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Title: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: powerup on April 21, 2018, 08:10:11 PM
Commissioned Willem Andree to make this for me for the end of the world in 2012 or thereabouts, ran it for maybe 6 hours.  World didn't end so I'm selling it.  My loss, your gain.
Custom AC and DC power generator system that runs on oilís of all types.
The engine is single cylinder, 650 rpm, water cooled and weights 700Lbs.
Heavy duty 4 pole Marathon AC alternator with a permanent magnetic excitation generator built in that with keep the generator working regardless of how long the generator has been sitting. This alternator provides 120/220 volts AC for direct connection to home or business electrical panel.
A Heavy duty 24 volt DC alternator that is used for charging a 24 volt DC battery bank.
The engines cooling system is custom designed and built to work on convection circulation. Heat from the engine flows up into a small storage tank and then down through a radiator and back into the engine. Heat from the radiator flows through the Marathon alternator and discharged out the front. This keeps the alternator warm and dry plus keeps the alternator cool under heavy loads.
The electrical box with outlets is place directly in front of the radiator on a steel plate that also protects the radiator from damage.
The custom frame system has built in adjusters that allow the engine and alternator to be aligned for proper belt alignment. The lower base frame has a steel plate welded into the bottom that holds any oils or fuels that may leak out. The base frame is also a large skid plate that allows the system to be easily moved.
Put $21k into it.  All reasonable offers welcome.
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: glort on April 22, 2018, 12:51:56 AM
Put $21k into it. 

Nooooo!  :o
Seriously?  $21K??
You really did think the world was going to end didn't you?

Sorry to say but your engine setup is not all that special. What you describe is pretty much what any serious DIY'er would do and they parts to do it are not THAT expensive. The cooling system you describe was " Custom" designed about 100 years ago and is used on the majority of engines of this type.
You may have been told it's custom or special but it's on probably 8-9 out of 10 engines like this and a lot of others. I suspect the most custom thing about it is how Wee Willy Weirdo has made it out to be some Miracle technology he came up with more than anything else.

The last thing you need is a warmed air source going through an alternator. The very fact they need to be cooled would demonstrate they generate plenty of heat of their won to keep them warm and dry and putting pre warmed air in is counter productive to keeping them cool in the first place!

  I'd suggest you'd probably do better in selling it if you didn't mention it was a wee Willy Weirdo Special. His name amoungst the knowledgeable in the game is much more of a detriment than an asset put it that way. There are guys right here that would have built you a setup every bit as good and I really believe a lot better, and charged you a fraction of the price you unfortunately Paid.
 The guy is NOT the guru he makes out. He's a whack job that makes ridicilous claims that no one in their rights minds would ever make and from what I know, has never justified them. Most likely because they are largely impossible.... Unless you believe in the tooth fairy and the man on the moon.

I hate to think what you are going to loose on this thing. Even in the state's where engines of this type seem to go for more than anywhere else, I can't see you getting $5K for the thing. Maybe you could see if willy will buy it back for more seeing he makes such a killing on the things in the first place.

I'm sure you will be able to offload it but You are going to take a HUGE loss on it that's for sure.
Maybe you'd be better off hanging on to it and just waiting for the next time the world is going to end?   :(

Is this your engine and ad?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/lister-diesel-generator-/123061691699
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: 32 coupe on April 22, 2018, 02:24:29 AM

So you are the guy.

Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: powerup on April 22, 2018, 04:58:12 AM
I ended up getting a propane generator that could be linked to my battery bank and turn on when the charge dropped to a certain point.  I don't know much about generators, clearly.  I'd like to find it a nice home.  If I take a large loss, so be it.
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: mike90045 on April 22, 2018, 06:13:48 AM
I ended up getting a propane generator that could be linked to my battery bank and turn on when the charge dropped to a certain point.  I don't know much about generators, clearly.  I'd like to find it a nice home.  If I take a large loss, so be it.

Where are you located ?
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: Tom on April 22, 2018, 06:19:49 AM
Centraila, Washington per the ebay ad.
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: mikenash on April 26, 2018, 09:38:48 PM
Put $21k into it. 

Nooooo!  :o
Seriously?  $21K??
You really did think the world was going to end didn't you?

Sorry to say but your engine setup is not all that special. What you describe is pretty much what any serious DIY'er would do and they parts to do it are not THAT expensive. The cooling system you describe was " Custom" designed about 100 years ago and is used on the majority of engines of this type.
You may have been told it's custom or special but it's on probably 8-9 out of 10 engines like this and a lot of others. I suspect the most custom thing about it is how Wee Willy Weirdo has made it out to be some Miracle technology he came up with more than anything else.

