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Title: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on August 16, 2018, 12:51:38 AM
Greetings my good fellows

I'm starting this new  thread here because I did not find another more precise to make known the progress of this new project.

I took this afternoon to see if my "new" PAZ1 could be resurrected.

The bad news: fuel tank with a huge hole.

To do: disassemble the fuel line; improvise a temporary line (see photo - final version); bleed (+320 crank turns) the bubbles never stopped ... and finally it is alive.
Next step: disassembly, sandblasting, straightening plates, primer and paint.

Difficulties today: lack of English spanners. Once more improvising.

I'll post the project advance.

Best regards to all
Pedrosa

Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on August 16, 2018, 01:05:48 AM
At some point I realized that transpiration wasn't enough to fulfil the task, therefore I took a break to inspiration (see foto). Please note the important is that I cannibalized my 10 year ago hidrolizer project, because it has the BSP right to fit the injection pump.
Fell free to watch the video.https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dhZgPIi0LQkGf44bzjQNN_2lnCSRJu4g/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dhZgPIi0LQkGf44bzjQNN_2lnCSRJu4g/view?usp=sharing)

See you later.
Pedrosa
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: Willw on August 16, 2018, 02:37:12 PM
Welcome sirpedrosa, and congratulations on the new project; considering it's age I would call it in great original condition.

I too am a fan of the PAZ1, and it is certainly in better condition than any of the ones I have, especially the sheet metal and fuel tank.

What are you planning on installing it on?
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on August 16, 2018, 10:49:58 PM
Hi  Willw

By now it's only to make it pretty. After i'll figure something to it to run.

This afternoon I changed the oil - there was some sludge in the bottom of sump.

3 lts (metric conversion) of good mineral oil and it runs smoother.

I want to strip it down, but i need the workshop manual. I all ready ask help with this task.

Please, if you have it in pdf format, send it.

Best regards
Pedrosa
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on August 21, 2018, 11:52:07 PM
Greetings Everyone

Can someone share the PAZ1 workshop manual? Please.

BR
Pedrosa
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on September 12, 2018, 09:19:44 AM
Greetings Everyone

Another good question for the comunity: does anyone know how much tightening torque of the "delivery pipe connetion"

(http://injectionpumps.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Bryce-Single-Cylinder-Injection-Pump-Diagram.jpg)

BR
Pedrosa
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: mike90045 on September 12, 2018, 09:16:29 PM
NOT very tight if it's a flare fitting .   

A compression fitting with ferrule is not as reliable. Ferrules can never be reused once they have been compressed

Finger tight, and then just a tiny bit more.  The shape of the fitting is what seals, not the torque of the nut.  Too tight and you ruin the fitting.

Again, it's the shape of the metal-metal interface that seals, not jamming the nut on super tight.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flare_fitting
https://www.copper.org/applications/plumbing/cth/cth_8flrdjts.html
The IP creates high pressure, much like brakes in a automobile.   
Steel brake lines also use this sort of fitting, but since it's harder steel, it's more difficult for DIY at home, often it's easier/safer/reliable to but the pre-shaped line.
https://www.hoseandfittingsetc.com/our-blog/bid/76614/Brake-Line-Fitting-Identification-How-to
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on September 12, 2018, 09:53:07 PM
Hi Mike90045

Many thnks for reply, but is not that torque I mean. It's the (20) tighten in the body (1). It took some strength to unscrew it, I say quite a bit.

the body BRYCE is Aluminium.

Now I need the toque limit to tight.

BR
VPedrosa
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on September 16, 2018, 11:13:45 PM
Greetings Everyone

Does anyone have the Bryce model NSDLA052D0359 injector manual?

Some help apreciated here.

Good week to all.
BR
Pedrosa
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on October 29, 2018, 06:06:28 PM
Updating...

Fuel pump rack extention - stop overload arrives from UK.

BR
VP
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on October 30, 2018, 08:39:06 PM
Updating pile...
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on November 24, 2018, 01:02:02 PM
Greetings Everyone

the air filter holder has gained a new nut

Good weekend to all.
BR
Pedrosa
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project 2
Post by: sirpedrosa on December 02, 2018, 04:15:10 PM
Hi Everyone

I saw a good deal (for parts) on the net of another PAZ1 - and I buyed it (same price of first, but lacking starting handle and exaust silencer, but... better fan housing, fuel tank, piping and a double V pulley)

Some cleaning, new oil, bledding, a dozen o crank turns and it fireed up.

