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Lister Engines => Original Lister Cs Engines => Topic started by: lastlaugh on August 13, 2018, 01:22:11 AM

Title: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: lastlaugh on August 13, 2018, 01:22:11 AM
The guy called me today about the engine. I spent the last 5 hours on the road in pouring rain, but I got it home. The data plate does indeed say its an ST2. It has 1262 hours on it (or at least on the timer on the gen head). The owner started it up for me and it seems to run fine. He said he tried to run WMO in it, but it ran hot so he never tried again. Thats the main thing I'm worried about. What would make it run hot, and what do I need to check because of this?

The Kohler generator head produces power, (we tested it with an angle grinder). Now to get it off the truck and tear into it to learn how it works and clean it up. I want to restore it to like new condition, so if anyone know if it was the yellow color, or green, let me know. Also, and knowledge about the gen head would be extremely helpful!

Any information you can provide me about the engine will be greatly appreciated.


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Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: lastlaugh on August 13, 2018, 01:27:20 AM
And here is the gen head:

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Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: glort on August 13, 2018, 01:31:15 AM
Good to hear it came through. Seems like you got a real bargain as well.
Lots of hours of fun playing with this ahead.
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: broncodriver99 on August 13, 2018, 01:34:24 AM
Congrats! Nice looking project there. The gold on the generator head is an original Kohler color. I think yellow is a pretty common Lister color as well. May have been two tone originally. I would probably paint it all Lister(mid-brunswick) green or all Kohler gold. How did the Tacoma do on the road trip?
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: lastlaugh on August 13, 2018, 01:44:00 AM
Tacoma hauled it fine. Couldn't even tell it was in the back, even in the pouring rain.

If I'm reading the data plate correct, its a 1978?

I hope to strip the old paint from each piece as I take it apart. Will it need primer? Do any of you have a source for the mid brunswick green paint?

And yes, I think I did good on the price. I got it for 1000$
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: broncodriver99 on August 13, 2018, 01:52:16 AM
Mid Brunswick green is hard to source here in the US. I did see a listing pop up for it on ebay a month or so ago but the listing is gone now. I think it was shipping out of New England somewhere.
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: dieselspanner on August 13, 2018, 07:18:10 AM
Hi Last

I did the paint piecemeal thing, having made a mess of a complete engine, hurling sags and drips everywhere, I find a cock up can be recovered fairly easily with 'paint as you go'

I did the CS with spray cans from Lidl, a European chain supermarket that has weekly specials designed to tempt the mail into the store along with his Mrs. I bought a whole bunch of spraycans of a straight to metal product that performed as well as 'Smoothrite' but was a third the price

I don't know if Hammerite is available where you are, but the green is not too far off Brunswick, welll near enough for me, anyway!

Cheers Stef
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: glort on August 13, 2018, 08:00:43 AM
Can't see why it would be difficult to get any colour these days. They can scan and create a formula from samples as well as codes.

Just googled it and got a hit from every manufacturer here.

https://www.dulux.com.au/colour/mid-brunswick-green

Also found the colour Code.

https://encycolorpedia.com/375241

Should be able to go into any big hardware or Car parts joint that mixes paint and get it.

You can even make your own Colour/ Shade.
I have created colours on the computer, Printed them out, taken them to the paint joint and said make me this.  Don't even have to print them out now. Just give them the CMYK numbers  or a pantone number ( you are bound to find something in the 16.8M shades to your liking)  and they will reproduce it for you.

Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: ajaffa1 on August 13, 2018, 08:53:08 AM
Congratulations Lastlaugh, Should be a great project and give you enormous pleasure and hours of frustration. Looks like that Kohler head has three slip rings so it`s probably three phase.

If the engine was overheating it is much more likely that the cooling vanes on the cylinders are full of sh1t. Mine was completely covered in a mixture of dust, oil, chicken feathers and mouse droppings.

Paint it any color you like, mine looks like this:
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: glort on August 13, 2018, 12:36:58 PM

Hope you put the indian Clone improvement in your paint Bob.

That metal flake makes all the difference especially when the paint is put on nice and thick with a pressure washer or whatever the indians use.   :laugh:
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: 38ac on August 13, 2018, 12:38:46 PM
Can't see why it would be difficult to get any colour these days. They can scan and create a formula from samples as well as codes.

Just googled it and got a hit from every manufacturer here.

https://www.dulux.com.au/colour/mid-brunswick-green

Also found the colour Code.

https://encycolorpedia.com/375241

Should be able to go into any big hardware or Car parts joint that mixes paint and get it.

You can even make your own Colour/ Shade.
I have created colours on the computer, Printed them out, taken them to the paint joint and said make me this.  Don't even have to print them out now. Just give them the CMYK numbers  or a pantone number ( you are bound to find something in the 16.8M shades to your liking)  and they will reproduce it for you.

Those avenues work for you but not here in the states. That's why all of our repainted Lister engines are the wrong color.

The Dupont Dulux link does no good as it has not been available in the states since back in the early 2000 era due to our EPA regs and the codes do not cross over to available Dupont lines meaning ya they will mix it in a current product but it isnt the same color.  I once checked out purchasing a few gallons from England  and while it is  technically not legal to import paint that is not legal to sell here. That didnt stop me but the price delivered $$$$$$$ sure did.

Our paint mix shops do not recognize those European paint codes  been there and tried that too.

Tried chip scans 5-6 times at differant places and they came out crap too. Was told that something about our available pigments and bases makes it impossible to duplicate the OEM mid Brunswick color, I dont know, that swhat I was told.  I spent a lot of time trying and gave up.  I mostly use a mixture of Rustoleum Forrest green and darken it with black to suit my eyes as suggested by Gary at DES. Still looks different in certain light but close enough for stuff not headed fo a museum.

Now if somebody has a workable answer to the right color I am all ears.  ;D
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: lastlaugh on August 13, 2018, 02:22:55 PM
Congratulations Lastlaugh, Should be a great project and give you enormous pleasure and hours of frustration. Looks like that Kohler head has three slip rings so it`s probably three phase.