The last thing you need is a warmed air source going through an alternator. The very fact they need to be cooled would demonstrate they generate plenty of heat of their won to keep them warm and dry and putting pre warmed air in is counter productive to keeping them cool in the first place!

  I'd suggest you'd probably do better in selling it if you didn't mention it was a wee Willy Weirdo Special. His name amoungst the knowledgeable in the game is much more of a detriment than an asset put it that way. There are guys right here that would have built you a setup every bit as good and I really believe a lot better, and charged you a fraction of the price you unfortunately Paid.
 The guy is NOT the guru he makes out. He's a whack job that makes ridicilous claims that no one in their rights minds would ever make and from what I know, has never justified them. Most likely because they are largely impossible.... Unless you believe in the tooth fairy and the man on the moon.

I hate to think what you are going to loose on this thing. Even in the state's where engines of this type seem to go for more than anywhere else, I can't see you getting $5K for the thing. Maybe you could see if willy will buy it back for more seeing he makes such a killing on the things in the first place.

I'm sure you will be able to offload it but You are going to take a HUGE loss on it that's for sure.
Maybe you'd be better off hanging on to it and just waiting for the next time the world is going to end?   :(

Is this your engine and ad?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/lister-diesel-generator-/123061691699

Just an opinion

Mr Powerup probably made a couple of bad calls in buying that genset . . .

I have made worse.  I'd be surprised if there were many here who could put up a hand  and honestly say they had not done worse, either

I don't think there's any call to be mean to the guy?

Just my $0.02

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: glort on April 26, 2018, 11:46:31 PM


There is a difference between mean and truthful and I don't see anything I said was " mean" anyway.
I can see where you have tried to take the opportunity to have another go however.  ::)
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: basewindow on April 27, 2018, 12:30:56 AM
Ok educate me, who the hell is Willem Andree?
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: mikenash on April 27, 2018, 12:44:27 AM

I'll leave answering that to our American colleagues

People could write a book . . .

Meantime, check out this older thread:

http://listerengine.com/smf/index.php?topic=6298.0
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: dieselgman on April 27, 2018, 01:52:53 AM
Best bet, let it lie. Buyer beware and all that. Nothing to be gained opening old non-productive topics and stirring up further resentment on anyone's part. I say, if the guy wants to sell ice to the Eskimos, let him do it in peace. Now when specific details are needed, this Forum is a great place to sort out any required specific facts. Lots of wisdom here and lets try to keep it a nice place to be! My .02 worth.

dieselgman
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: mikenash on April 27, 2018, 02:03:06 AM

Yeah, I'm sure you're right Gary

I don't have the background that you American guys do on this; so I'm just inclined to see the guy as amusing.  But I take your point.  Thanks
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: 38ac on April 27, 2018, 11:49:47 AM
If I take a large loss, so be it.

Not trying to pound dirt in your wounds but prepare yourself if you are in a must sell situation.  :'( 

 There have been several similar setups advertised and the price news isn't good.  Example, A fellow in Pa. built up a similar unit for similar reasons  with a 8HP Powerline branded engine, Marathon A/C head, CHP heat exchangers, Leese Neville D/C alternator. All  mounted on I beam frame test run only.  Complete set up, test run only started out at around 8K and two years later it was $3500. Somehow he found out about my little operation and he tried to sell it to me for $2500. Last I heard from him is was  "come and get the %^& thing" for $1800.00  and i said OK,,if delivered to my place. We didn't make a deal.  I dont know if it ever sold.
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: glort on April 27, 2018, 12:40:06 PM


Like a lot of things.
Just because you made a bad decision and paid way too much, don't expect the next person to compensate and repeat your mistake.
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: 38ac on May 02, 2018, 12:50:40 PM
So happened to be on Youtube this morning and low and behold under the suggested videos was this one from Willem's channel  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGObpTr3Uac  I watched it for giggles and thought hey wait a minute! that shed in the background looks familiar? Went back and looked at the Ebay ad pictures,,, Hmmmmm??? whats going on here? LOL   




Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: EdDee on May 02, 2018, 03:06:19 PM
Also went and had a look.... My Word!!

What a lovely interesting design - Just love the way the alternator pulls the air through the radiator!! Looks especially handy for when you get those niggly little water leaks in the core, you can mist cool the alternator and get a second use for the water rather than letting it go to waste!!

