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Title: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: davesiegler on December 29, 2017, 05:17:09 PM
so glad i put the glowplug in last night after i shut it down for the nite. fired on the first compression stroke this morning and that was that.
Overall my new clone has been running well since i first fired it up.
Thank you to all of you who spent time documenting your experience. It has made my experience easier.
 :laugh:
Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: cujet on December 31, 2017, 02:40:50 AM
It was 72 degrees here in South Florida today. Lister 6/1 cranked right up. Where are you located?
Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: broncodriver99 on December 31, 2017, 07:01:35 AM
That's pretty darn chilly. :o Supposed to be down in the low teens to single digits Fahrenheit here this week.
Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: broncodriver99 on December 31, 2017, 07:07:28 AM
Mind you, i'm not silly/ brave enough to live anywhere it gets THAT cold!     :laugh:

Where is your sense of adventure? There is nothing like wearing a set of long johns, denim pants, two coats, a hat and a hoodie, and cussing the brisk winter wind. You get used to it. It is downright warm around here compared to what the Canadian fellas put up with in the Winter.
Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: veggie on January 01, 2018, 01:04:10 AM

Well....up here in Western Canada it is -30C today.

Very cold.

Veggie
Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: vdubnut62 on January 01, 2018, 03:09:50 AM

Well....up here in Western Canada it is -30C today.

Very cold.

Veggie

You Sir, are a glutton for punishment.
 Here in beautiful Tennessee, USA it's a balmy 15 degrees F on New Year's Eve. :o
Ron.
Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: dieselgman on January 01, 2018, 04:55:40 AM
5 below zero in Kansas... as cold as it has been in many years here.

dieselgman
Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: 38ac on January 01, 2018, 12:48:39 PM
When I woke up in the middle of the night  it was -10. At 6 AM it was back up to 0. Been several years since we have seen -10 but at least the wind isn't blowing. I did brave the cold long enough to get my CS twin crankcase sandblasted.
Glad I wasn't trying to hand start a CS, LOL.
Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: LowGear on January 01, 2018, 06:03:11 PM
I awoke to a new year and the room was down into the 60s this morning.  Yikes!  Where are my socks?  Ole Sol has peaked over the mountain so that crazy Arctic air will soon be chased away into the mid 70s where man was meant to live, work and enjoy life.  If you're going to visit Kona I'd make it in January or February.

Aloha,

Casey
Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: davesiegler on January 02, 2018, 05:36:10 PM
Im in the western foothills of maine.
It seems like alot of the country has seen some cool air this year.
Before the glow plug came in i was sticking a blow torch down the intake elbow for a couple minute with  the intake valve open. that worked but not as well as the glow plug. Im glad for the electric starter as well.
Heres a quick question? will the injection pump be harmed or draw air into the system if i use a low side (suction side) solenoid valve to shut it down?
Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: dieselgman on January 02, 2018, 06:38:58 PM
No harm for the pump, although it might make the next startup a bit more difficult. Much better to control the pump rack with your shutdown signal.
Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: BruceM on January 02, 2018, 06:53:16 PM
I tried the solenoid valve in the intake line;  it does not work reliably as a shut off with the commonly available solenoids...there is just enough leakage  with suction at the pump end to keep a CS at slow idle.  If you must go this route- MAKE SURE the solenoid valve is designed to seal with negative pressure.  Most do NOT.

Closing the rack is a faster and more reliable method...but the electric (motorized) actuators with >=10 lbs of force aren't cheap.  I ended up using a cheap single action, spring return pneumatic actuators for rack closer and exhaust valve lifter (1 each but driving by the same air solenoid valve)  since my CS is also my air compressor.







Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: davesiegler on January 02, 2018, 09:15:08 PM
my intention for the low side fuel shutoff was to be a secondary method of shutdown. in case the rack method failed the controller would have a secondary method to shut it down.  I have a propane fuel shutoff from a previous generator and plumbed the right way suction would seat the pintle even more firmly i think.
Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: dieselgman on January 02, 2018, 11:04:50 PM
I have seen the proposed method... it will work. The thing is, after a fault or shutdown command there will be a long time where the engine continues to run while it consumes the fuel in the pump. That could be up to several minutes and not provide the level of protection that is usually desired.

dieselgman
Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: BruceM on January 02, 2018, 11:55:50 PM
Good point, Gary.  The solenoid needs to be right next to the pump to have an acceptable run time after closing, and the valve must be able to handle very high suction.
Otherwise, it will be a very long wait as the fuel in the supply hoses is extracted under near vacuum- shrinking the ID of the supply tubing, etc. 

I first convinced myself it could work via pinching off the supply hose with pliers 3 inches from the pump, but then found the solenoid valve located there didn't close it hard enough against that wicked suction.
Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: broncodriver99 on January 03, 2018, 12:17:42 AM
Have you guys looked into electric ball valves? I am changing a lot of the solenoids in the equipment I work on over to them where debris tolerance is necessary and as a plus no more leaky diaphragm issues.
Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: BruceM on January 03, 2018, 12:49:10 AM
Good idea, bronco. I haven't seen the China built motorized ball valves with solenoid type action (super cap for auto close when power removed) for very small diameter lines, but I have used them for water and compressed air and have been pretty happy with them except for a some QC type issues with leakers and electronics failures.  On my neighbor's propane 8/1 conversion we used them for propane, compressed air unloader, and several for various compressed air lines. 

The prices are so good I use them a lot; even 12 years ago motorized ball valves started at $350. 
Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: broncodriver99 on January 03, 2018, 01:10:24 AM
I just had a look on ebay. The smaller sizes seem to have some availability now. I found low voltage 1/4" and low and line voltage 3/8". The 3/8" valve has the capacitor close function you mentioned. Maybe worth a look. The 3/8" is also rated for fuel.
Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: BruceM on January 03, 2018, 03:52:08 AM
Sweet.  Thanks for checking for the small ones, Bronco.  I'll keep those smaller ones in mind.  The capacitor type with operation like a solenoid draw very little 12V current when fully open (6 ma) and only a peak of just 100ma of 12V when motoring open. Very handy!

For reference, small solenoid valves will draw 1 amp or more the whole time they are energized.  I'm off grid so I do a lot of low power designs and have learned to squeeze every milliamp (ma).

Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: dieselgman on January 03, 2018, 04:37:16 AM
Bruce, You would have been good at spacecraft engineering... think Apollo 13.  ;D

dieselgman
Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: davesiegler on January 03, 2018, 05:51:53 PM
i like the motorized ball valves and the price is suprisingly low. i likely will try the pintle style valve i have and try it since it will only take a few minutes to install it and try it now that i know i wont harm anything.  thanks for the input everyone.
Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: broncodriver99 on January 07, 2018, 07:29:03 AM
2* F here currently with a breeze. Thank goodness I don't have to start my disassembled 6/1. Brrrr.
Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: davesiegler on January 10, 2018, 03:46:04 PM
my northern blood would boil glort...ha! this time of year were doing good to get 20 kwh a day.
Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: mactoollover2005 on January 12, 2018, 07:49:12 PM
-39c here in northern alberta Ca. -40 c is the same as -40F I do believe,, very brrr

Derek
Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: BruceM on January 12, 2018, 08:38:32 PM
I grew up outside Watertown NY and -27F was the magic number for automatic school closings.  We had 2 weeks longer school year to compensate for the lost cold days in late January.  Being a young fool, I'd don a chamais cloth face mask and go snowmobiling or skiing on those days.

-40F/C is another thing altogether...that's dangerous cold!  Do people still drive to work and such in those temperatures?
Title: Re: -19 degrees. glad the glowplug came in yesterday
Post by: dieselgman on January 12, 2018, 11:39:32 PM
We do in Alaska, but at those temps the travel gets dangerous. Vehicles tend to break down, moisture from exhaust hangs in the air as ice-fog, soon you cannot see across the street. I prefer a little wind and occasional cold weather in Kansas to the long deep freeze in Alaska.

dieselgman