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Lister Engines => Lister Market Place (things for Sale) => Topic started by: powerup on April 21, 2018, 08:10:11 PM
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Commissioned Willem Andree to make this for me for the end of the world in 2012 or thereabouts, ran it for maybe 6 hours. World didn't end so I'm selling it. My loss, your gain.
Custom AC and DC power generator system that runs on oil’s of all types.
The engine is single cylinder, 650 rpm, water cooled and weights 700Lbs.
Heavy duty 4 pole Marathon AC alternator with a permanent magnetic excitation generator built in that with keep the generator working regardless of how long the generator has been sitting. This alternator provides 120/220 volts AC for direct connection to home or business electrical panel.
A Heavy duty 24 volt DC alternator that is used for charging a 24 volt DC battery bank.
The engines cooling system is custom designed and built to work on convection circulation. Heat from the engine flows up into a small storage tank and then down through a radiator and back into the engine. Heat from the radiator flows through the Marathon alternator and discharged out the front. This keeps the alternator warm and dry plus keeps the alternator cool under heavy loads.
The electrical box with outlets is place directly in front of the radiator on a steel plate that also protects the radiator from damage.
The custom frame system has built in adjusters that allow the engine and alternator to be aligned for proper belt alignment. The lower base frame has a steel plate welded into the bottom that holds any oils or fuels that may leak out. The base frame is also a large skid plate that allows the system to be easily moved.
Put $21k into it. All reasonable offers welcome.
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So you are the guy.
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I ended up getting a propane generator that could be linked to my battery bank and turn on when the charge dropped to a certain point. I don't know much about generators, clearly. I'd like to find it a nice home. If I take a large loss, so be it.
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I ended up getting a propane generator that could be linked to my battery bank and turn on when the charge dropped to a certain point. I don't know much about generators, clearly. I'd like to find it a nice home. If I take a large loss, so be it.
Where are you located ?
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Centraila, Washington per the ebay ad.
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Put $21k into it.
Nooooo! :o
Seriously? $21K??
You really did think the world was going to end didn't you?
Sorry to say but your engine setup is not all that special. What you describe is pretty much what any serious DIY'er would do and they parts to do it are not THAT expensive. The cooling system you describe was " Custom" designed about 100 years ago and is used on the majority of engines of this type.
You may have been told it's custom or special but it's on probably 8-9 out of 10 engines like this and a lot of others. I suspect the most custom thing about it is how Wee Willy Weirdo has made it out to be some Miracle technology he came up with more than anything else.
The last thing you need is a warmed air source going through an alternator. The very fact they need to be cooled would demonstrate they generate plenty of heat of their won to keep them warm and dry and putting pre warmed air in is counter productive to keeping them cool in the first place!
I'd suggest you'd probably do better in selling it if you didn't mention it was a wee Willy Weirdo Special. His name amoungst the knowledgeable in the game is much more of a detriment than an asset put it that way. There are guys right here that would have built you a setup every bit as good and I really believe a lot better, and charged you a fraction of the price you unfortunately Paid.
The guy is NOT the guru he makes out. He's a whack job that makes ridicilous claims that no one in their rights minds would ever make and from what I know, has never justified them. Most likely because they are largely impossible.... Unless you believe in the tooth fairy and the man on the moon.
I hate to think what you are going to loose on this thing. Even in the state's where engines of this type seem to go for more than anywhere else, I can't see you getting $5K for the thing. Maybe you could see if willy will buy it back for more seeing he makes such a killing on the things in the first place.
I'm sure you will be able to offload it but You are going to take a HUGE loss on it that's for sure.
Maybe you'd be better off hanging on to it and just waiting for the next time the world is going to end? :(
Is this your engine and ad?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/lister-diesel-generator-/123061691699
Just an opinion
Mr Powerup probably made a couple of bad calls in buying that genset . . .
I have made worse. I'd be surprised if there were many here who could put up a hand and honestly say they had not done worse, either
I don't think there's any call to be mean to the guy?
Just my $0.02
Cheers, Mike
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Ok educate me, who the hell is Willem Andree?
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I'll leave answering that to our American colleagues
People could write a book . . .