Now I'm this cross, I want to go with both along - but this one when it reach the "normal" duty RPM starts to shake.

Good advice will be very aprecciate.

BR
VP
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: dax021 on December 02, 2018, 06:46:15 PM
I'm reading an interesting book at the moment about the British aircraft industry from 1945 till the mid 60's when it was basically  finished, lost the plot.  The Petter family, who made your engine apparantly also started the Westland Helicopter company.  Teddy Petter became English Electric's chief designer, and was pretty much totally responsible for designing the English Electric Lightning, one of Britain's most successful planes of all time.  Can't remember offhand, but from take off to 50 000ft took something like 2 minutes.  Could only stay airborn for 40 minutes, then needed to find a tanker or land fast.
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on December 02, 2018, 09:42:17 PM
Hi Dax021

I had made some digging on Petter's history, and there are several inventors and engeniers that made some spinoffs to their first company.

As you see Lister has clones in India, and so on. It's the price of time.

BR
VP
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: dax021 on December 04, 2018, 08:22:42 AM
Correction to my earlier post.  The Lightning would take 2 minutes from "brakes off" to 40 000ft using full afterburners, then only had 15 minutes of fuel left
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on December 04, 2018, 12:01:58 PM
Hi Dax021

Amazing, what a great machine.

For now, my real concern is my little PAZ1, which I want give it a nive overhaul and to make it work well.

Br
VP
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on December 11, 2018, 08:42:52 PM
Hi Everyone

I need some help finding this parts, for PAZ1:
Fuel tank cap;
Coopers fuel filter bowl.

Thanks in advance.
VP
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: ajaffa1 on December 12, 2018, 08:25:18 AM
Hi Pedrosa, try this. not a perfect replacement and a bit expensive: https://www.stationaryengineparts.com/Cartridge-Fuel-Filter-Assembly-Late-Type.html

Bob
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on December 12, 2018, 08:31:21 AM
Hi Bob

Good to hear from you.

That part is a long time ago out of stock, and I subscribed for 'Back-in-stock' notification also. There is a similar on https://www.heating-parts.co.uk/EOGB-MINI-BOWL-FILTER-BIO-1-4-BSP-EQUIVALENT-TO-18489/product/231352/231352/

By now I want to spare as much as possible original parts.

Keep in touch.

Cheers
VP

Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: ajaffa1 on December 12, 2018, 08:45:07 AM
Hi Pedrosa, sorry to be out of contact for a while, been busy visiting doctors and trying to sue insurance companies.

You could look at second hand pneumatic lubricators, old ones have glass bowls and are designed for a rubber seal with a locking assembly externally. Stay away from modern lubricators which are made of poly carbonate and degrade with time.

Bob
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: dieselspanner on December 12, 2018, 09:38:56 AM
Hi Pedrosa

How about on of these?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SINGLE-WATER-SEPARATOR-ASSEMBLY-1-2UNF-FUEL-FILTER-GLASS-BOWL-WITH-DELPHI-HDF296/292041206904?epid=1269257951&hash=item43ff032c78:g:fnsAAOSw9GhYmcoe:rk:7:pf:0

It will keep the orginal look, they've been around for years, as a CAV 296, they can be a bit fiddly to change if they are in a tight location, for you that shouldn't be a problem.

Best of all the elements are one of the cheapest, less than 4 each if you shop around.

Cheers
Stef
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: ajaffa1 on December 12, 2018, 09:49:10 AM
Hi Guys, I agree with Stef this is a very good and common filter. I used them on all sorts of construction plant, very reliable and you can see when they start to clog up, what more could you ask for?

Bob
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on December 12, 2018, 11:43:57 AM
Hi Fellows

Me too, but.... if it is my very last option. I want to put value on the engine, and more like it was at it original condition the better.

So, I thank you all for the support, and all advices.

Cheers
VP
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on December 23, 2018, 12:51:13 AM
Hi Everyone

Winter has arrived, the cold holds up better than the rain.

I want to wish, first of all, a good Christmas to all.

Regarding the fuel tank cap, and filter bowl, Jim Perkins has been the best and just already sent it (did you know that the oldest partnership in the world is between Portugal and GB, with Port wine?)