If the engine was overheating it is much more likely that the cooling vanes on the cylinders are full of sh1t. Mine was completely covered in a mixture of dust, oil, chicken feathers and mouse droppings.

Paint it any color you like, mine looks like this:

Thank you everyone for your responses! I'm exited as hell to get this, especially at this price.

I was debating doing the spray paint option myself if I could find a color close enough to the original. I'd much rather spray it with a gun, but I live in housing on a military base, and I dont think the neighbors would care for the over spray!

I was planning to go to a Sherwin Williams and see if they could mix the proper color, but have been hearing exactly what 38ac said. (Its very hard to get the color here in the states). Without seeing the original color first hand, it will be hard for me to know if its the real color or a horrible reproduction.


- ajaffa, thanks for the inspiration! Yours looks amazing! Where did you get the fuel cell its mounted on?

You are correct on the cooling vanes. I looked inside the cage and it looks like there is all kinds of trash up in there. I'll be taking it apart to clean it as soon as I figure out how.

As far as the gen head goes, I'm still learning! have a good basic knowledge of electronic principles but its been a long time. (I wasnt aware they were called slip rings, but I understand the concept now. (each ring is capacitated 120 degrees off phase). I've never worked with 3 phase power, but now I'm intrigued. Will this work for standard house backup in case of outtage? Do I need to convert it back to single phase or will it just use the first phase for single?


I'm looking for a manual for the kohler, so if anyone has experience with the head or know where i can get one, I will be eternally grateful!

Thanks again for all the responses. You are a great bunch of folks!
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: mike90045 on August 13, 2018, 03:24:32 PM
......... I've never worked with 3 phase power, but now I'm intrigued. Will this work for standard house backup in case of outtage? Do I need to convert it back to single phase or will it just use the first phase for single?
...

With 3 phase, the power is split over 3 sets of windings, so any single winding has 1/3 rd the power, if it's a 9Kw gen head, only 3kw per winding.  otherwise, you need a expensive 3-ph transformer that will convert to 9kw of usable single phase
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: BruceM on August 13, 2018, 03:43:55 PM
Ajaffa1-  A showpiece finish and very classy setup for your ST2!  Nice!
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: glort on August 13, 2018, 04:17:19 PM

Just amazes me.  There is so much so easily available and so Cheap in the states compared to what the rest of us have to work with yet you can't get paint in the colour you want...... or small diesel engines. Makes no sense at all.
Now we can get ANY colour paint we want here AND we can post it anywhere in the world...... For the right price.    :laugh:

Don't understand why the sampling of colours is no good. I have never failed to be amazed how spot on it is here.  I'm sure the machines aren't only available here and no where else. Most likley be developed in the US and sent this way.
The colour formula page I linked to has hexidecimal and RGB color codes.  I can reproduce RGB on my printer so i'm lost as to why such a universal formula can't be applied to paint. I KNOW RGB is used the world over.


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otherwise, you need a expensive 3-ph transformer that will convert to 9kw of usable single phase

Not Necessarily.
Depending on how the generator is wired/ built, it may ( and Usually is with our power system gennys here) to wire the outputs so you can get 3 or single phase out the same head. I don't see why it would be any different with US standard gennys.
Not all of them can do it but if you have a 12 wire output you certainly can.

Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: lastlaugh on August 13, 2018, 04:41:09 PM
Thats bad news on the gen head. 8.5kW is enough to power my cabin. One third of that is not! I may have to look up how to wire it to single phase.




Just amazes me.  There is so much so easily available and so Cheap in the states compared to what the rest of us have to work with yet you can't get paint in the colour you want...... or small diesel engines. Makes no sense at all.
Now we can get ANY colour paint we want here AND we can post it anywhere in the world...... For the right price.    :laugh:

Don't understand why the sampling of colours is no good. I have never failed to be amazed how spot on it is here.  I'm sure the machines aren't only available here and no where else. Most likley be developed in the US and sent this way.
The colour formula page I linked to has hexidecimal and RGB color codes.  I can reproduce RGB on my printer so i'm lost as to why such a universal formula can't be applied to paint. I KNOW RGB is used the world over.


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otherwise, you need a expensive 3-ph transformer that will convert to 9kw of usable single phase

Not Necessarily.
Depending on how the generator is wired/ built, it may ( and Usually is with our power system gennys here) to wire the outputs so you can get 3 or single phase out the same head. I don't see why it would be any different with US standard gennys.
Not all of them can do it but if you have a 12 wire output you certainly can.

Believe me, finding a Lister here in the US is NOT easy at all, and when you do, you usually pay out the nose for it. I just happened to get extremely lucky!

I'm not sure if its a 12 wire output or not. I'll get better pictures when I get home.

Thanks again for the responses, and advice fellas!
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: dieselspanner on August 13, 2018, 10:35:34 PM
Come on man, it's easy, just split the load, or am I being stupid?

Cheers Stef
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: lastlaugh on August 13, 2018, 10:52:03 PM
Come on man, it's easy, just split the load, or am I being stupid?

Cheers Stef

I was wondering the same thing, but I know next to nothing about generators!
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: glort on August 14, 2018, 12:17:38 AM

3 Phase would be an advantage if there is any heavy machinery to run.  Big motor and in industrial use are always 3 phase here but we have a different electrical system. 
Isn't US 3phase automatically at every outlet and you split it to get single phase outlets?

We tend to have it the other way, Domestic outlets are single phase and wired from the box to the appliance for  2 phases ( yes, it exists) or 3 phase.

If the genny for some reason can't be wired to single phase, a VFD may be an economical option.

