I don't get it?
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: sirpedrosa on September 30, 2018, 10:03:33 PM
Illiterate regarding stationary engines...

Please Glort, I think thats enough about kicking my ass.

Let's return to the main subject.

Have a nice week.
Pedrosa.
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: glort on October 01, 2018, 01:14:57 AM
Illiterate regarding stationary engines...

Please Glort, I think thats enough about kicking my ass.

Let's return to the main subject.

Have a nice week.
Pedrosa.

That one wasn't kicking your arse at all. Was a fair and genuine question in regards to what you wrote.
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: Willw on October 01, 2018, 02:01:41 AM
Glort: Thank you for your concern; I share your views regarding a cure and treatment for cancer.
I wish the best for you and all members here. I will let you know how it goes.
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: Johndoh on October 01, 2018, 08:30:52 AM
Willw I hope you get the best treatment you can get. My wife got a letter from the hospital on Friday the third in 3 years. She is on a list to see a  rheumatologist and every year they write to her to asking if she has recovered or had treatment somewhere else. You'd have to wonder what the record keeping is like, surely they would know if she had recovered or had treatment elsewhere? They require a reply within 7 days otherwise you lose your place on the list. Ireland is not a country you want to be in if you are unwell. 
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: glort on October 01, 2018, 10:09:06 AM

There is a LOT of complaint about hospitals here and I have no doubt the great majority of it is more than justified. The hospital system is like most, over run, piss poor managed by idiot and cluless admins and equally uncaring bean counters.

My own personal and thankfully limited experiences with the public health system and especially the people in it have been beyond reproach however.
Getting on for 10 years ago now, I was diagnosed with Diabetes.  Discovered completely by accident but the symptoms were clear.
For 3-4 years I saw different docs and went to clinics and all sorts of mucking around. I was going downhill rather than improving even though I was makeing a real effort to do things right.

My wife was talking to another Mother from my sons sports team and said her Husband had Diabetes too and went to the Diabetes Clinic at the local Hospital.  My wife rang them up and got me into an up coming  education session.  2x 2.5 Hour sessions over consecutive weeks then you come back and we have a look at you 1 on 1.   

I learned more in the first 30 Min I was there than all the other quacks had told in the years previous.   The " educator" there, a lady for whom I do not have enough words of appreciation, respect and gratitude, told me I was taking my tablets incorrectly. I said that was what I was told and she no you must be mistaken. These are specifically formulated to be taken like this.  I knew I was correct so I brought the boxes with the instructions printed on to the second session. The woman was mortified.  ran off and printed me all this literature showing when and how they were supposed to be taken and clearly I had been given the incorrect info.  She couldn't even figure out how the Chemist Didn't question the instructions as these things are clearly one  way and one way only.

She said don't change them till you see our specialist, I'm not medically qualified so I'll book you in to see him first.
Yeah, Pigs arse to that. Was clear she was 110% correct so I changed when I took the things from that day on.  I could feel the difference within 3 days. Same pills, same dosage, different time of day down my neck.  HUGE difference.
Within the 2 sessions they woke me up to a ton of stuff I had been incorrectly told. Some of it they sort of looked at me as if to say " You misunderstood" But my wife backed me up as she had been coming to most of my appointments with me. Fortunately I wasn't the only one and many of the other 20 people there said that was what they were told too.

They sent me to some of the in house specialists. Phsyc, dietitian, Diabetes Doc and some other lady like a physio.
They made me a different person.  My quality of life shot up 500%.  It was a miracle from my POV and a lot of it was just insight, understanding and information to know what was right and wrong and help myself.

I call that place to this day, " My lifesavers" and I mean that in the full gravity of the term.  I sent them a Card and a letter to the CEO of the Hospital telling him the incredible job these people were doing.

My diabetes Doc is no longer with them but I still see him. Although he is a fellow of the Diabetes association, written papers, come up with practices and procedures in the treatment and prevention of diabetes and has spoken around the world at more seminars and conventions than I have had hot breakfasts, he does not have the formal University qualification for that specialty. He's near retirement age now and just got interested in the field as a young medico and went from there.