Now at the time of a Petter, there are two, which one was for parts (no compression, when I bought it, maybe carbon in valve seat), but as after a vapors of wd40, new oil, bleed, half a dozen turns of crank and started well - only upon reaching the rotations of work was beginning to vibrate.

Dismanteling the big end is badly scored. See attach... and the measurements taken.

Only fly wheel left... I have do make a gibkey puller... I already made a 17/32 from a 13 spanner.

The muffler was missing, but one was already ordered from Station.Eng. Parts, UK, and I have to buy a crank for this, which also did not have ...

The younger one needs more work... fan casing needs welding, fuel tank needs welding... and metal

Things are going... no need to rush.

The Lister 12/2... I have to go get the block out of the shack, and proceed with the repair ... will take some copper ...


Cheers to all
VP
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on December 23, 2018, 12:53:00 AM
Main journal looks very good.

The measurements taken:
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: dieselspanner on December 23, 2018, 08:06:23 AM
Good luck with the project, keep posting as you progress.

Cheers
Stef
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on December 24, 2018, 12:24:13 PM
Hi Everyone

Just an Update: One more pair of sheels to buy (there it goes two bottles for the white metal). Thoses ones are 030U/S.

So far pistons and cylinders are clean, with no major out bound clearences...

Pull out flywhells seems to be the harder task. After that a good clean, primer, paint and put all back again.

Marry Christmas
VP

Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: ajaffa1 on December 26, 2018, 10:50:47 AM
Hi Pedrosa and Merry Christmas to you and your family.

I`ve seen much worse damage to bearing shells than yours. When you can see the copper plating under the white metal you need to start worrying. I think all will be fine.

Bob
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on January 28, 2019, 02:20:39 AM
Hi Everyone

just to make life proof!
The winter is not so wintry, we already have hot sun.

The repairs of the village - the old men do not ask only give orders, and we are here to fulfill them.

2 electric pumps (Italian !!!) to repair.
1 atrophied Chinese generator, and 2 Petter's waiting for D-Day.
The selected metals (lol) for recycling ...
The hardware laboratory;
...
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on January 28, 2019, 02:22:35 AM
...
The BOINC cluster ... has a 486 DX2! (to relocate).
A petter handle already with enamel ..
The mechanic's desk ... This is the work in progress; (The lister 12/2 is not forgotten).

For Butch and Bob, a candy to say what this is. (a clue: it has to be done before proceeding to the next stage of the works, and the threaded rods are steel 8,8 - pic 4)

...
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on January 28, 2019, 02:23:08 AM
...
The white board, and yes, it's really 1:17: Good morning, Australia.

And for now I do not bother you anymore.
Have a good week.

Cheers
VP

PS: Jim Perkins had been a very good fellow... send already the stuf I needed.
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: ajaffa1 on January 28, 2019, 07:18:55 AM
Hi Pedrosa, I`m guessing you are building some sort of trolley to make your Petter more mobile, let us know how you get on, are you going to put wheels on it?

Bob
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on January 28, 2019, 09:14:55 AM
Hi Bob

Good to ear from you.

Trolleys will be done later, for now its a homemade hydraulic press made with a 5 ton bottle jack.

We are also waiting to see your CS smoking!

Cheers
VP

PS: and yes, I already bought the wheels, they came from Spain. here is the link: https://www.todocontenedores.com/producto/rueda-en-hierro-fundido-alta-resistencia-natural.html
They only transport in Spain. 16.33 +vat
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: ajaffa1 on January 28, 2019, 08:47:40 PM
Wow, love those wheels, brand new 8 inch cast iron wheels for about $25. I haven`t been able to find anything like that i Australia.

Bob
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on February 02, 2019, 10:03:50 PM
Hello people

For everything there is always a first time, and this time was the acetylene torch to make a large patch.

I had in mind that things do not always go the way we want ... but.

With the necessary care I made a few stitches to fix the patch, but from a certain point it began to buckle, and some holes in the time of closing ... opened more.

It was not very aesthetic, but the biggest problem was not getting it tight. The micro holes (with compressed air and detergent) never stopped.

Stays the experience - less one of red - and look for another tank that has no holes.

Well, there's the cap that was chrome-plated at zero cost.

Things are going ...