The only thing with Load splitting on a 3 phase is you are supposed to keep the loads even. I have found that is pretty much not a concern.
The parroted mantra is you can make the thing overheat but I find that illogical in theroy and practice. having a no or low load phase gives more opportunity for cooling and the only way to over heat is to overload a single winding.  Imbalanced loads on a big heavy rotating mass like this are not going to mean squat.  I'll bet with some care and effort you could Imbalance a phase or two and counteract the engines power pulses to get the thing to run smoother!   :laugh:
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: Johndoh on August 14, 2018, 12:33:54 AM
If youre a purist you'll want mid Brunswick green I prefer British Racing Green and it's cheap as chips in the states

https://www.ebay.com/itm/AUTO-BODY-SHOP-RESTORATION-PAINT-BRITISH-RACING-GREEN-KIT-SINGLE-STAGE-ENAMEL/390287526612?hash=item5adef30ad4%3Ag%3AQGYAAMXQueRRYbLg&_sacat=0&_nkw=british+racing+green+paint&_from=R40&rt=nc&LH_TitleDesc=0
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: lastlaugh on August 14, 2018, 01:38:28 AM
I may go with that color then!

Im really confused at the gen head now. Posted some pics on the Lister based generator subforum for anyone who knows about that particular thing.
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: BruceM on August 14, 2018, 03:52:30 AM
Glort, there's typically nothing but single phase for residential in the US.  3 phase for businesses, commercial buildings, etc.   But it is a hodge podge of over 900 private power companies so so there's all kinds of crazy stuff still around.  Older oddities tend to be left alone and just propped up.  No such thing as spending money to "standardize".




 

Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: mike90045 on August 14, 2018, 06:14:43 AM
North American standard 240v split phase is not the same as 3 phase.

240VAC Split Phase is produced off a single phase input transformer with center tapped secondary, producing for output, a single phase across the 240V outer terminals and two 120V legs with phases 180 degrees apart

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split-phase_electric_power

A 3 phase system can "sometimes work" but standard NA household wiring assumes a shared neutral and if you try 2 legs of 3 phase on it, you get 208V instead of 240V.  Some appliances don't care, some do.
 But you would still only be able to pull 2/3rds of the generator power.  Maybe its enough for you ?  Maybe no 240v gear ?
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: glort on August 14, 2018, 08:58:53 AM
North American standard 240v split phase is not the same as 3 phase.

240VAC Split Phase is produced off a single phase input transformer with center tapped secondary, producing for output, a single phase across the 240V outer terminals and two 120V legs with phases 180 degrees apart

Thanks for that.

What is the actual Standard voltage  ( if you have one?) 110 or 120V?  Always seems odd to me the voltage is so low which makes the amps so High.

Ours used to be 240v but was lowered to 230V.  Many people with solar whom pay attention to line voltage find it much above that and beyond the limit of 253V. The power company's excuse is solar backfeed but as many have observed, their solar backfeed at night doesen't tend to be very high at midnight and the voltage is still on the high side.

The lowest voltage I have ever seen here is 234 and most times even at night it's more likely to be 245-248. Lazy power co's won't keep the transformers  correctly tapped and that happens everywhere.  Most likley saves them paying feedback rates for solar because makes them a lot easier to trip out on high voltage protection which is built into the inverters.

Here 3 Phase standard is 400V but 415 and 440 is much more popular for appliance ratings.  Can go up to 480 and beyond as well.

I noticed some of the info for Oceania on the link is incorrect.


Most Homes here have 3 Phase run to the house but most would only have 2 phase's connected.  Generally there are the 3 Phase inks in the meter box but the house itself may only tap what it wants.  There was a practice to use 3 phase for a while in places such as this that had heavy demands to spread and balance the loads from the pole but now they have gone back to high current single phase depending on what the size of the load is.

Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: Boxelder on August 14, 2018, 11:39:49 AM
Was this the one on Craigslist just outside Austin?
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: 38ac on August 14, 2018, 12:13:52 PM
Voltage will vary with the individual transformer and how it is tapped but 115 to 125 is common, at least in my area. Years ago 110 to 115 was the norm. 
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: 38ac on August 14, 2018, 12:17:54 PM
If youre a purist you'll want mid Brunswick green I prefer British Racing Green and it's cheap as chips in the states

https://www.ebay.com/itm/AUTO-BODY-SHOP-RESTORATION-PAINT-BRITISH-RACING-GREEN-KIT-SINGLE-STAGE-ENAMEL/390287526612?hash=item5adef30ad4%3Ag%3AQGYAAMXQueRRYbLg&_sacat=0&_nkw=british+racing+green+paint&_from=R40&rt=nc&LH_TitleDesc=0

Well if the actual color matches the picture in the ad that comes closer than anything else I have seen or tried. I might just order some up and give it a go.  ;)
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: Johndoh on August 14, 2018, 12:41:00 PM
If youre a purist you'll want mid Brunswick green I prefer British Racing Green and it's cheap as chips in the states

https://www.ebay.com/itm/AUTO-BODY-SHOP-RESTORATION-PAINT-BRITISH-RACING-GREEN-KIT-SINGLE-STAGE-ENAMEL/390287526612?hash=item5adef30ad4%3Ag%3AQGYAAMXQueRRYbLg&_sacat=0&_nkw=british+racing+green+paint&_from=R40&rt=nc&LH_TitleDesc=0

Well if the actual color matches the picture in the ad that comes closer than anything else I have seen or tried. I might just order some up and give it a go.  ;)

I have liked that colour since I got a Ford Cortina in the late 70's. It was Tan vinyl over BR green  If I had my way I'd paint everything BRG! note thats enamel paint in the link you can brush or spray it, automotive paint especially the water based spray on type that needs lacquer always looks darker to me.
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: ajaffa1 on August 14, 2018, 12:51:56 PM
Here in Australia I have found Brunswick Green manufactured by Dulux. I have also found a color called cottage green which is almost indistinguishable and half the price.

Bob
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: 38ac on August 14, 2018, 01:00:50 PM
No Dulux here Bob. EPA said if we kept spraying it we would burn up from climate change,, or was it freeze to death???? Cant remember.
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: ajaffa1 on August 14, 2018, 02:09:37 PM
I`m sure i read somewhere that 90% of the automotive paints in the USA are manufactured by the prison service using prisoner labour. I have no problem with penitentiaries making paint but it worries me that they don`t have the vision to provide the colors people want or need.