The hospital got some new HR admin who went through everyone in the places records, found he wasn't qualified so they sacked him after 23 years there.
Brilliant!   ::)  Wouldn't want a man who has been recognised world wide for his outstanding work in the field work let loose on patients without the right piece of paper !  Better piss him off before he helps someone.... or writes another book that is required reading at Uni for the specialty!   ::)

I spose that was a blot in the hospitals copy book but didn't matter to me or a lot of his other patients.

He also happens to own his own medical Center up in the mountains. He specialises in Diabetes there but has a dozen other doctors working for him.
When he told me he was leaving I said yeah, I heard you got sacked. He said well yes, that was the upshot of it. I said you have your own practice don't you. He said yes, up in the mountains. I said great, would you consider taking on another patient there? He said you are going to go all the way up there? I said well you come down here and besides Andy, that's what Veg oil is for! ( referencing our discussions about me running my vehicle on used veg oil).

I have been seeing him up there for 5 or so years now. He's more like a mate than a doctor.  People often ask me, why do you travel so far? 
My answer is simple, I have faith in the guy and without that, they will never do me any good.  The other thing I point out is if I were to travel to the city to see someone no one would ever think twice about it but it would take me the same time to get there even though it's closer.
In booking another appointment one time I asked for a later time and told the girl I have a way to come. She looked and said oh, so you do.  I said yes, I used to see Andy at the hospital but they were too stupid to keep on a huge asset to the place so now I come here.
The other girl said you are not the only one, about 30 of his patients come here now. I said geez,  then paused and said, I'm surprised there aren't more!

Even though I don't go to the Hospital any more, the benefit I got from there will be life long. I very much doubt if I would still be here now without them. I couldn't go on the way I was and no one was making me any better. It was just one more dickhead after another that thought they had the answer but ultimately were be proved to be morons.
I'd put money on the real problem being they DID have the right piece of paper where as the guy that really fixed me, up does not. what he does have is a career long interest, experience and dedication to the specialty and that's clearly worth more than any 40 Yo qualification.

I have had tragic occasion to be involved with hospitals a couple of times over the last few years and they too have been brilliant.  I have no clue how these doctors and Nurses do what they do.  So many of them cried with us so it's not like they are untouched and hardened beyond feeling but the support they gave us and the manner in which they did it was beyond description or gratitude as well.
This was all public system but have had dealing with teh private system a couple of time with my wife and they are OK. Much more of an opposing experience. People are either brilliant or they are pathetic and need their backsides Kicked to the unemployment line.

If I had my way, everyone in the public system would all be getting double the money they are on and a shit load better conditions.
The system may be questionable, but the great majority of the people in it here are doing the most incredible job you could imagine.  When it comes down to it, I could not imagine a truly tougher workplace.

Physical is one thing, emotional is another level and these people by and large have to cope with both.

Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: Johndoh on October 01, 2018, 06:09:16 PM
my good fellwos

I'm an illiterate. period.

And from what I only remember I asked for manuals - luckily they will have the tolerances and torques - and torque values.  I asked for help and opinion. I even asked for an opinion on the design of the alignment of the CAV pump control rod - and no one answered.

I took the finger tight advice ... and then went to see how much lbs / ft was. An improvement...

I would like you to realize that we are certainly on different continents - not to mention countries - and i think you can realise that the price of a part for some can be a bargain, and for me it can be very costly since I have to import it - not to mention in the difference of the economic level between countries.

My friends, I even had great difficulty in buying imperial spanners, not to mention nuts, bolts and everything else whether of British origin.

Have some patience, I am not here to censor you, only to gain knowledge - so you want to convey it.

Have a nice day.
Pedrosa

Illiterate is the wrong word ,maybe agnostic is closer?
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: sirpedrosa on October 02, 2018, 12:51:48 PM
Hi Johndoh

Please, note that I only asked for help, I did not ask for adjectives.

Maybe that's why there are so few regulars.

BR
Pedrosa

Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: Johndoh on October 02, 2018, 02:41:15 PM
Hi Johndoh

Please, note that I only asked for help, I did not ask for adjectives.

Maybe that's why there are so few regulars.

BR
Pedrosa

I think that statement sums you up perfectly, an illiterate person complaining about adjectives. Agnostic means "without knowledge" BTW.
There are plenty of regulars on here they don't always post on every visit. Your idea of help still seems to be getting copies of engine manuals emailed to you gratis. That doesn't seem to be happening!
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: sirpedrosa on October 02, 2018, 03:22:18 PM
So I must be the one who walks with the right step...