Cheers
VP
PS: The generator of my parents already snores.
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: AdeV on February 03, 2019, 02:03:26 PM
As a last resort with the tank, if you're down to a few pinholes which simply won't braze, you could try soft solder. Just be careful rubbing it back before paint in case you open them up again!

I once tried to braze an old petrol tank for my Vauxuhall Senator - well, Dad did, as he could braze, I've never tried. It was all going OK-ish, except the water in the tank was sucking the heat away so fast we were struggling to get the braze to stick; accidentally let the water level go too low and Poof! Tank expanded like a balloon, and the flame out of the filler neck burnt a perfectly circular hole in Dad's jumper!  :laugh: :laugh: We were lucky it wasn't any worse... the tank was toast, though; not only was it now severely misshapen, but the explosion opened up about a million new little holes... Had to buy a new tank!
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: dieselspanner on February 03, 2019, 05:05:39 PM
To save the eyebrows there are several products like this available....

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/POR15-Fuel-Car-Bike-Tank-Repair-Sealer-8oz-Fuel-Tank-S201/302310635103?epid=648783513&hash=item46631e365f:g:cCIAAOSw5cRZEYnc:rk:1:pf:1&frcectupt=true


Cheers
Stef
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: BruceM on February 03, 2019, 06:56:10 PM
JBweld (putty or regular) or steel filled epoxy of other brands is also effective and durable.
The tank for my CS is a 15 gallon drum with JBwelded fittings, ABS filler neck. 10 years of bio and dino diesel so far.  JBweld is only used as a filler/sealer for mechanically secure bulkhead type plumbing on the wet (bottom) fittings.  Tacky but it does work reliably.


 
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on February 06, 2019, 10:05:06 AM
Hi Everyone

Just updating the hidr. press task...

Have a nice day.
VP
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on February 07, 2019, 01:19:36 AM
Hi Everyone

A coat of rust converter to look nice...

I'm not sure if I should add another half a meter and make a few legs and wide feet, or if I leave it small to work on the bench. Anyone want to give an opinion?

Note: I will leave only 25 ~ 30 cm tall useful for work.

All the best
VP
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: dieselspanner on February 07, 2019, 07:03:56 AM
I would leave it as it is. you don't need to use it every day, so most of the time it will be in the way, particularly if you have a small workshop - like most on here, Butch, Ed Dee you know who you are!

I would consider making a fixing on the bench so that it can be quickly mounted, firmly, for use and leave it at that. Doubtless, in the future you'll be modifying it for a one off task anyway!

Cheers
Stef
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on February 07, 2019, 10:52:35 AM
Hi Stef

Thanks for your reply.

My bench is small, and fixing it will turn it smaller - and you are right, I don't need to use it every day.

I'll give it a corner in the shop to showoff the emanel...

All the best
VP
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: Johndoh on February 08, 2019, 09:25:09 PM
What size are the threaded rods? I don;t think they will be able to take a lot of pressure. It would be more reliable as a box shape with an adjustable bed I'd have thought. Just my 2 bobs worth
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: dieselspanner on February 08, 2019, 10:10:30 PM
There are 4 'rods', assuming they are only 16mm, the nominal working load, in tension, is around 800 kg each, multiply by 4 = 3.2 tonnes safe working load, they ain't going to get broke by that 5 tonne Chinese jack, even allowing for uneven loading.

If there's a bigger jack involved only one will let go, after it's bounced off the ceiling there won't be too much drama! re drill for 20mm studding and try again.....

Cheers
Stef

Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on February 08, 2019, 10:48:00 PM
Hi JD

16mm 8.8 steel.

is just to remove valve guides and bushes, bearings - nothing that needs brute force.

it's just a 5-ton jack, if I need more, I'm going to a bigger workshop.

For now it will do just fine.

BR
VP

PS: Stef got the picture. Stef, it's 8.8 steel rods... and the ceiling over the bench is 1,9m on top is a cement floor where I throw materials, and other stuffs ... and where I keep the pieces already painted and wrapped up so they do not get damaged. So no drama at all!
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: Johndoh on February 09, 2019, 04:10:48 PM
Fair enough, it's quite an interesting looking machine. I tend to over engineer everything I make, belt, braces and a bit extra.
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: dieselspanner on February 09, 2019, 08:59:45 PM
Belt, braces, and a bit of string,
Any doubt left, add a safety pin.