I`m reasonably certain that Dulux paints are standard oil based products using mineral turpentine as a solvent. What do the EPA recommend as an alternative?

Any chance the Donald could be persuaded to declare war on the EPA and leave the rest of the world alone for a while?

Bob
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: glort on August 14, 2018, 02:28:57 PM
No Dulux here Bob. EPA said if we kept spraying it we would burn up from climate change,, or was it freeze to death???? Cant remember.

They probably can't remember either or had to change it when the predictions went the opposite way to reality.

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Any chance the Donald could be persuaded to declare war on the EPA and leave the rest of the world alone for a while?

I believe he has Bob.
I was reading something the other week about him wanting to dismantle the EPA and there were a whole bunch of moaning zealot greenie leftists saying he was against clean water and air and encouraging toxic dumping in rivers and the usual complete and utter fabricated crap.

I think what he is against and recognises is how over the top they have gone with things.  I read they have or were going to ban model airplane engines because of their emissions. Yeah, I'm sure all the nasties all those 1 and 3.5cc model airplane engines put out are a real significant factor in the smog and pollution not only in the states but in the whole global total.   ::)

I believe they also had Lawnmowers and brushcutters in their sights too because they were turning the air black with the vast qtys of emissions those little engines were pumping out.

There is a hell of a difference between wanting to reel in an entity gone mad on it's own self importance and power tripping that is stifling the country economically and otherwise and trying to encourage Illegal toxic Dumping in waterways!  ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: lastlaugh on August 14, 2018, 09:35:58 PM
Was this the one on Craigslist just outside Austin?

Yes, it was.
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: Boxelder on August 16, 2018, 01:54:32 AM
Nice! I almost snagged that one myself. Good on ya!
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: 38ac on August 16, 2018, 11:47:28 AM
I`m sure i read somewhere that 90% of the automotive paints in the USA are manufactured by the prison service using prisoner labour.
Bob

Good example of dont believe everything you read on the internet, ;)   
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: lastlaugh on August 18, 2018, 03:40:13 AM
Ok, I have been reading the ST2 manual all week and have come upon the "ST2 Builds and Accessories" section. This explains the original option the engine came with from the factory. My build number (A28) says this:

Marine auxiliary triple survey, clockwise rotation, close coupled fan shroud for raised hand starting and with starter blanking plate. Long running/sump heater crankcase. Standard flywheel with starter ring. Fuel pumps set to no overload.

Governor set to 2600 rev/min
Governor range 1200-2100 (outside 8% governing limit)
                                2100-2600 (within 8% governing limit)
                               
Can someone interpret that for me?
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: mikenash on August 18, 2018, 10:40:53 AM
Ok, I have been reading the ST2 manual all week and have come upon the "ST2 Builds and Accessories" section. This explains the original option the engine came with from the factory. My build number (A28) says this:

Marine auxiliary triple survey, clockwise rotation, close coupled fan shroud for raised hand starting and with starter blanking plate. Long running/sump heater crankcase. Standard flywheel with starter ring. Fuel pumps set to no overload.

Governor set to 2600 rev/min
Governor range 1200-2100 (outside 8% governing limit)
                                2100-2600 (within 8% governing limit)
                               
Can someone interpret that for me?

Here's a layman's thoughts

"marine auxiliary triple survey" probably just means it was intended to be used on a boat, but not necessarily as the engine that powered the boat but one that ran a generator or lighting, or other systems - and maybe that it was subject to "survey" in that there were rules governing its safe use in marine circumstances & maybe around it's maintenance schedules to keep it reliable so it didn't break down out in the middle of the bloody ocean

"clockwise rotation" is, well, clockwise rotation of the crankshaft when viewed from one particular end (and that doesn't matter to you, probably, cos it will only run in the way that makes the fan work properly to push air over the motor?)

"close coupled" usually just means something that is attached to the end of the crankshaft and driven (in this case the fan) as opposed to being driven by pulleys and a belt

"raised starting" maybe just means the design of the fan housing leaves room for a hand-crank handle as it doesn't have an electric starter motor

Which would be why it has the "blanking plate" over the hole where the starter motor would otherwise be?

"long running sump and sump heater crankcase" probably refer to the oil capacity of the sump (big sump = tolerance for a long run if no-one remembers to check the oil or if it isn't turned off for weeks at a time, maybe?) and maybe the oil system has a heater such as is common in cold climes so the whole goddamn motor doesn't freeze and seize? And so oil will flow on startup in cold temps, maybe?

"Standard flywheel with starter ring" (ring gear) suggests if you took the "blanking plate off you could probably fit a starter motor?

"fuel pumps set to no overload" might be something to do with the combination of the size of the element in the pump and the movement of the rack?  Possibly set up so that the motor can't get enough fuel to hurt itself?

Other, better-informed folk will chime in here . . .
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: glort on August 18, 2018, 01:34:23 PM

Close coupled means the driven equipment ( generator, pump etc ) can be run off the engine shaft as in the case of cheap single bearing alternators that  have one bearing in the alternator and rely on the engine shaft for support the other end.
As such it is likely the alternator you have is or the original was mounted to the engine itself rather than having 2 bearing and the ability to be belt driven for instance.

Fuel Pump set to no overload.
Usually industrial engines have a power rating for Continuous  output  ( 12/ 24 hr) and a higher rating ( usually 10%)  for a given time ( generally 1 hour) for which they can be " Over driven" above their  normal continuous output.  Your engine is set to have Continuous power rating only.  Easy fixed, adjust the throttle limit screw if you want more but on a genny, probably not the best Idea to screw your frequency and potentially voltage outputs.
Other engines sometimes express this as RPM ratings  @ say 3000 and 3600 Rpm.  While they do 3600 rpm, they are not meant to do it continually.... although the Chinese manufacturers tend to leave that fact out the manuals.  Big numbers sell after all.