Also so handy to have the water filler right above the electrical control panel, it forces you to fill and top up the water really carefully....

Hmmmmm.....NOT!

Ed
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: glort on May 02, 2018, 03:58:08 PM

Yes, you can see the brilliant engineering principals and thought that went into these 100,000 Hr engines.   :laugh:

I got to admit though, I don't mind the colour scheme....  or most of it anyway.  The Gold rocker cover and the red pulley are laughable but the Bone and brown of the engine isn't bad at all.
Certainly for me leaves the Indian metallic green crap for dead.

Guess when you are paying 10-20X what something is actually worth, you want it to look pretty.
About all this setup has going for it to justify the price paid.
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: cujet on May 06, 2018, 02:14:15 PM
I too thought it looked quite nice.

My Listeroid single has a digital voltage readout and other somewhat "high end" alterations. It's pretty neat.
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: AdeV on May 09, 2018, 12:01:05 AM
Gents,

Mr Andree and this forum have had a number of increasingly acrimonious run-ins in the past... none of them ended particularly well, and frankly none of them need to be repeated. By all means, go visit the old threads, and come to your own conclusions - then, as Mr Confucius might say - a wise man his own counsel he keeps. Or was it Yoda who said that? Forget, I do.  Anyway, none of us need those old wounds re-opened.

Any further references to the gentleman in question will force me to delete posts, sorry. But feel free to link to past posts if you find something there you really wanted to say.... can't say fairer than that.
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: veggie on June 18, 2018, 01:01:13 AM
Not a comment about the subject person... just a reference to engine life to put hours into perspective.

100,000 Hrs ...do you guys realize that 100,000 Hrs is 11 years of continuous 24/7 running. !

If the engine were to run 10 hours per day every day it would take 27 years until a rebuild is needed.


Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: glort on June 18, 2018, 02:43:26 AM

I see the OP is still trying for a sale.
$10K now. Wasn't it 18-19 Originally?  Seems he's a bit more reluctant to take the big loss than he made out.

I was looking on some machinery websites last Night. Saw a Genny, 300kva, large Multicylinder engine on it with 65,000 Hours.
NEVER seen anything with that many hours on it before.

I don't really think there is anything wrong with the 100K hours claim and see no reason one of these machines couldn't do it.
Parts are readily available so with 3-4 full rebuilds, could do that and more.  You probably just want a spare set of rings. or 5.
And Valves. and a few bores. and heads. And cranks would come in handy as well as a few sets of every other component on the machine.

Given that, Can't see a problem getting one of those to last 100K hours at all!
That's the trouble these days, People are so skeptical of wildly exaggerated claims!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: mikenash on June 18, 2018, 07:05:11 AM
Saw an old Cat diesel genset for sale a while back - made in the '50s.  Owner described it as having been "boringly reliable in daily service for the last thirty years & anticipated the new owner would find it equally boringly reliable for another 30 . . ."
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: 38ac on June 18, 2018, 03:25:15 PM
Still a lot of money but truth of the matter is with component prices being what they are a person wishing to replicate it and hire all the work done would very close to the current BIN price in his own. That is assuming all new components, a correctd engine and my shop rates.  Only going by what a person could read on Willems various websites I would guess that the engine would be a good one and a step or two above an engine that was not gone through.
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: glort on June 18, 2018, 05:24:17 PM

For that sort of money, there are a lot of cheaper alternatives every bit if not more dependable and reliable.
For that sort of money you could forget about longevity and just buy a heap of other engines and replace/ rebuild them as needed and still be ahead.
I'd be looking at a Kubota , Yanmar or other industrial Diesels before I'd spend that sort of money on an old plugger no matter how well gone over it was.

Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: AdeV on June 18, 2018, 06:47:11 PM

I don't really think there is anything wrong with the 100K hours claim and see no reason one of these machines couldn't do it.
Parts are readily available so with 3-4 full rebuilds, could do that and more.  You probably just want a spare set of rings. or 5.
And Valves. and a few bores. and heads. And cranks would come in handy as well as a few sets of every other component on the machine.


 :laugh:

As I recall, the WCA engine was reputed to go for 100k hours between oil changes, let alone services/rebuilds.... although that could be my memory getting flakey...
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: Quinnf on June 19, 2018, 06:27:39 AM
Oil changes?  Before he went silent, he was recommending using grease instead of oil in his engines.  He had some great entertaining videos on his site for a while.  Surprisingly transparent with his ideas, and he clearly wanted to help advance the state of the art.  Needle bearings on the camshaft.  Silicone coolant, mild steel bus bars tieing batteries together in the crawlspace beneath a daycare center.  "These things sure get hot!" . . .    I miss him.

Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: glort on June 19, 2018, 07:27:05 AM

Grease in the sump??
That's a new one. Hope the engines were all TRB types at least.
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: dieselspanner on June 19, 2018, 12:00:08 PM
That explains it then..........

When I got my hands on my CS there was grease AND sand in the sump, must have been a transatlantic disciple!

Cheers Stef
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: Hugh Conway on June 20, 2018, 09:17:47 PM
Grease, well maybe not so very fetched.........My old Enfield Bullet has it's gearbox filled completely with grease. There is even a grease nipple on it (for topping up?) It is an OEM thing, and seems to be OK after all these 40 some years.

I would let someone else be the beta tester on a 6/1 though. Glort or Ed, you two are pretty adventurous, are you willing?

Cheers,
Hugh
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: glort on June 21, 2018, 12:55:08 AM

 Glort or Ed, you two are pretty adventurous, are you willing?

Nope!
Makes no sense to me.

Oil does more than lube.  It carries away excess heat and also combustion Products.  It's a very basic thing that you want oil to flow and cold oil is thick ( but still thinner than Grease) and this is seen as a less than great thing in getting it to go where you want.
To get grease to get into all the parts you want to lube you'd have to fill the crank case quite full.... which is going to cause a hell of a lot of drag with a crank  and con rob flying around for a start. Unless the crank case was full, how is the grease going to get up to the cam? If it is up at the cam, how much  drag is there going to be on the crank?



A gearbox would have a lot of rotating shafts with a bit of lateral movement as the gears engaged Different ratios.  Very different to the motion found in the sump of an engine.  Gearbox would also not have the products of combustion to deal with and in my experience,  Grease when exposed to high temps such as in the ring land areas would burn and coke up or turn to ash pretty quick giving no lube where you wanted it the most.

"Sludge" is grease like contamination of the oil pan. I know of no one that does not think it's a bad thing and manufacturers spend a lot of time and make a lot of claims their oils prevent or avoid it.  Purposefully filling the sump with something that closely resembles the properties of sludge is very counter productive I think.

Imagine trying to do a grease change. Scraping out a bucket full and replacing it with another bucket full. Sounds Cheap as well, not.
I'm sure there would be a claim that the grease lasts longer but it's irrelevant in my mind.  Oil does not wear out, it becomes contaminated.  The grease would do the same so by reason would require being changed just as often otherwise you are running the engine in the same by products that you would change the oil to get rid of. Grease in the sump would add a whole new definition to Ed's label of " Sump Gunk" that's for sure!

People hold a lot of beliefs with oil. Mine is  if the oil supersedes the grade specified, you are better off changing  it with supermarket brand oil  regularly or before time than using the best and most expensive oil and prolonging the changes.

There are a lot of vehicles now that run Tranny fluid in their ( manual) gearboxes because the thinner oil does a better job.  To me this makes sense.

Putting grease in the sump of an engine designed for oil is blatant and outright stupidity to me. I cannot think of a single benefit to doing that but as outlined, I can sure think of a lot of drawbacks.
I  would like to see a roid running with a sump full of grease and how long it ran and what the power output was.

I think both parameters would be unimpressively low.

Now, If the guy rigged up a 25L remote oil tank that circulated through a filter the size of a bucket, then I'd say that would be a benefit and that the engine would last some impressive hours.
Grease is going the other way to my thinking.

I only try things I THINK have merit, even if others don't.  I see no point in testing ideas that I am certain will cause destruction!   :laugh:
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: EdDee on June 21, 2018, 09:56:02 AM
Come on Glort....Where's your sense of adventure....

According to the "greenies" you are dooming your neighborhood to early destruction with those devilish burners of yours and that insane disregard for self preservation!!

A little lister 6/1 fragmenting quietly in the background (White hot flywheels spraying beautiful arcs of sparks into the sunset) while you direct a 3000 gigawatt flame onto the crankcase to "get the lube grease flowing".... A youtube spectacle of note!!

People would pay good money for that!!