Meantime, check out this older thread:
http://listerengine.com/smf/index.php?topic=6298.0
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Best bet, let it lie. Buyer beware and all that. Nothing to be gained opening old non-productive topics and stirring up further resentment on anyone's part. I say, if the guy wants to sell ice to the Eskimos, let him do it in peace. Now when specific details are needed, this Forum is a great place to sort out any required specific facts. Lots of wisdom here and lets try to keep it a nice place to be! My .02 worth.
dieselgman
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Yeah, I'm sure you're right Gary
I don't have the background that you American guys do on this; so I'm just inclined to see the guy as amusing. But I take your point. Thanks
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If I take a large loss, so be it.
Not trying to pound dirt in your wounds but prepare yourself if you are in a must sell situation. :'(
There have been several similar setups advertised and the price news isn't good. Example, A fellow in Pa. built up a similar unit for similar reasons with a 8HP Powerline branded engine, Marathon A/C head, CHP heat exchangers, Leese Neville D/C alternator. All mounted on I beam frame test run only. Complete set up, test run only started out at around 8K and two years later it was $3500. Somehow he found out about my little operation and he tried to sell it to me for $2500. Last I heard from him is was "come and get the %^& thing" for $1800.00 and i said OK,,if delivered to my place. We didn't make a deal. I dont know if it ever sold.
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So happened to be on Youtube this morning and low and behold under the suggested videos was this one from Willem's channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGObpTr3Uac I watched it for giggles and thought hey wait a minute! that shed in the background looks familiar? Went back and looked at the Ebay ad pictures,,, Hmmmmm??? whats going on here? LOL
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Also went and had a look.... My Word!!
What a lovely interesting design - Just love the way the alternator pulls the air through the radiator!! Looks especially handy for when you get those niggly little water leaks in the core, you can mist cool the alternator and get a second use for the water rather than letting it go to waste!!
Also so handy to have the water filler right above the electrical control panel, it forces you to fill and top up the water really carefully....
Hmmmmm.....NOT!
Ed
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I too thought it looked quite nice.
My Listeroid single has a digital voltage readout and other somewhat "high end" alterations. It's pretty neat.
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Gents,
Mr Andree and this forum have had a number of increasingly acrimonious run-ins in the past... none of them ended particularly well, and frankly none of them need to be repeated. By all means, go visit the old threads, and come to your own conclusions - then, as Mr Confucius might say - a wise man his own counsel he keeps. Or was it Yoda who said that? Forget, I do. Anyway, none of us need those old wounds re-opened.
Any further references to the gentleman in question will force me to delete posts, sorry. But feel free to link to past posts if you find something there you really wanted to say.... can't say fairer than that.
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Not a comment about the subject person... just a reference to engine life to put hours into perspective.
100,000 Hrs ...do you guys realize that 100,000 Hrs is 11 years of continuous 24/7 running. !
If the engine were to run 10 hours per day every day it would take 27 years until a rebuild is needed.
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Saw an old Cat diesel genset for sale a while back - made in the '50s. Owner described it as having been "boringly reliable in daily service for the last thirty years & anticipated the new owner would find it equally boringly reliable for another 30 . . ."
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Still a lot of money but truth of the matter is with component prices being what they are a person wishing to replicate it and hire all the work done would very close to the current BIN price in his own. That is assuming all new components, a correctd engine and my shop rates. Only going by what a person could read on Willems various websites I would guess that the engine would be a good one and a step or two above an engine that was not gone through.
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I don't really think there is anything wrong with the 100K hours claim and see no reason one of these machines couldn't do it.
Parts are readily available so with 3-4 full rebuilds, could do that and more. You probably just want a spare set of rings. or 5.
And Valves. and a few bores. and heads. And cranks would come in handy as well as a few sets of every other component on the machine.
:laugh:
As I recall, the WCA engine was reputed to go for 100k hours between oil changes, let alone services/rebuilds.... although that could be my memory getting flakey...
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Oil changes? Before he went silent, he was recommending using grease instead of oil in his engines. He had some great entertaining videos on his site for a while. Surprisingly transparent with his ideas, and he clearly wanted to help advance the state of the art. Needle bearings on the camshaft. Silicone coolant, mild steel bus bars tieing batteries together in the crawlspace beneath a daycare center. "These things sure get hot!" . . . I miss him.
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That explains it then..........
When I got my hands on my CS there was grease AND sand in the sump, must have been a transatlantic disciple!