My understanding of Raised hand starting is the engine must be mounted/ raised to be hand started.
IE, if the engine was sitting flat on the concrete floor, you would bust your knuckles on the cement as you tried to crank it because the starter handle would not clear..... or at least your knuckles wouldn't.
My horizontal Cyl China engines are like this.  Worst thing is to Mount them on 50 mm timber bearers and realise  the clearance needed for your knuckles is 55 mm.  If you go to hand start the thing,  make sure you have PLENTY of clearance on the downswing.

Long running sump generaly means extended times between shut down for checks, in this case the oil level. As all engines burn oil, by adding a larger sump you have more capacity for longer run times between top ups.  And the oil will stay cooler, less foaming etc.

 It can also mean that the sump is of an uneven design such as found in a lot of cars where it is deeper behind the Cross member.  With this term also goes to the fact the PICKUP is a long runner meaning it is not under the oil pump but rather has a long extention back to the deep part of the sump.
Small block Chevs tend to have a short pickup that comes out from the pump and pretty much straight down  but depending on the application, they may have a long pickup if the sump is located to the rear of the engine rather than the front.
The term as I know it also applies to Dry sumped engines  meaning the oil resivour can be remotely located rather than right near the engine.
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: oldgoat on August 18, 2018, 02:49:20 PM
Google  " Raised hand starting on marine engines" there are pictures of all the arrangements
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: lastlaugh on August 18, 2018, 02:50:20 PM
Thanks again for all the replies fellas!

I think I found what "Raised hand start" means:

(http://imgdump4.novarata.net/image.uploads/18-08-2018/original-53736f9a9533c07b712c0fc95e3716c0.png)

Which would be really neat if I had all the parts!

I still haven't been able to start the engine since I have had it here at home. I hope to get a battery and fashion a fuel tank to get it started today. I'd really like to fine some sort of air filter to cover the intake first tho.
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: lastlaugh on August 18, 2018, 09:04:21 PM
Well, I got out today in the lovely Texas heat and tried to get it started again. I hooked my truck battery to the started with no luck. The solenoid is rusted all to crap and stuck. SO, I pulled it out by hand, and tried it like that. It turned the engine over for a sec, then stopped. Seemed like the battery ran out of grunt. I tried starting it by hand, but it is next to impossible. (I ripped a chunk of skin off my hand trying it). I did get it to turn over, and it was puffing black smoke, but I couldn't get it to catch and run by itself. Its either going to take a much stronger 12v battery, or a 24 volt system.

So, I decided to check the wiring on th eterminals coming from the gen head. They seems ok, so I hooked the battery to it, and tried the starter switch. It clicked, then buzzed for a second, but that is it. I'm almost positive that portion is 24v based on what you all have said and every video I have seen on youtube.

I'm still having trouble putting together in my mind how applying 24v to the gen head will turn the motor tho!

Also, is there a reason why my engine is so hard to turn by hand? It seems everyone on youtube can turn theirs fairly easily. Mine is almost impossible to move. Is it becuasue of the load the gen head puts on the engine? What can I do to make it easier to turn by hand or is that a product of a full rebuild and lube?
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: sirpedrosa on August 18, 2018, 09:34:03 PM
the gen and verify first the engine issus it must run good by hand decompressed. and it must start with 5/6 smart turns. after that think finaly the electric start and gen. pedrosa
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: ajaffa1 on August 19, 2018, 12:26:48 AM
Check the valve clearances and then adjust the decompression levers as per the manual. Could be the pistons are coming into contact with the valves or that you are trying to overcome compression while cranking.

The SOM drawing I posted  requires 24 volts for an ST2, 12 volts for ST1

If it has stood for a long time without an air filter or exhaust there is quite likely some surface rust in the bores. Just behind the decompressor levers there are two nylon plungers, lift these out and fill the two small cylinders with engine oil. Replace the plungers and push them all the way down. This will pump oil into the combustion chambers, lubricate the pistons and increase compression for cold starting.

Are you cranking it the right way? Some cranking handles can work in either direction. If you are cranking the wrong way the engine will blow air out of the air intake and suck through the exhaust.

Bob
 
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: glort on August 19, 2018, 12:56:45 AM

Did I read the guy you bought it from started it for you or am I confusing this with someone elses Engine?
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: lastlaugh on August 19, 2018, 01:52:30 AM
Yes he started it with a battery connected to the starter directly. I didn't pay attention to what kind of battery, but it appeared to be a car battery. He was a heavy equipment mechanic tho, so it could have been a heads duty one.

I'm definitely turning it the right way. Direction is on the handle and only turns that direction. I figured it was just or crud from sitting for awhile.
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: glort on August 19, 2018, 07:09:37 AM

If your battery is not fully up to power, You'll have bugger all chance of starting  diesel. Seem this even on Cars.  You can turn them over but if the starter is lazy due to the battery not putting out enough amps, you can make problems for yourself.

A guy I knew " flooded" his engine from cranking with crap batteries. I did not think it were possible to flood a diesel but it seems it is as I have seen it a couple of times now.  I Pulled the GP's on my mates engine and turned the thing over watching fuel spray out the holes. When the fog stabilised I put the GP's back in and connected the batteries out my own vehicle.  Think fired up smartly although chugged for longer than I expected on the 2 Cyl I couldn't  get the plugs out easy so left them. They cleared and the thing was fine.  If the battery is tired or has a weak cell, you can be really chasing your tail.

One thing that's always amazed me with the cranking amps it Draws in my Harley.  Motor is stock and relatively low compression but that amps that thing pulls is crazy.  I have jumper leads that will turn V8's and small diesels over no problems but you can fry them with that thing if it does not light within about 10 sec.  Even when it does everthing is hot.  Have had it checked and it's fine, they are all the same apparently.

If you are not sure about the battery you are using and you have GOOD jumper leads ( if they say " 100 amp" throw them to the shithouse and get PROPER ones) have the vehicle running so it is bringing the voltage up to where it needs to be and jump your engine that way. On a less than perfect battery having the volts up and that extra 80A or whatever from the alternator can make the difference between an easy start and wasting your time.