Having had a large portion of my career at sea, the word 'preventer' is never very far from my mind when setting up something that is going to cause me untold grief when I cock it up in my usual cavalier fashion.

NASA came up with 'fail safe' and 'fail soft' quite a few years back, deep sea sailors had been doing it for centuries.

And I've still got most of all of my fingers......

Cheers
Stef
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on February 24, 2019, 11:19:32 PM
Hi Everyone

Finally the hydraulic press gained legs and feet.

All that remains is to fix the top of jack, and the extractor stud.

I preferred to give it legs to stand in a corner of the workshop, and also to get more height so I could work (I'm not getting younger).

Opinions are wellcome!

Cheers
VP

PS: Cotiemme engine of the reaper is striped and bathing...
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: dieselspanner on February 25, 2019, 07:10:14 AM
Nice work, SP.

I've all the bits to make one for myself, all I need is some time.......

Cheers
stef
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: ajaffa1 on February 25, 2019, 08:51:08 AM
Very nice work Pedrosa, I do miss having access to a hydraulic press, it makes light work of even the toughest bushes. We also had a full set of broaches with which to cut key ways in pulleys or gears. I do miss having the tools even if I can`t use them anymore.

Bob
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: Johndoh on February 27, 2019, 12:03:17 AM
VERY impressive I'd like that myself. Very well done
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on February 27, 2019, 01:04:40 AM
Hello everyone

Let me then publish the recipe:
Hydraulic jacks> = 5ton.
50cm UPN/E 140 (table);
50cm UPN/E 120 (top);
43cm UPN/E 100 (crosspiece to fix the jack, adjust the measurement when necessary);
4 * 10cm of tube 20mm for the guides of the crosspiece (attention to the tolerances in the drilling of the beams);
2 * 6,5cm in steel L 45mm / 50mm, to fix the crosspiece to the guides;
140cm in steel L 45mm / 40mm for the shelf (50 * 20cm), works like the knees of the legs, and serves to have brass and the various push rods);
2 * 50cm in steel L 45mm / 50mm for foot locking;
2 * 50cm UPN/E 65 ... 80, for the feet;
4 threaded rods of 16mm, steel 8.8, for the press;
2 * 16mm threaded rods, 4.8 steel (normal), to cut in half and make the legs;
8 unions 16mm, 4 to join the rods and 4 to the table;
N 16mm washers;
28 to 32, 16mm nuts;
12 cm of 40mm steel rod for the extractor, turned and with 8mm thread for screwing in the crosspiece, underneath the jack;
2 or 4 springs to raise the crossbar with the jack, with 2 hooks to the top;
N 6mm bolts and nuts to fix the guides on the crossbar, and the fixing of the springs on the guides;
3 * (10cm * 5cm * 3mm) of steel plate to fix the top jack head, or other such invention;

Attention that the welds can shrink the measurements between guides!

Then just paint ...

My drilling was centered at 45cm * 6.5cm, but be aware that it was due to material limitations, because the steel was seized from debris that went to the scrap.

For imperial measures adapt ...

have a good job.

Cheers.
VP
PS: the idea was taken from the net, but it works!
PS2: the table can be lowered or raised as required.
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on March 04, 2019, 11:31:49 PM
Hi Everyone

I hope everyone is healthy, especially Bob, who is a concern among us.

The hydraulic press is made, there is already the shelf and the extractor pin, and I have already inserted the valve guides into the Petter's head.

The engine of the reaper is already in the closing phase, and the critical phase only highlights the fine tuning of the valves tappets, to get the correct gap.

Good week.
BR
VP

Ps:the pull pin has a 5cm extender, which can be inserted between the crosspiece and the pin.
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on April 13, 2019, 11:56:12 PM
Hello everyone

Finally we have some developments in dismantling the Petter's - I'll say more that it's a step ahead and a step and a half back.

Made the conical wedge to remove the gibkeys, one gib broke, and the other took off well.

"If you don't own a dog, catches with a cat" - it was improvised a fly wheel puller with a bottle jack. It is not easy ...

Let me see how things go.

Cheers
VP
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: dieselspanner on April 14, 2019, 02:12:31 PM
That's how I got the flywheels off my CS, only I used chain rather than studding.