Cheers Stef
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Grease, well maybe not so very fetched.........My old Enfield Bullet has it's gearbox filled completely with grease. There is even a grease nipple on it (for topping up?) It is an OEM thing, and seems to be OK after all these 40 some years.
I would let someone else be the beta tester on a 6/1 though. Glort or Ed, you two are pretty adventurous, are you willing?
Cheers,
Hugh
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Come on Glort....Where's your sense of adventure....
According to the "greenies" you are dooming your neighborhood to early destruction with those devilish burners of yours and that insane disregard for self preservation!!
A little lister 6/1 fragmenting quietly in the background (White hot flywheels spraying beautiful arcs of sparks into the sunset) while you direct a 3000 gigawatt flame onto the crankcase to "get the lube grease flowing".... A youtube spectacle of note!!
People would pay good money for that!!
Cheers
Ed
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mild steel bus bars tieing batteries together in the crawlspace beneath a daycare center. "These things sure get hot!" . . . I miss him.
LOL ;D
I must admit to being intrigued by his rambles, it was entertaining reading. Before I read that one I was constantly going back and forth between maybe he is a good guy whose main issue is he doesn't know how to express himself very well and that he was a clueless visionary wannabe ,,,, the buss bar deal cemented my opinion on that.
It however remains that reading the rambles was a good lesson in "I saw it on the internet, it must be true and correct",,, well isnt it ????? ??? ??
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Anybody notice the missing air filter??
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As an experiment, I'm going to replace the crankcase oil with flubber. That way when the piston goes down in the bore, it will rebound and be propelled upward by the enthusiastic material. This will mitigate fuel consumption and help to achieve the magic 100K hrs between refueling.
The twin cylinder engines will be filled with positive and negative flubber so the engine always runs in the same direction. Sinusoidal reverberation will further reduce the noise.
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Surely the same effect could be had by utilizing the magnetic sump drain plug, north pole up and a ferromagnetic inlet valve, north pole down in conjunction with a double (south) pole piston.
This would negate the possibility of 'Marzal valve overload'
Using copper piston rings in conjunction with a reverse hectically wound water jacket (in the form of an oscillating generator) to power a dry sump total loss lubricating system running on sump gunk refined into lube oil with the waste heat from the exhaust stack would also prolong the service intervals.
The oil, once passed through the crankcase and raised to a temperature sufficient to reduce it's viscosity, would be fed directly to the elevated, insulated, ready use day tank, the gravity feed to the injector pump obviating a lift pump and aiding bleeding of the system on the initial set up.
The excess power would generated be more than enough to condense water from the exhaust, in a low pressure evaporator powered by the vacuum occasioned in the induction stroke, for injection into the inlet tract to prevent overheating, and thus loss of magnetic properties in the inlet valve. The decarbonisation effect of water injection is a matter for debate and best left to another thread, should there be any interest.
With further development of the engine management system and the inexhaustible supply of WMO from the bottom end of South Africa, a self contained generator that dispenses with the need for a world wide community of old blokes in boiler suits (dungarees for those in the US of A) and cardigans with leather elbow patches, entirely, is now (almost) a reality!
Cheers Stef
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Hi guys, while we are on the stupid and impossible thread, what about electrolysis? We could set up an cathode and anode in the crankcase and re-plate the white metal bearings faster than they wear.
Bob
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It's down to $8000 now.
https://medford.craigslist.org/for/d/lister-diesel-engine-with/6605809155.html
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I see the OP, Whoever he is has tried a new tactic to sell his engine. I think he had it at 18K, then reduced it to 10 K, now ofter some months of no success he's tried another tactic..... RAISE the price back up to $21K.
Weirdly, that tactic sometimes works... I was once trying to sell a bit of old computer hardware. Wasn't having any bites trying to shift it at a low "must sell" price... so I hiked it up (doubled it IIRC). It sold within hours... Go figure.
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> when I checked today there wwas no activity. Thought the power was lost but was fine.
> Must have just neutralized the KOH I used as electrolyte
KOH will dissolve aluminum. Fast. Aluminum flake is added to KOH drain cleaner to heat things up and dissolve clots
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Price lowered from 21K to 8K,,,,
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Butch,
I saw that as well. Shoot, at that price I should buy 2 !
Look at the pic with the shadow......looks like the man to me .
Gary
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Your outa luck Gary, only one left at the going out of buisiness sale price :P