Of course hooking 2 batteries up to give you the 24V the starter wants would be an even better way to do it!   :laugh:
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: lastlaugh on August 19, 2018, 11:59:10 PM
Well glort, I decided to stop being a cheapskate and go get 2 marine deep cycle batteries today. I wired tehm in series, and also replaced the old rotted terminals coming out of the gen box. I tested for continuity all the way to the slip rings, and everything appeared ok. So, I hooked it all up, and flipped the start switch.

It started like the day it was made! Crank very easily and putted right along. I tested the 110v outlet connected to it, and it was putting out right at 115v. I'm not sure how to check the total watts being put out, but everything seems to work perfect. One thing I did notice tho is that I'm not getting any current back on the terminals while the engine is running. Once it was running, I disconnected the batteries and tested the terminals. barely 2volts and 2.5Amps. This isnt enough to charge the batteries back, so I'm guessing that portion of the SOM isnt working.

Is my line of thinking correct or am I forgetting something??

Also, I really need a fuel tank for this thing. I'm currently using an old coffee can that I drilled a hole in the bottom of, inserted a grommet, and inserted the fuel line. It spilled today making a mess. Anyone know where to get a fuel tank for an ST2?
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: dieselgman on August 20, 2018, 01:44:13 AM

Also, I really need a fuel tank for this thing. I'm currently using an old coffee can that I drilled a hole in the bottom of, inserted a grommet, and inserted the fuel line. It spilled today making a mess. Anyone know where to get a fuel tank for an ST2?
Lister ST fuel tanks and ALL other L/P parts are stocked in Kansas. Contact Gary - gsj@gci.net

dieselgman
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: glort on August 20, 2018, 02:05:54 AM

Congrats on your engine!
Good batteries always make a difference.  The correct Number of batteries does not hurt either!   :laugh:


Once it was running, I disconnected the batteries and tested the terminals. barely 2volts and 2.5Amps. This isnt enough to charge the batteries back, so I'm guessing that portion of the SOM isnt working.


With the batterys disconnected, you may be just measuring the residual voltage and current in the circuit.  Some alts will show high voltage but I suspect the circuit here is a tap off another winding and needs to be stimulated as it were.

When you disconnect them batteries the alt and voltage regulator has nothing to work against and in detecting an open circuit may just revert to the small output to save keeping on upping the output till it finds resistance and in finding none, cooks itself in the process.

 It may not be working but you need to test differently. I assume you don't have a DC clamp meter so connect the batteries through an amp meter and short that out to start the engine. One the engine is running remove the terminal and see what your amp meter reads.  Preferably make it a 20-30 A amp meter.  You could also connect a load across the batteries and meter the amp draw on that and meter the voltage at the same time. Amps should drop and voltage should come up when you remove the load, provably very quickly if you are only running a little load like 10-20 A because the output from the genny should take care of that in real time.

For voltage just measure the voltage across the batteries after the engine has been running a while. You want around 28.5V but check what it says on the batteries themselves because different types want to run at different levels.  The batteries could take some time to fully charge and equalise so don't worry if they are still coming up 10 min after you start the engine.   2 Hours would be a different thing BUT, it still could be the way the genny is set.

If the voltage is not what you want, there may be provision to adjust the output. The beauty of that old stuff in all it's complication is it can often be adjusted.  In any case there are plenty of options to charge your start and any other batteries.
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: lastlaugh on August 20, 2018, 03:12:36 AM
Thanks for the reply. I do have a DC clamp meter but I didn't even think to use it!

I wondered the same thing about disconnecting the batteries. If I removed the load, the generator would no longer supply voltage to charge. I'll start it up again tomorrow and see what it looks like with the clamp meter.
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: lastlaugh on August 20, 2018, 03:13:51 AM

Also, I really need a fuel tank for this thing. I'm currently using an old coffee can that I drilled a hole in the bottom of, inserted a grommet, and inserted the fuel line. It spilled today making a mess. Anyone know where to get a fuel tank for an ST2?
Lister ST fuel tanks and ALL other L/P parts are stocked in Kansas. Contact Gary - gsj@gci.net

dieselgman

I emailed gary yesterday about the ST2 parts. He's getting back with me on prices. Thanks
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: ajaffa1 on August 20, 2018, 09:57:14 AM
Well done Lastlaugh, finally got her running! :)

Had to fire mine up today, I really should do it every month. Very big bush fires near me will probably take out the local electricity grid this evening. Can`t fight fires without electricity as all my water pumps are electric.

Probably got 70,000 liters of water in the tanks and ten times that in the dam, despite the drought. Would be a real pisser to loose the house to a bush fire because the genny wouldn`t start.

Neighbors as close as 5 k from here are being evacuated (top end of my road). Could be in for a long night, hoping the wind will die down giving the fire service a breather.

Spent the afternoon with a weed eater removing every possible flammable piece of grass from around the house paddock, feeling reasonably secure, wish us luck.

Bob
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: glort on August 20, 2018, 03:05:27 PM

Your Next investment Bob should be a diesel or electric pump.

I have a couple of mates in fire prone areas.
One has only been there 2 years but has put in massive above ground tanks.  He's on bit of a hill and the tanks are higher than the house.  He's put in a 4"  Pipe that runs down to the house and feeds sprinklers that go around and on the house roof.  He's also got several Fire pumps and hoses now.

Other mate is in a bad spot at the top of a very steep gully that levels out a bit before it gets to him but as it's national park, the thick scrub stops about 50M from the back of his house.  He wanted to cut down a couple opf big trees in his yard but the council kept refusing.  The neighbour/ mate over the road is the captain of a fire station so he wrote him an order that the " fire hazzard" had to be removed.  mate took that to the council and there was no way they could refuse that so the trees came down.

Because he lives on the end of a point where there is only one fairly small mains water feed and the same for the power, there is no way he'll have either during a fire.  Some years back I gave him an old rusty trailer I had and we fitted it with an IBC, a petrol  fire pump and a couple of proper fire hoses.  Adapted the pump so it can also pump  from his tank and pool and refill the IBC or pump direct.