Cheers
Ed
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: glort on June 21, 2018, 11:26:35 AM

Thanks Ed, You made me laugh.   :laugh:

I was wondering if there was more to the method like having to heat the grease before you started..... which would make it more like oil I suppose?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: 38ac on June 21, 2018, 12:50:26 PM
mild steel bus bars tieing batteries together in the crawlspace beneath a daycare center.  "These things sure get hot!" . . .    I miss him.

LOL ;D
 I must admit to being intrigued by his rambles, it was entertaining reading.  Before I read that one I was constantly going back and forth between maybe he is a good guy whose main issue is he doesn't know how to express himself very well and that he was a clueless visionary wannabe ,,,, the buss bar deal cemented my opinion on that.

 It however remains that reading the rambles was a good lesson in "I saw it on the internet, it must be true and correct",,, well isnt it ?????  ??? ??

Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: Jetpilot on July 05, 2018, 04:27:18 PM
Anybody notice the missing air filter??
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: rleonard on July 12, 2018, 05:02:33 AM
As an experiment, I'm going to replace the crankcase oil with flubber.  That way when the piston goes down in the bore, it will rebound and be propelled upward by the enthusiastic material.  This will mitigate fuel consumption and help to achieve the magic 100K hrs between refueling.

The twin cylinder engines will be filled with positive and negative flubber so the engine always runs in the same direction.  Sinusoidal reverberation will further reduce the noise.

Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: glort on July 12, 2018, 08:33:18 AM

Be careful to make sure you don't overload the horozontlal cardinal Grammy Spring.  It will play merry hell with the double reverse Marzal Coptic wane Valve if you do and those things are not easy to come by these days!

Your idea of filling the crankcase with Flubber reminds me of a guy on another forum some years ago. reckoned he was going to build an engine with a sealed crankcase so when the Cylinder fired and the piston was driven downwards the compression of the air would force it back up again and the fuel consumption would be drastically reduced and virtually Nil when in a vehicle and the car stopped at the lights or in traffic.

He was one of these out the box thinkers that wasn't bothered by menial things like laws of physics, scientific Principals, Logic and reality..... No matter how many people explained them to him.

 
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: dieselspanner on July 12, 2018, 12:10:49 PM
Surely the same effect could be had by utilizing the magnetic sump drain plug, north pole up and a ferromagnetic inlet valve, north pole down in conjunction with a double (south) pole piston.

This would negate the possibility of 'Marzal valve overload'

Using copper piston rings in conjunction with a reverse hectically wound water jacket (in the form of an oscillating generator) to power a dry sump total loss lubricating system running on sump gunk refined into lube oil with the waste heat from the exhaust stack would also prolong the service intervals.

The oil, once passed through the crankcase and raised to a temperature sufficient to reduce it's viscosity, would be fed directly to the elevated, insulated, ready use day tank, the gravity feed to the injector pump obviating a lift pump and aiding bleeding of the system on the initial set up.

The excess power would generated be more than enough to condense water from the exhaust, in a low pressure evaporator powered by the vacuum occasioned in the induction stroke, for injection into the inlet tract to prevent overheating, and thus loss of magnetic properties in the inlet valve. The decarbonisation effect of water injection is a matter for debate and best left to another thread, should there be any interest.

With further development of the engine management system and the inexhaustible supply of WMO from the bottom end of South Africa, a self contained generator that dispenses with the need for a world wide community of old blokes in boiler suits (dungarees for those in the US of A) and cardigans with leather elbow patches, entirely, is now (almost) a reality!

Cheers Stef
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: ajaffa1 on July 15, 2018, 09:38:13 AM
Hi guys, while we are on the stupid and impossible thread, what about electrolysis? We could set up an cathode and anode in the crankcase and re-plate the white metal bearings faster than they wear.

Bob
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: glort on July 15, 2018, 11:11:59 AM

Speaking of electrolysis.....
Got a couple of drums today to use to set up my Hydrogen gas frivolity to a decent and usable scale.
I have been using a couple of solar panels on the shed roof this week to make some gas in a bucket of water.  One set of electrodes stainless steel, the other Aluminum.  Ran for about 3-4 Days but when I checked today there wwas no activity. Thought the power was lost but was fine. Must have just neutralized the KOH I used as electrolyte.

I'll set up again with the drums and capture the gas ( or one side of it anyway) and see how it goes.

I did come up with a brilliant and cunning plan this could be automated so it produces gas on demand.  Have a floating reserve tank with the electrodes ( aluminium secured in the lower portion of the floating inverted drum.  As the gas is used, the drum sinks, the electrodes go into the electrolyte, gas is produced.  When the reserve is full, electrodes are lifted from water and production all but stops.