I'ts amazing what you can do with a cat, if you don't have a dog.....

Cheers
Stef
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on April 14, 2019, 05:57:39 PM
Hi Stef

It didn't move.

Now I'm following Jim Perkins's advice, I've removed the flywheel with the crankshaft, to drop end of crank on a concrete floor so this will allow flywheel mass to move... he said!

Let's see ... Meanwhile the sump and the oil pump is already clean.

Cheers
VP

PS: Now is time to trobleshoot dishwasher. Always something to entertain!
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: dieselspanner on April 15, 2019, 11:46:48 AM
I don't know if it will help, but you could try using 5% ATF (car steering fluid) in acetone as a penetrating fluid. I think I read about it on here.

Keep putting plenty on, load the 20 tonne jack up as much as you dare, and then pack ice around the shaft. keep hitting it with a hammer (not to hard, don't damage anything) as well.

Cheers
Stef
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on April 15, 2019, 11:54:22 AM
Hi Stef

It was soaked with ATF for mounths!

By now I think only pacience and brains, to prevent damage.

BR
VP
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: dax021 on April 15, 2019, 01:20:58 PM
50% ATF 50% Acetone
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: ajaffa1 on April 16, 2019, 12:57:36 PM
Hi VP, sorry not to have been in touch but I`ve been in hospital.
Stef is right, if you can cool the shaft and heat the flywheel it will come apart. You could mount it in your new hydraulic press. If all else fails you could buy a pipe freezing pack from you local plumbers store, this should get the shaft down to around minus 20 degrees centigrade. If that does not work, run a large bead of weld around the outside of the flywheel boss with an electric arc welder, do it both ends of the boss. You will have to grind the weld material off later but who cares how you got it off as long as it is off!

Bob
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on April 16, 2019, 09:48:47 PM
Hi Everyone

It's done... finally, like Jim Perkins said. And that piece of spring blade gave utility. And yes, I gave it some heat in the flywheel

Let's go up!

Cheers
VP
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: ajaffa1 on April 17, 2019, 12:39:50 AM
Well done VP, hope you didn`t damage the concrete floor.

Bob
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on April 19, 2019, 12:11:31 AM
Hi Everyone

Hello Bob, is that hand recovering? Everything went well, The floor had the card board, that piece of truck spring blade with 2cm thickness, and above a piece of MDF for cushion.

Now it is begin to remove the parts from the basket, primary paint, and then enamel MBG. Cutting paper joints, puting screws...

One day at a time.

Cheers
VP

PS:Bob answer to email I sent.
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: ajaffa1 on April 19, 2019, 02:14:00 AM
I`ll check my email.

bob
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on April 20, 2019, 12:42:41 AM
Hi Everyone

Special thanks to Bob, and a wish of a quick recovery of his hand, (he will need it!).

There's nothing like seeing a machine "dressing up". Take a look!

Have a holy Easter, or another celebration that reminds us that Saint Peter will need to illuminate Paradise with, maybe  a CS or, perhaps, a Petter...

Be Happy, please.
VP
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on April 25, 2019, 10:45:16 PM
Hi Everyone

Just updating work:

Straitening oil piping, and make trolley project (on old milimetric sheet)

Be happy
VP
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on April 27, 2019, 12:19:45 AM
Hi Everyone

Today was a good day.

I finally managed to find a store that produced the MBGreen painting.
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on April 27, 2019, 12:20:56 AM
Before painting I had to repair the "office clothes", sew holes and put elastic for protection.
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on April 27, 2019, 12:21:21 AM
I still have a headache to solve, and remove the broken gibkey.
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on April 27, 2019, 12:22:34 AM
No doubt that green is really beautiful ... see the "clothes-line"

Things are going...

Have a nice weekend.
VP
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on April 27, 2019, 11:46:37 PM
"He's taking shape!"

the other one is taking "plan B" on that gibkey.
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on April 30, 2019, 01:19:20 AM
Hi Everyone

Some more work: oil piping done, cylinder and head "torqued".

A pair of pics for the enthusiasts.

Cheers
VP
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: Willw on April 30, 2019, 12:03:37 PM
Good work.

I'm looking forward to hearing it run.
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: dieselspanner on April 30, 2019, 08:15:57 PM
It's starting to look pretty!