He also came across a high pressure water pump they were throwing out from his work so he has that in a shed attached to a 8000L tank and some batteries and an inverter.  He was worried about motors not working due to lack of oxygen in the air which may be a problem due to the updraft  where he is.  He has sprinklers around the house and garden and a lot on the roof this pump Powers.

He can flick the switch and the thing waters the house with no need for an engine at all.  A pretty clever setup all in all.  He keeps the batts charged with a small solar cell normally that is enough to float the batteries.

I was up on the shed roof today checking my panels from the weekend gale winds and saw that yet again, the gutters are full of damn leaves.  have to get up and clean them, again, but even though I am on an acerage estate, I'm going to keep a tank full and a pump at the ready as well.  At my last place in the middle of surburbia with no bush for 20 KM we had the place covered in ash and bits of charred leaves etc and it's not hard to Imagine a fire in any of the MUCH closer bust  round here, less that 1KM as the crow flies, dropping burning embers.

ATM, it would take just a spark to light my lawns up they are so dry and dead despite the water I have been pumping into them.  Ground may have some moisture but on the top the wind  has been drying everything.

I know this much, If I were anywhere near bush I'd be as over the top with pumps, hoses and tanks as I am with solar panels!
I'm trying to put some pumps and tanks in at my Dads place but he's of the opinion if a fire comes ( which it did a couple of years ago) he's not up to fighting it with his asthma so he's just going and if it burns, it burns.  I like the little I have and my memories especially so I'd hate to loose anything.

Hope it all is well for you Bob and you never get close to any danger.

Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: mike90045 on August 20, 2018, 05:49:49 PM
Last year, wildfires pushed by winds, swept into Santa Rosa, California, and because of the wind, the flames went through suburban neighborhoods, shopping malls with acres of blacktop parking lots, and business parks.
 It's tough to armor against that happening.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubbs_Fire

newspaper, with before & after aerial photos
http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-northern-california-fires-structures/
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: ajaffa1 on August 21, 2018, 12:33:40 AM
Hi Guys, thanks for the support. We got through the night OK and the wind has died down. The road is still closed and I have never seen it so busy, a continuous stream of fire fighting equipment heading to Buccarumbi.

Gives me the shits that this fire was lit by the rural fire service as part of a hazard reduction burn and now covers 3000 acres of forest and is destroying peoples homes, livestock and property.

I do have a very powerful fire fighting pump (petrol) sadly I lent it to my neighbor when her pump failed. That was nine months ago and she`s still got it. Don`t feel right going and asking for it back as she is a pensioner living on her own.

I always keep the gutters clean as all our potable tank water comes off the roof of the house or shed. Thankfully the weather forecast is giving rain coming in on Friday so we just have to hope the wind stays calm till then.

I do have a plan to build another dam in the valley behind the house. It will flood the boundary fence so I will need to discus it with my next door neighbor but in light of the drought and fires I think he will probably agree, especially if I pay for it and he gets access to several mega liters of water. I might even put some fish in it. Nothing better than a free feed now and then. :)

I do have plans for putting a water main around the house paddock, this would be great for fire suppression and also for irrigating the fruit trees and vegetable patch. I`m not going to try digging a half kilometer trench until we get some rain, the ground is just too hard at the moment.

Bob
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: glort on August 21, 2018, 01:43:20 AM

The suburban Fires are scary but also logical.  When one house goes up and the winds are strong, it's bound to set the next door place going. Always a worry with any house fire.

The pics are reminiscent of what I saw here maybe 20 Years ago in our Ash Wednesday Fires.
It's one thing to see a fire on TV, it's quite another to stand there and look it in the face. Was a life lesson for me I have and never will forget.
I remember standing on a road side watching a fire blow through a national park at night in the distance. Was at least 5KM away and I ( and others who stopped to watch/ be horrified) could feel the heat and hear the sound.  The speed was amazing as it blew through the treetops and then the ground fire followed.  We pretty much saw about 150o radius on the horizon burn in maybe 10 Min.

I still had media Connections then so went out and did some freelance pics.  Unbelievable to go to a suburban Neighborhoods several streets back from the bush and see the majority of homes wiped out but others still standing completely untouched with even the lawn still OK bar the ash  and char that had been deposited.  One of the pics I took of a car still sitting in a burnt out garage became bit of an Icon of that fire but still gives me an uneasy feeling remembering what was there.  I drove down a road I knew well very shortly after the fire had blown through and it was still well alight  but just burning the bigger material in small flames but it was a carpet of fire. 

I thought it would be an interesting setting to do a shoot with a model and have the black over her body and contrast the beauty and devastation.  Went back 2 weeks later and we both got burnt from ashes and coals still alight in or under the ground.  I remember kicking a stump  which broke and opened up a hollow I could have crawled inside that instantly started to glow then burst into a small but hot flame.  there was nothing around but ash but this had been burning for weeks. I'd heard of that but never really thought it possible till then when I saw it first hand.

I spose here on an acreage estate I could be safest of anyone.  None of the houses are near close enough to set another on fire, in suburbia they would have built a house between and still had wider than normal clearance.  Not enough tree density to jump  one to the other but it confirms my already decided position to knock them all down to ladder trimming height and not let them get away.


Bob, I understand what effectively is donating your fire pump to your Neighbor.  That's what you have done and you are not going to get it back so stop thinking you already have  one  and get yourself another.  It's a very good thing you have done but it's not good to leave yourself unprotected.
I bought one of these Cheapies as a second that actually had nothing wrong with it, just a broken wire that the companies Idiot " technicians" obviously couldn't find.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-WARTON-8HP-1-5-1-Petrol-High-Pressure-Water-Transfer-Pump-Fire-Irrigation/381802715543?epid=1991721810&hash=item58e5371997:g:Y~cAAOSw9Q9bdju2 (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-WARTON-8HP-1-5-1-Petrol-High-Pressure-Water-Transfer-Pump-Fire-Irrigation/381802715543?epid=1991721810&hash=item58e5371997:g:Y~cAAOSw9Q9bdju2)

I use it for watering the garden from My Biocycle pump out and have racked up a lot of hours on the thing over the last year.  It starts easily and throws down a ship load of water and can easily run 2x  3/4" hoses at full pressure same as 1. Yesterday I was watering the fruit trees up the back and put a 12mm nozzle on the hose and it was throwing water a good 10m  from a 3/4" hose and I didn't even have the thing dialed up.