Give me a break!
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: Johndoh on October 02, 2018, 09:23:21 PM
What kind of break? arm leg or neck?
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: glort on October 02, 2018, 10:10:03 PM

Enough Already!
You just don't know when to quit do you?  Johndoh was trying to help and in fact defend you and you go off on another tantrum and throw his goodwill gesture back in his face. 
Grow Up! You are like a spoilt child that needs their arse kicked.  Obviously once wasn't enough to wake you up to revise your behavior.
 
How about you give us a break from your constant whining and "poor me" attitude??
 You sure demonstrate the behavior and disposition which has formed my negative opinion about cops. I can Imagine the power trip you must be on with the people you deal with in your work. Maybe because you don't have any power over anyone here to make them do what you want is why you have such a problem fitting in?

Hi Johndoh

Please, note that I only asked for help, I did not ask for adjectives.

You asked for manuals, over and over and over as well as information you needed, repeatedly Like it was the duty of people here to take their time to fulfill your demands then you berated people when you didn't get what you wanted.
Take a table spoon of cement and harden the Fk up already!

Johndoh WAS trying to help you! Lord knows, you could well use the help he offered if you got off your high horse, dropped the attitude and learned from it.
You got a manual, you got told where to find the ones people here didn't have, multiple times, rejected that help, and now keep sooking like a child and bringing up you didn't get other manuals you wanted at every opportunity. TOUGH! This isn't a free library obligated to serve your every want and desire.
 You were told where to get what you wanted but refused that advise and to help yourself.

If you can't even use your own initiative to source a manual, which you don't really need anyway, good luck when it comes to sourcing parts for these things!

As sad as it is, I went through all your posts so far here and came up with some stats on the "Help" you have asked for.

Manuals:
Asked for 12/2 manual 3 Times. Received it within hours.
Asked for Petter manual 9 times
Asked for Bryce manual 6 times

Asked for torque settings 5 times
Misc info 5 times.

66 posts at this point. In other words, almost half your posts have been wanting things from people you now berate and a good few now have been complaining because you didn't get what you wanted from people whom obviously don't have it.

Your " asking" for help has long since past. The endless reminders of what you want and then complaining for not getting it puts you well into the DEMANDING category.

You constantly want the help of others, but what help have YOU given anyone in your time here so far??

Can you not understand that we are a limited group and repeatedly asking for something no one has, is useless to you and bores the shit out of everyone else, especially when you then complain and berate the people of the forum for not giving you what they obviously DON'T have?

Quote

Maybe that's why there are so few regulars.

BR
Pedrosa

Because Johny come latleys that have CONTRIBUTED NOTHING  keep complaining about not being able to take away what they wanted from people they should have been able to figure out do not have what they want to give them in the first place?
 No, I don't think that is it at all.
Those types of whingers only come along on occasion and then soon piss off sooking everyone else is at fault and they are hard done by.

If you don't like it here and are not getting the help you want, then don't come back crying like a spoilt brat all the time and insulting people with your inferences. 
Go ask for help and complain elsewhere if this place does not adequately cater to your self serving needs.
 Or have you alienated and insulted people on all the other forums with your constant harping and self centered attitude so they don't want you there either?    ::)
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: Johndoh on October 02, 2018, 10:28:46 PM
Glort I will defer to your seniority on this site as well as your vocabulary on this matter. All the words I have left start with F and W!
Title: Re: Smoking/Ecigs (split from: Losing the will .....)
Post by: sirpedrosa on October 03, 2018, 01:30:38 AM
Mr. Glort

it's not worth getting red with anger! spare your heart for better things.

you seem to have a good fall for statistics, I didn't knew that I participated so much.

I also noticed that the forum is cannibalized - that is, I am the biggest in my neighborhood, but I live alone.

You do not know me from anywhere. Do not adjective. Keep the high level.

The 66 posts, was only to get to junior member status (lol).

I could not read anymore ... it's too long, and too low for my gray hair.

In fact this forum is becoming deserted, by making judgments of character when you do not know people from anywhere - even knowing they have good intention!

Do not worry about johndoh he knows how to defend himself well ... he does not need a tutor (from my point of view).

By the way Glort do you need any help with anything, and that is within my reach?

Encourage that life is two days.

BR
VP