Cheers
Stef
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: Johndoh on April 30, 2019, 09:40:50 PM
Your'e doing a lovely job I can't wait to see your video of her running.
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on May 05, 2019, 10:53:32 PM
Hi Everyone

I hope everything is ok, especially with Bob.

More improvements. And it's getting nice. Decoration included...

A picture is worth a thousand words...

cheers
VP
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on May 06, 2019, 11:42:23 PM
Hi Everyone

Some more cosmetic details, like shop manual point out, with red paint.

And mesure bumping clearance (fancy way, with tin [soldering] wire). It's in the top range, so the compression ratio will be smooth.

Lets see how it behaves at cold start...

Oil piping is primed and pressure seems ok.

Cheers
VP
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on May 07, 2019, 08:33:57 PM
Hi Everyone

Injector tested to right pressure, and assembled in place.

Injector pipe is taking a copper layer, to look nice.

Cheers
VP

PS: Decompressor lever adjusted also.
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: ajaffa1 on May 08, 2019, 11:58:56 AM
Wow, well done VP, she is going to be a beauty. Can`t wait to see her running.

Bob
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on May 09, 2019, 12:05:40 AM
Hello everyone

Let me give you a brief summary of the last parallel tasks I have been involved with:

1st PAZ1 - it's being a headache, gibkey broken with the wedge, 2nd attempt with threaded rod and it jumped out. Now I urgently need a 5 / 16BSF socket to remove the crankshaft (main bearing housing).

To be continued...
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on May 09, 2019, 12:07:28 AM
More 2 pics from 1st...

2nd PAZ1 - was destined to give parts to the 1, but in the end was in better condition, and was easier to disassemble. Now it's almost set up to work.

Nothing like some pics.

Cheers
VP
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: ajaffa1 on May 09, 2019, 10:08:31 AM
Well done VP, very nice pics of how to remove a damaged gib key. I have always suspected that the heat shock from the welding process helps to loosen the stuck key. I have used the same process myself with good results. I have also found that by applying a constant tension on the gib key over a prolonged period helps, especially if you can apply a little heat.

You are lucky to have a donor engine and are quite right to pick the best parts from each to produce one good one. Please try to ensure that, unless you are fitting new bearings and bushes, you need to fit the old bushes/bearings in the correct position for to original shafts. Failure to do this is not going to be a disaster but will result in a short period of wear until the old, non matching parts bed into one another.

Keep up the good work, I think you will beat me to first smoke but it was never a race!

Bob
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on May 09, 2019, 10:22:33 AM
Hi Bob

Thanks for your appreciation. Indeed it's not a race, because I have to fulfill my daily job, and you must take care of your hand.

I'm enrolled to recover both, maybe after I'll sell one. Lets see how things go on.

Cheers
VP
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on May 10, 2019, 06:58:12 PM
Hi Everyone

Further developments:

Trying Stef way to pull off flywheel in 1st Petter and not moving a mil. I'll try again Jim Perkins way, but - always a but - fist withdraw last 3 srews of main bearing housing, and for that I must buy a 5/16BSF socket.

For 2nd, the last part is done to fire it up. fuel injection pipe cooper plated. beautiful...

Next, bleed and crank... I'll try to make a video.

Cheers
VP
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on May 10, 2019, 09:49:20 PM
Hi Everyone

test syringe with diesel, bleed, and crank.

Some pics before video.

It runs... See the video here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Xu8nECtnM2Kog1-7JDi-sxWxU8MjFnzM

Be happy
VP
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: dieselspanner on May 10, 2019, 09:57:13 PM
A class act, well done!

Cheers
Stef
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: ajaffa1 on May 10, 2019, 11:20:22 PM
Well done VP, looks and sounds great you should be very proud of yourself. Do you know what you are going to use it for?

Bob
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: sirpedrosa on May 11, 2019, 01:56:12 AM
Hi Everyone

It's all most done...

Some more fine tuning, and trolley.

Cheers
VP

PS: Bob, I'm asking everywhere for an old alternator ~2,5 kva with pulley, and the answer is: thats very old and therefore goes to recycle. So by now is just to showoff.
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: BruceM on May 11, 2019, 03:34:51 AM
Very nice work VP.  She looks like a nice smooth runner. 
Title: Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
Post by: Willw on May 12, 2019, 01:57:43 PM
Well done VP, you did not disappoint.