 You could lay down a LOT of water with the thing with a 1" hose that's for sure.  I only have mine at fast idle most the time but when I want to get rid of weeds,  I crank it up and blow them clean out the dirt. A mate has one of these on his fire fighting trailer. We tested it with 2x 3/4 hoses and it was clear that with 2 people it would be easy to lay down enough water to protect a house.  My diesel one was slightly better but for 3 times the price you'd expect that but it wasn't even double as good let alone 3x.
I have about 8 of these engines on different things and they have all been annoyingly reliable.

For a cheap Pump I have to say I'm very pleasantly surprised with the thing.  Well worth you spending a couple of hundred on and getting my friend. I'm keeping an eye out for another one. I have 3x 36M proper fire hoses so have what I need bar a piece of 1.5" pickup pipe to set them up anyway.

The thing with the fire getting away from a back burn is not at all new.  One of the real big fires a few years back I think down south was caused by the same thing.  It's a tough call.  they can  check the conditions and do it all right and then the wind come up out the blue and away it goes.
Easy to scream incompetence but it's happened before and I'm pretty sure they are sensitive to it by now but you never know if someone did do something stupid anyway.  I think often the problem is all the do gooders scream and whine at the suggestion of burning anything and then you get 10 years build up and when it goes, there is no stopping it.

Guarantee all the do gooders that oppose the back burning are all latte sipping LGBTXYUKNW dole bludging uni dropout inner city dreadlocked 30 somethings that have never held a job in their lives nor been further than 10KM from the CBD.  They scream  loudly about things they have no clue of reality but want to stick to ridiculous trendy ideas. I see this so much living in the " city" ( just) and going to stay with my Dad in the country.

Anyway, stay Vigilant and invest in some pump and hose.  Tell the Mrs even if you hopefully never need it, you need the thing for health reasons to let you sleep better at night.  Works for me and I don't have the need you do nor have to justify it to anyone bar myself.
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: BruceM on August 21, 2018, 02:08:10 AM
Best wishes with your fire ordeal, Bob.  Arizona has had a dozen 50,000 acre fires in this White Mountains area that started as ''controlled burns'' in the last 30 years. Idiocy and incompetence are things you can count on, globally.

I'm in a swath of overgrazed high desert grassland (clumps with open dirt between) with very few junipers that extends up into the Petrified Forest.  No risk of brushfire here, the cattle even keep the sagebrush nibbled to the woody stub.  We do get plenty of smoke and combustion gasses. Big much promoted and federally funded program to do much more burning, calling it "natural".  It's much cheaper (not counting medical costs and excess deaths) than grazing goats.
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: ajaffa1 on August 21, 2018, 11:24:37 AM
Thanks again for the support. About an hour ago we had the firemen come to our home to tell us that the fire was out of control and coming our way. Worse than that the weather forecast says that the wind will pick up and blow the fire towards us. I think my wife and I will stand and fight the fire rather than running and hoping the fire service will save our home and belongings. I have very severe concerns for my neighbors property as they are on holiday in Japan. I would like to try to save their home but don`t know if I can handle two properties at the same time.

We have water and R A Lister power if the grid goes out. We also have a very clear area around our home so we should be OK. The next 24 hours will be very taxing, I have prepared cans of diesel with 10% gasoline with the intention of back burning the bush around us so it never gets to us. Last time this happened there were 70 foot high walls of flame but the property survived. Fingers crossed we can do the same again.

Bob

 
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: glort on August 21, 2018, 01:02:21 PM

I'll be thinking of you tonight mate and hoping all goes well for you.
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: lastlaugh on August 21, 2018, 03:00:12 PM
Damn, hope all goes well for you. Please update us when you can.

(I wasnt aware Australia had this problem with wildfires)
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: ajaffa1 on August 22, 2018, 09:42:39 AM
Thanks guys, we got through the last 24 hours OK. Fire is now licking at our boundary fence about half a kilometer away, a lot of smoke and ash falling but so far no falling embers.

Just counted another seven fire engines going up the road to fight the fire. Sadly the water bombing planes that have been flying all day don`t fly at night.

Got to admire the bravery and determination of the fire service that are willing to put themselves in harms way
to protect others, especially as 90% of them are volunteers and give their time and effort for free.

Just a quick photo over the roof of my home, stay safe,

Bob
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: dieselspanner on August 22, 2018, 12:26:12 PM
Hang on buddy ,but don't forget that it's all replaceable except for you and the Mrs.............

Stef

Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: ajaffa1 on August 22, 2018, 12:36:48 PM
Thanks Stef, the wind has died down and we are expecting the first rain in three months, coming in on Friday.
One day to get through and we should be OK.

We have the car loaded and pointed at the road, if we get the phone call we will be gone to a safe place. We will hose the house with all the water we have just before we leave.

Bob
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: lastlaugh on August 24, 2018, 08:56:39 PM
Bob, how are things going? Haven't heard from you. Hope all is well.
Title: Re: I GOT IT!!!
Post by: ajaffa1 on August 25, 2018, 12:01:19 AM
Hey Guys, Yes we are still OK. We are still sandwiched between two bush fires but we had 10 mm of rain overnight. Expecting another 10 mm today and maybe 20 mm on Sunday. Hope It`s enough to control the fires and give the fire fighters a break.

High winds predicted for next week which could cause big problems again. So far the fires have burned some 8000 hectares.

The crazy  thing is I am still having to chop firewood to keep us warm at night. :laugh:

Bob