Of course this could be like a free energy setup.  Use the engine to turn a generator to make gas which you feed into the engine and no fuel consumption!
It's brilliant!  I'll start selling plans this week.

NO, I don't want to hear from you closed minded defeatist nay sayers going on about physics and scientific principals and things like friction and efficiency and all that.  If you put all this close minded thinking behind you and don't let thing like science and fact get in you way, anything is possible.
Just ask we willie weirdo.

I see the OP, Whoever he is has tried a new tactic to sell his engine. I think he had it at 18K, then reduced it to 10 K, now ofter some months of no success he's tried another tactic..... RAISE the price back up to $21K.

Yep, you see that all the time. Too expensive to get a buyer at $10K so you more than double the price and things will be sold in mere hours.  You read about it in the papers all the time. It's a great way to sell stuff...... Least it would be if it ever worked the way you'd want it to.

Unfortunatley that pesky reality thing gets in the way of these dreams yet again.  :'(
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: Boxelder on July 15, 2018, 05:03:51 PM
It's down to $8000 now.

https://medford.craigslist.org/for/d/lister-diesel-engine-with/6605809155.html
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: AdeV on July 15, 2018, 10:53:48 PM
I see the OP, Whoever he is has tried a new tactic to sell his engine. I think he had it at 18K, then reduced it to 10 K, now ofter some months of no success he's tried another tactic..... RAISE the price back up to $21K.

Weirdly, that tactic sometimes works... I was once trying to sell a bit of old computer hardware. Wasn't having any bites trying to shift it at a low "must sell" price... so I hiked it up (doubled it IIRC). It sold within hours... Go figure.
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: glort on July 15, 2018, 11:38:06 PM

I think the difference in your case Ade was that you were going from Cheap up, not from over priced already to more over priced still.
They are having an each way bet though. $8K on craigs list, $21K on fleabay.

I'll tell you another tactic that works too.....  Photograph your item on a clean, uncluttered background, not against piles of shit everywhere in your back yard.
Something I learnt when buying and selling cars.  Presentation matters and a lot of people will be put off if they see a seller looks like they live in a tip.

I used to like to go to places that had photographed their Vehicle on an overgrown unmowed lawn.  I knew very well a LOT of people were put off by that and the seller unless they had something special, would not have got much interest and I was in a good position to bargain with them. 
Often when my father has a car to sell, I take it down the road and stop in front of this big beautifully kept place with the perfect lawn and fountains and do the pics so it looks like it's in their front yard.
Get the odd question about that but the people DO show up.
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: mike90045 on July 16, 2018, 03:40:42 AM
>  when I checked today there wwas no activity. Thought the power was lost but was fine.
>   Must have just neutralized the KOH I used as electrolyte

KOH will dissolve aluminum. Fast.  Aluminum flake is added to KOH drain cleaner to heat things up and dissolve clots
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: glort on July 16, 2018, 07:42:24 AM

The aluminium I used as electrodes look untouched. That's why I think the electrolyte ran out of Puff.
I could use salt but I read that makes Chlorine gas. Having a by product of Chlorine wouldn't be bad though!

I might get to that again tomorrow.  Main thing is what to use and how to locate the electrode that will give off the oxygen around the inside of the large drum so the oxygen escapes as I don't want to make Boom! gas just Hydrogen.

I think the bigger the plate the more oxygen will be produced. I picked up a bunch of steel plates on the weekend so I guess I could give a couple of them a try in place of the aluminium.
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: 38ac on August 09, 2018, 06:18:32 PM
Price lowered from 21K to 8K,,,,
Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: 32 coupe on August 09, 2018, 09:13:34 PM

Butch,
I saw that as well. Shoot, at that price I should buy 2 !

Look at the pic with the shadow......looks like the man to me .


Gary






Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: 38ac on August 10, 2018, 01:53:44 AM
Your outa luck Gary, only one left at the going out of buisiness sale price :P


Title: Re: Willem Andree custom lister engine and generator for sale
Post by: glort on August 10, 2018, 01:54:04 AM
Op said All reasonable offers considered.
I'll bet my backside he's knocked back a ton of reasonable offers and is sticking to his fantasy prices.  Anyone that has been trying to sell something that long and not realised they are asking too much is a twit.

Looking at the fleabay Ad,  the price has been changed 7 times and the description 9 times.
Maybe should make the price $2K which is what the thing is worth if he actually wants to get rid of it.